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MartinJordan
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Ok, so when Muslimās say Almighty God. This is a false God?
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Ok, so when Muslimās say Almighty God. This is a false God?
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Indifferently
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The thing about Islam is, we know their god is false because we know God spake by the prophets, and Mohammed was not a prophet. You cannot pick and choose which persons you worship. Muslims do not call God āFatherā either. Their god has nothing to do with God the Holy Trinity, and they will tell you that Allah is neither begotten nor begetting.You have point! The 2nd para I did not read carefully.Thanks for the heads up
I donāt agree with him then.
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MartinJordan
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Yes, I agree to a point. The problem is Muslims believe in their prophet. But I donāt doubt many Muslims are trying to follow God sincerely, despite common objections to the Trinitarian God (which they misunderstand) no thanks to their prophet.
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Mount_Carmel
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Yes, that is pretty much what I said - Muhammadās life [supposedly] straddled the 6th and 7th Centuriesā¦
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Saint_Castulus
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Forgive me for being somewhat lacking in my theological education as I am not a priest or theology expert I have been Catholic for about ten years,seems to me Muslims and Orthodox Christians believe in God/Allah however Muslims do not accept Jesus Christ as being the son of Godā¦holy trinity etc.So this is not something new.I respect Muslims and
I find them to be closer to God than so many others that do not participate at all in any organized religion that worships the āGodā of Hebrews, Muslims or Christians.So many these days are hedonists and truly are spiritually bankrupt, how very sad
I have been Catholic for about ten years,seems to me Muslims and Orthodox Christians believe in God/Allah however Muslims do not accept Jesus Christ as being the son of Godā¦holy trinity etc.So this is not something new.I respect Muslims andI find them to be closer to God than so many others that do not participate at all in any organized religion that worships the āGodā of Hebrews, Muslims or Christians.So many these days are hedonists and truly are spiritually bankrupt, how very sad
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Mickey
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I agree with you.
Sura 4:171 (Koran)ā Allah forbid that he should have a son!
1 John 2:23 (Douay-Rheims)ā Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father.
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rinnie
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Good question. Donāt know. I look at things pretty much as the way you seem to be putting them, you either agree with your Magisterium teaching or you do not.
It reminds me of something Jesus said. You are either hot or cold you cannot be lukewarm.
If y ou truly believe in your Church then you accept all of the teachings. You cannot pick and choose what you want to accept or not accept.
While I myself will admit I do not understand sometimes all of the teachings of the RCC. I know it is not the teaching that is wrong, but my lack of education or ability to understand things a certain times. But then as I continue to study it is then that my understanding with help of the Holy Spirit I am sure, that I begin to see things as God teaches.
The problem is we try to see things always on a human level. as Peter dd in the beginning instead of a divine level.
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rinnie
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Really?
So then you are saying because they believe in the teachings of a false prophet that makes the false prophetās God false.How do you figure that?
The Muslims believe in One God the God of Abraham. Now can you explain to me how the God of Abraham who they pray to, is different from the God of Abraham we pray to??
Is there not ONE God of Abraham?
So if I am in a worship site, no matter where it would be, and I am praying With a Muslim and we are both praying to the God of Abraham, you are saying we are praying to different godās? Please explain. Thanks.
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rinnie
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But what is the difference between us praying to the God of Abraham? There is only ONE GOD!
Just because we see One God in 3 persons and you do not, makes us have a different God?
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rinnie
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My answer would have to be no. Simply because being a Christian is to accept Christ and his teachings.
When you are baptised into the Christian faith you are baptised in the Name of the Trinity.
Just my thinking,
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concretecamper
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Try this thought experiment. Considering the Christian point of view, who was the God of Abraham? And what person of The Blessed Trinity communicated with Abraham and his people? If Muslims will not accept your answer then they worship a different godā¦donāt they?
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MissyB786
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Rather than comparing the characteristics of God, and according to some peoples logic it therefore means we worship a different/false God.
I worship the true ONE God, that is the **creator **of the universe, of mankind, of the earth of the universe, of love, of peace.
