Does Islam accept religious toleration?

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DeExupery:
My dear brother in Jesus Manx,
I cannot help but learning from you. So what is your conclusion about this thread? Is Islam tolerant or not?
Praise to Jesus that He sends a very wise man like you among us.
Fox
Fox… allah knows best…

Gottle of Geer… allah also knows best what happen with documentation filtering that is done in SA. Its all for the sake of their own safety. So all of us here should and have to understand. Do not questioning if this is tolerant or no.
 
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cute2904:
Fox… allah knows best…

Gottle of Geer… allah also knows best what happen with documentation filtering that is done in SA. Its all for the sake of their own safety. So all of us here should and have to understand. Do not questioning if this is tolerant or no.

How does letting Arab Catholics read the site of (say) al-bushra.org/ in any way endanger Saudi Arabia ? Unlike some sites one might name, it does not promote acts of violence.​

So I do question it, very much. Because if we who have liberty to follow our religion don’t stand up for those who are not allowed to, we will (quite rightly) lose either our own liberty or our faith or both. ##
 
Gottle of Geer:
So I do question it, very much. Because if we who have liberty to follow our religion don’t stand up for those who are not allowed to, we will (quite rightly) lose either our own liberty or our faith or both. ##
Does any muslim care to explain?.. :confused:
 
Gottle of Geer said:
## How does letting Arab Catholics read the site of (say) al-bushra.org/ in any way endanger Saudi Arabia ? Unlike some sites one might name, it does not promote acts of violence.

So I do question it, very much. Because if we who have liberty to follow our religion don’t stand up for those who are not allowed to, we will (quite rightly) lose either our own liberty or our faith or both. ##

al-bushra.org/ is blocked in Saudi Arabia.

In Christ,
selvaraj
 
the biggest excuse for peaceful muslims is that terrorists like binladen are “miss-interpreting” the koran. Now osama and many radical muslims know the koran off by heart, so i think the peaceful ones should look at the way there “interpreting” the koran. if the koran was written properly and written in a more suitable language (instead of ancient arabic) then maybe we wouldnt have this interpretation problem.
 
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maria_james:
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No, he’s not a fake. What he says makes a lot of sense and he knows what he’s talking about. He sees Islam as it really is exposes its myths and lies.
Statistics by Rober Pape were already presented to you. But you dismissed it.
Didn’t see anything on the link.
What more do you want?. These suicide bombings by Muslims started happening in the recent past. And that has to do with the political turmoil that exists in those countries. BTW, have you see sovereign Muslim nations invading sovereign Christian nations in the recent past?.
Isn’t that what Muslims in France and Denmark are doing right now?Taking over areas in those countries for themselves little by little until they’re a majority and can then take over?:rolleyes:
 
Ali sina is a propogandist. Apparantly you dislike propoganda so I wonder how you can believe him.
 
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exoflare:
Matthew 7:6
Nope. That doesn’t explain the context of those intolerant verses in Holy Bible.
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cute2904:
Does any muslim care to explain?.. :confused:
First, you haven’t explained the context of ANY of the Biblical verses I had posted. Now you expect Muslims to keep explaining things to you ? … :confused:
Gottle of Geer:

To find out what can’t be seen on the Net by users of the Web in Saudi Arabia, read some Documentation of Internet Filtering in Saudi Arabia. The question of censorship is not irrelevant to that of toleration.​

Did you conveniently ignore this link, next to the one you posted ? … That shows that internet filtering happens in China as well …

cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/

So you see it is NOT exactly religion based. It is the policy of the countries involved, Capiche ?
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DeExupery:
Are you sure that this is proven? Do you have any non islamic history source to approve that? No? If no, why? was there any non muslim or any jews after Islam dominate Arabia? If there were moslems only, why?
Jews did live in Arabia along with the Prophet and had their own synagogues. Now, if none of them were historians or none of their works survived to this day, that’s their problem …
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DeExupery:
But since you make such a very long explanation, and many connected to Surah that I am lazy to read again
This post of yours kind of sums up the things … in fact, it shows the general attitude at trying to understand a religion / view different from that of one’s own … and that’s sad …

If you are really lazy to read the explanations, then there’s nothing anyone can do about it …
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Booklover:
No, he’s not a fake. What he says makes a lot of sense and he knows what he’s talking about. He sees Islam as it really is exposes its myths and lies.
Opnions, opinions. They are Not facts, my friend. He was challenged so many times to debate in front of a gathering of atleast 10,000 people and everytime he runs away for fear of being defeated …

Atleast the Christian Evangelists had the courage and decency to debate with Deedat … And some of them did debate well … but sina just wants to hide behind the “net” and make evil posts/comments …
 
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Booklover:
Didn’t see anything on the link.
Here it is, again, for you :

libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=117366

Excerpt:

Robert Pape in his book, “Dying to Win - The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism,” shows that between 1982 and 1986, **71 percent of ** the Lebanese **suicide attackers were Christians ** and 21 percent Communists/Socialists. Pape states, "Of the 384 attackers for whom we have data, 166 or 43 percent were religious, while 218 or 57 percent were secular. Suicide terrorism is not overwhelmingly a religious phenomenon." It is a response to occupation.
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Booklover:
Isn’t that what Muslims in France and Denmark are doing right now?Taking over areas in those countries for themselves little by little until they’re a majority and can then take over?:rolleyes:
About riots in France, read this :

lyingmediabastards.com/2005/11/or-does-it-explode

Excerpt:

“People are just sick and tired of the waves of racist contempt radiated by the police and the government in particular, employers and landlords, the media, and white French people in general. So yes of course people want jobs, decent jobs, decent housing. But this issue of respect is really important too.”

