He he. This is a good one. So many lies by Bivar presented as facts.
… But as Manx pointed out, if you don’t read the tafseer and try to understand the events that happened after the Treaty of Hudaibiya, Conquest of Mecca, Battles of Hunain, Ta’if, Tabuk, you’ll never be able to understand the meaning of these verses.
Rodrigo Bivar:
I will discuss this with you and prove that Surah 9 was revealed without the context of war. According to the Quran itself, Surah 9 was revealed after Muhammad had conquered Mecca and made himself the ruler of Arabia. There would be no more major battles between Arabs in Arabia for centuries.
First lie. After the bloodless conquest of Mecca, things were NOT all fine and dandy. There were wars/battles after that.
- Ghazwah Hunain
- Ghazwah Ta’if
- Ghazwah Tabuk
Ghazwah means battle. All these happened AFTER the conequest of Mecca. So there goes your first lie …
Rodrigo Bivar:
The last battle, Hunain, was named in Surah 9:25 - thus allowing us to date this Surah to a high degree of accuracy.
Second Lie. As mentioned above, Battle of Hunain wasn’t the last.
Rodrigo Bivar:
Because Surah 9 was revealed after Muhammad had won his war against the Arabian Arabs and forced Islam on the defeated, don’t believe this Islamist apologetic that the context of Surah 9 was the war between Muhammad and the Meccans.
Chronologically, verses 9: 1-29 were revealed during the month of Shawwal, A.H. 9, after Prophet returned from the Battle of Tabuk. Again, it wasn’t exactly peace time when these verses were revealed.
Though the bloodless conquest of Mecca marked the total dominance of the Islamic State over the Arabian Peninsula, threat to this authority came from within. An internal one in the shape of the polytheists who had been allowed to continue worshipping their idols and performing their naked pilgrimage to the Sacred House of Allah due to the agreement that the Messenger of Allah had made with them (Treaty of Hudaibiya). The agreement stated that the people were not to be forbidden from visiting the Sacred House, nor were they to be harmed during the sacred months.
Not only that, these polytheists pretended to be friendly and decent when the Prophet was around, but the moment Muslims would step out for pilgrimage or expedition, they would collude with enemies to overthrow the authority of Muslims, which was worse than a frontal attack by the enemies.
Verse 9:9 explains it all :
"How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked. "
Essentially these verses were asking Muslims to “Be True to the True”. If the Pagans repeatedly break their treaties, denounce the treaties, give them time either to repent or to prepare for the just punishments of their treachery. But if one of them seek asylum, give it; let him hear the Word of God and escort him to security.
Rodrigo Bivar:
Over to you, Beconvinced. Let’s see how you wiggle out of this one.
There’s nothing to wiggle out of. And we aren’t “Islamist apologetics”, for there’s nothing to apologize with reference to Quranic verses. If you don’t read them with tafseer and hadith, then that’s your problem.