Therefore by worshiping the** creator** as do Christians, not creation as some other religions do ie cow/elephant etcā¦, it is the same God. We may describe God with different characteristics. I do not deny that God does not have the characterstics of Mercy, Peace, Love as we have that in Islam to. the only difference is the Trinity and son of God but with regards to His characteristics, I donāt think any Christian would deny our description of God is false. I give you below the 99name of God, if there is any one you disagree with please tell me.
The Greatest Name
The All-Compassionate
The All-Merciful
The Absolute Ruler
The Pure One
The Source of Peace
The Inspirer of Faith
The Guardian
The Victorious
The Compeller
The Greatest
The Creator
The Maker of Order
The Shaper of Beauty
The Forgiving
The Subduer
The Giver of All
The Sustainer
The Opener
The Knower of All
The Constrictor
The Reliever
The Abaser
The Exalter
The Bestower of Honors
The Humiliator
The Hearer of All
The Seer of All
The Judge
The Just
The Subtle One
The All-Aware
The Forebearing
The Magnificent
The Forgiver and Hider of Faults
The Rewarder of Thankfulness
The Highest
The Greatest
The Preserver
The Nourisher
The Accounter
The Mighty
The Generous
The Watchful One
The Responder to Prayer
The All-Comprehending
The Perfectly Wise
The Loving One
The Majestic One
The Resurrector
The Witness
The Truth
The Trustee
The Possessor of All Strength
The Forceful One
The Governor
The Praised One
The Appraiser
The Originator
The Restorer
The Giver of Life
The Taker of Life
The Ever Living One
The Self-Existing One
The Finder
The Glorious
The One, the All Inclusive, The Indivisible
The Satisfier of All Needs
The All Powerful
The Creator of All Power
The Expediter
The Delayer
The First
The Last
The Manifest One
The Hidden One
The Protecting Friend
The Supreme One
The Doer of Good
The Guide to Repentance
The Avenger
The Forgiver
The Clement
I worship the true ONE God, that is the **creator **of the universe, of mankind, of the earth of the universe, of love, of peace.
Therefore by worshiping the** creator** as do Christians, not creation as some other religions do ie cow/elephant etcā¦, it is the same God. We may describe God with different characteristics. I do not deny that God does not have the characterstics of Mercy, Peace, Love as we have that in Islam to. the only difference is the Trinity and son of God but with regards to His characteristics, I donāt think any Christian would deny our description of God is false. I give you below the 99name of God, if there is any one you disagree with please tell me.
The Greatest Name
The All-Compassionate
The All-Merciful
The Absolute Ruler
The Pure One
The Source of Peace
The Inspirer of Faith
The Guardian
The Victorious
The Compeller
The Greatest
The Creator
The Maker of Order
The Shaper of Beauty
The Forgiving
The Subduer
The Giver of All
The Sustainer
The Opener
The Knower of All
The Constrictor
The Reliever
The Abaser
The Exalter
The Bestower of Honors
The Humiliator
The Hearer of All
The Seer of All
The Judge
The Just
The Subtle One
The All-Aware
The Forebearing
The Magnificent
The Forgiver and Hider of Faults
The Rewarder of Thankfulness
The Highest
The Greatest
The Preserver
The Nourisher
The Accounter
The Mighty
The Generous
The Watchful One
The Responder to Prayer
The All-Comprehending
The Perfectly Wise
The Loving One
The Majestic One
The Resurrector
The Witness
The Truth
The Trustee
The Possessor of All Strength
The Forceful One
The Governor
The Praised One
The Appraiser
The Originator
The Restorer
The Giver of Life
The Taker of Life
The Ever Living One
The Self-Existing One
The Finder
The Glorious
The One, the All Inclusive, The Indivisible
The Satisfier of All Needs
The All Powerful
The Creator of All Power
The Expediter
The Delayer
The First
The Last
The Manifest One
The Hidden One
The Protecting Friend
The Supreme One
The Doer of Good
The Guide to Repentance
The Avenger
The Forgiver
The Clement
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concretecamper
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You can put down 199 names. You miss the point. If you claim to worship the God of Abraham, you worship what you do not know.