And another one form **Christian Science Monitor ** :

csmonitor.com/2005/1104/p06s02-woeu.html

Excerpt:

“Frankly I am not surprised by what is happening,” says Dounia Bouzar, an expert on French-born Muslims who has worked in the mostly **black and North African districts ** on the outskirts of Paris. “Given the way these kids live, I wonder why it doesn’t happen more often.”

The outburst of violence, pitting youths throwing stones and Molotov cocktails against riot police, erupted after two teenagers in the nearby suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois - apparently hiding from the police - died by electrocution.

That incident, says social worker Michèle Lereste, “crystallized the hatred” that some of the most disaffected and hopeless young men living in what the government calls “sensitive urban zones” feel toward authority.

These riots weren’t religion based … they were race & poverty based …
 
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melbourne_guy:
the biggest excuse for peaceful muslims is that terrorists like binladen are “miss-interpreting” the koran. Now osama and many radical muslims know the koran off by heart, so i think the peaceful ones should look at the way there “interpreting” the koran. if the koran was written properly and written in a more suitable language (instead of ancient arabic) then maybe we wouldnt have this interpretation problem.
if usaamah bin laadin and those other extremists like him would take islamic knowledge from its rightful sources instead of following their whims and desires and taking from people who are in reality ignorant of the religion and its teachings, then we wouldn’t have the problems we have now.

and f.y.i., memorising the Quran’s verses doesn’t necessitate that you understand them properly - or even understand the language for that matter. i personally know many muslims who have memorised the entire Quran from childhood, can tell you which verse belongs in which chapter just from listening to a portion of a verse in arabic, and don’t understand a word of the language itself.
 
Dear beautiful Maria,
Jews did live in Arabia along with the Prophet and had their own synagogues. Now, if none of them were historians or none of their works survived to this day, that’s their problem …
If none of them write anything or live in that area anymore, that’s their problem. Oh, I am sure you are denying your beautiful heart…which cries because of the injustice of the eradication of all the Jews (especially Bani Quraiza).
This post of yours kind of sums up the things … in fact, it shows the general attitude at trying to understand a religion / view different from that of one’s own … and that’s sad …
Should reading books make us close ourselves to the whisper of heart. Our heart knows everything, justice, injustice, tolerance intolerance…
Your beautiful heart, it waits for you to open up…to listen to the heart and see things as they are, not as what they are written, my darling beautiful Maria.

Fox
 
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DeExupery:
Should reading books make us close ourselves to the whisper of heart. Our heart knows everything, justice, injustice, tolerance intolerance…
Your beautiful heart, it waits for you to open up…to listen to the heart and see things as they are, not as what they are written, my darling beautiful Maria.
great excuse for your laziness to read the stuff said above. :rolleyes:
 
Cyber Knight said:
The funniest thing about Muslim website is that they try to fool the visitors by making the ‘almost’ same domain like their opponents.
faithfreedom.org —> faithfreedom.com
answering-islam.org —> answering-islam.com or answering-christianity.
really have no idea if they are deficient in intelligent… they most probably made in women. :rotfl:

I don’t see anything wrong with that. It could be a wise strategy to easily attrack others to read their replies. One of man’s weakness is to find fault from others before checking himself. We will not go anywhere if we keep on doing this.
 
Dear Rasheed,
great excuse for your laziness to read the stuff said above.
Ad hominem will not make me less human than someone who support death to apostates. 🙂

And if you want me to read, please make me want to read it. Make it reader friendly.

Fox

P.S. Dear beautiful Maria, don’t listen to what our brother Gonzales has said…
And after reading www.faithfreedom.org wow, the site is bombastic. Thanks for reference, my beautiful Maria…
 
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DeExupery:
Should reading books make us close ourselves to the whisper of heart. Our heart knows everything, justice, injustice, tolerance intolerance…

Your beautiful heart, it waits for you to open up…to listen to the heart and see things as they are, not as what they are written, my darling beautiful Maria.
The All-Merciful God put in our hearts “some degree” of what is right or wrong. That’s why even atheist have a sense of morality or decency. However, our heart can be EASILY misled by the devil who uses our whims and desires. The All-knowing God knows this for sure that’s why He sent many books and Prophets to complete the guidance, enhance our hearts and eventually lead us to do what is “really” pleasing to God.
 
Dear brother in Jesus Manx,

I am sure you are a very devout Catholic…
And I am really intoxicated by your wise answers all the way. If I may know, what Church do you go every sunday? I don’t go to the Church usually, but if I can be 80% like you why not?

Fox

P.S.
but of course you are not saying that if a book we read says to “kill and smite the neck of unbeliever”, then our hearts say,“It’s wrong…they are human just like us…” we need to follow the book, aren’t you?
 
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DeExupery:
Ad hominem will not make me less human than someone who support death to apostates. 🙂
ha! cry personal attack when you yourself said that you were too lazy to read what was posted, and then make a personal attack of your own implying that i’m inhumane for supporting divine legislation (which btw, finds support in your own scriptures!!!)??? 👍
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DeExupery:
And if you want me to read, please make me want to read it. Make it reader friendly.
yet another nice excuse to relieve yourself of the need to go through what’s been posted… :clapping:
 
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maria_james:
“It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes, which are actually a diversion tactic. Muslims are probably not to blame for bringing down the World Trade Center buildings after all.”
Hihihihi… Acheh tsunami was the work of US and Israel too 😃

Palestinian suicide bombings are actually Zionist ploy! 😃

“Oooooohhhhh Yessssss Islam is a tolerant religion” 😃
r.gonzalez:
this statement alone proves just how ignorant some people are with respect to islam, its revealed book and the history behind them both.
Sorry, much as I would like to believe you, what we see happening as a direct interpretation and application of those HATE VERSES, shows the exact opposite! Come on man, these guys are saying “Allahoooo Akhbarrrrrrrr!” and later their command center would issue statments saying “We are responsible!” Don’t tell me I am ignorant about Islam, it’s them that is the real problem ! I am the guy who says, " **Bingo! so that’s why they do it! ** " like do a lot of other kuffar!

Don’t blame me, blame them who demonstrate “real Islam”
r.gonzalez:
it’s no real surprise how the ones who know the least about islam, the Quran and the prophet who brought them both to mankind are often the most hateful and vocal against them. as the saying goes, “the empty vessels make the most noise.”
Don’t you ever forget, your prophet and his allaha did worst then us kuffars! They issue hate command and carried them out physically, then by the prophet and his mercenaries and now by his faithfuls. Empty vessels, in this case is not dangerous, the most they do is just to make noise.
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manx:
manx

Hold on Ching. I am just wondering why you made this conclusion. Did you really even try to check if the average Muslims did or say anything against the terrorists? Allow me to share the following facts:
  1. American Muslim groups issued what was perhaps the first condemnation of the 9/11 attacks. The Council on American-Islamic Relations also published a full-page advertisement condemning the attacks.
  2. Muslims have consistently condemned suicide bombings in the Middle East, attacks on the London transportation system, the bombing of hotels in Jordan, and many similar outrages.
3)Muslim scholars recently … blah-blah.
Manx, when people in my office passed the hat around to collect donation for disaster victims in Aceh, New Orleans, Pakistan, etc. there are bound to be oppositions. When China planned to build the 3-gorges dam, even if it means something good, there are bound to be oppositions.

These people are not doing enough because the “pro” is stronger than the “cons”
r.gonzalez:
hundreds? that’s only three you’ve listed - all of which are upon deviant understandings and beliefs contrary to the teachings of islam. jam’iyyah al-islamiyyah is a group influenced by the teachings of abul-a’laa al-mawdoodee, whose teachings influenced sayyid qutb, whose teachings influenced the likes of al-qaa’idah and ikhwaan al-muslimoon (the islamic brotherhood). all these groups are upon the understanding of the deviant sect that appeared during the end of the time of prophet muhammad’s companions, the khawaarij (the kharijites).
Thak you! Yes there are, and they are Muslims drawing from the Quran. I admire your sincerity.
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maria_james:
He he. This is a good one. So many lies by Bivar presented as facts. … But as Manx pointed out, if you don’t read the tafseer and try to understand the events that happened after the Treaty of Hudaibiya, Conquest of Mecca, Battles of Hunain, Ta’if, Tabuk, you’ll never be able to understand the meaning of these verses.
Hihihih…They are clear message for mankind remember? 😃
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maria_james:
  1. In Surat Al-Kafirun (109). It says what means:
{Say [O Muhammad]: “O ye that reject faith (al-Kafirun)! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship.”}

But this surah is addressing Prophet Muhammad and therefore must be understood in its historical context. Allah is asking Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to address a group of leaders from Makkah who offered him the following deal: That they all — including Muhammad — worship Allah for one year and then they all worship the idols for the next year, and so on. That is why Allah asked him to address them in this term “rejecters of faith” and to refuse to accept this kind of deal.
I lost count of how many muslims brag about that one verse which was addressed to Meccans at the time of the prophet! Obviously they were wrong, there is no such thing now, except:
Fight until the religion is only Islam
 
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Shadowcry:
Ali sina is a propogandist. Apparantly you dislike propoganda so I wonder how you can believe him.
Oh yea I heard on his site he was used and funded by the **TSZOEI (Top Secret Zionist Organization for Eradication of Islam) :rotfl: **
 
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