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MissyB786
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Same could be said about any other religion, everyone claims that they know and for me Islam makes the most sense, even in todays modern day where Muslims face so much persecution so it wud be easier not to be Muslim, but the law and logic of God makes more sense to me than the law and logic of man.
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Eric_Hilbert
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Remain on the topic please
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rinnie
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How? God communicated with Abraham and his people. God came down from heaven and became Man. But what makes him different?
So what you are saying is because they do not see God as God the Son and God the Holy Spirit only God the Father it makes God the Father a false God??
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rinnie
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How is that? They acknowledge God the Father. Is not God the Father God the Almighty. The same God we pray to.
The point you seem to miss I believe. Lets go back in time okay. O.T. Now in the O.T. all they knew is God the Father the Father of Abraham.
Now it was not until God the Son came into this world and revealed to us God the Son, and then God the Holy Spirit, what we call the Trinity God in three persons.
But now my question is this was God the Father in the O,T. a false god because he was not known as the Son or the Holy Spirit? He would have to be if we continue to see things your way.
Or you have to acknowledge him as God the Father the same God of Abraham that they admit they also pray to.
No disrespect to anyone, but here is how I see this. God granted us the Grace to see him as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It says in the bible that God has much to reveal to us, but he also says he will reveal things to us when we are ready to hear it.
It will be through the Grace and goodness and time of God that he will reveal himself to others who do not see him as we do.
But because others do not see him as we were given the grace to, does not make it fair to reject God the Father the one true God.Do you understand my point I am trying to make?
Let me put this another way, how is them not seeing God the Son and God the Holy Spirit make God the Father false? That is where I am so confused here.
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rinnie
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Our okay then lets put it this way.
I believe with my whole heart and soul that God is made up of 3 persons in ONE GOD. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Now I feel I have somehow become a prophet, Now of course I am a false prophet, but I believe this anyway. But now that I believe I have had a revelation from the One True God, and of course, in truth I have not, It makes the God I believe in a false god, Right?
Because thats what you are saying. People fall, and continue to fall from the One true Church everyday. But because they reject the Catholic Church, does not make the God false.
Protestants reject our communion, our confession most of our sacraments. But because of that they have a false god? Again please explain your reasoning.
According to the Catholic Church and teachings many protestants are misled. But you never hear the Catholic Church saying they follow a false God, and Jesus is false.
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rinnie
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By the way, the reason they do not call God Father, is because it was Jesus who revealed to us God the Father, not Abraham.
CCC 240 JESUS REVEALED THAT GOD IS FATHER IN AN UNHEARD OF SENSE HE IS FATHER NOT ONLY IN BEING CREATOR HE IS ETERNALLY FATHER BY HIS RELATIONSHIP TO HIS ONLY SON WHO RECIPROCALLY IS SON ONLY IN RELATION TO HIS FATHER. NO ONE KNOW THE SON EXCEPT THE FATHERā¦
CCC 240 JESUS REVEALED THAT GOD IS FATHER IN AN UNHEARD OF SENSE HE IS FATHER NOT ONLY IN BEING CREATOR HE IS ETERNALLY FATHER BY HIS RELATIONSHIP TO HIS ONLY SON WHO RECIPROCALLY IS SON ONLY IN RELATION TO HIS FATHER. NO ONE KNOW THE SON EXCEPT THE FATHERā¦
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LogicPlease
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hi , the muslims worship one god they consider him to be the creater of the universe , god that created us from adam and eve , god who sent all prophets including Abraham Ishmael Isaac Jacob Jonah Moses Jesus in addtion to one final prophet who catholics donāt believe in who is Muhammed . now whoever created the universe whoever created us whoever sent the prophets they pray for him 5 times a day with the obligatory first chapter which contains the verse : āshow us the right pathā and glorify him and fall on their faces for him so thatās a request for guidance at least 17 times a day (number of Rakaāas) so if theyāre not guided and then you consider God creater of the universe who they call Allah to be false then so is your God who you call God or the Trinity or YHWH or whatever you call him i think all 3 monotheistic religions worship the same divine being despite the fact that they disagree on some charactirtics of his . for example God which muslims worship is considered to be beyond our imagination he doe
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