Does Islam worship the same God?

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Some Muslims claim Jesus is buried somewhere near Kashmir or Jammu, India. Some claim He is buried in Talpiot, Jerusalem. Others claim He was buried as far away as Japan.

Now you are claiming Jesus’ empty grave is beside your prophet. Can Islam make up its mind?

Muslims continue to utter false, blasphemous claims because of what is in the Qur’an, but nobody is allowed to say anything about your beloved mortal prophet whose status is elevated even higher than Allah. 😦
Yes, it is indeed a religion of contradiction.
Its amazing when a person (mo) tells a lie, its amazing how fast the lies become undone
 
Australia’s aborigines are thought to have migrated from Southern India. Does that mean Indians have rights over their land? Ridiculous indeed. I think Protestants proselytize better than Muslims.
 
Yes, it is indeed a religion of contradiction.
Its amazing when a person (mo) tells a lie, its amazing how fast the lies become undone
Its not difficult for a Muslim to lie when their (un)holy texts teaches them to lie when confronted. 😦
 
Its not difficult for a Muslim to lie when their (un)holy texts teaches them to lie when confronted. 😦
yes, and by these convictions alone, you think they would question their faith. Why would God allow lying?
Our God doesnt allow it, simply because we dont have to lie to protect his perfect and divine revelation in the bible.
 
yes, and by these convictions alone, you think they would question their faith. Why would God allow lying?
Our God doesnt allow it, simply because we dont have to lie to protect his perfect and divine revelation in the bible.
God hates liars. If a religion teaches its adherents to lie, then you know you have to stay away from such a deceptive religion.

I don’t think conservative Muslims ever have any guilty conscience.
If they did, they would not make front page news all over the world.
 
For me, the biggest problem with the Islamic faith is that it does not build upon Jesus’ teaching but it works to tear them down.
Throughout salvation history we see God building new upon the old. Finally, Christianity was the fufillment of the Jewish faith. Jesus revealed the Trinity and God as our father, Jesus is the eternal Son and from each proceeeds the Holy Spirit. We receive a spirit that cries “Abba”.
Islam is opposed to this revealed faith. The belief in the Trinity is rejected which automatically excludes Jesus as being God the Son. God is a solitude and no longer is God called Father. Also, we are no longer sons but we are dragged back to a Master-Slave relationship and suddenly, God becomes a harsh being.
A few bible verses come to mind:

First - The fact that Jesus is God cannot be denied.
1 John 2:20-23
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But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know. 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.

Second - We are family and friends of God.
John 15:12-17
12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13
Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide; so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. 17 This I command you, to love one another.
 
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as it would be for me to claim there were Christians prior to the crucifixion in Ireland.
Whilst ludicrous, some Celtic Christian Reconstructionists have claimed that Druids practiced Christianity before the birth of Christ, citing Acts 29 as part of their “proof”.

xan

jonathon
 
Americanrevert;:
Muslims that had already presided there before he “so called discovered” it.
Where is the archeological evidence to support that claim?
there were many cherokee muslims before the advent of the “discovery of america”.
Where is the archeological evidence supporting that claim?
Where are the Tslagi tales to support that claim?

xan

jonathon
 
dzheremi;:
I have not heard of this three Goddesses and One God mentioned in the Quran,
It is a major embarrassment to Islam, since it is the simplest proof that it is following a false religion.
Can you quote for the benefit of all of us the passage(s) you are referring to, and maybe provide your analysis of them?
an-Najm: The Star
1 By the Star when it setteth,
2 Your comrade erreth not, nor is deceived;
3 Nor doth he speak of (his own) desire.
4 It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired,
5 Which one of mighty powers hath taught him,
6 One vigorous; and he grew clear to view
7 When he was on the uppermost horizon.
8 Then he drew nigh and came down
9 Till he was (distant) two bows’ length or even nearer,
10 And He revealed unto His slave that which He revealed.
11 The heart lied not (in seeing) what it saw.
12 Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he seeth ?
13 And verily he saw him yet another time
14 By the lote-tree of the utmost boundary,
15 Nigh unto which is the Garden of Abode.
16 When that which shroudeth did enshroud the lote-tree,
17 The eye turned not aside nor yet was overbold.
18 Verily he saw one of the greater revelations of his Lord.
19 Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza
20 And Manat, the third, the other ?
21 Are yours the males and His the females ?
22 That indeed were an unfair division!
23 They are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers, for which Allah hath revealed no warrant. They follow but a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. And now the guidance from their Lord hath come unto them.
24 Or shall man have what he coveteth ?
25 But unto Allah belongeth the after (life), and the former.
26 And how many angels are in the heavens whose intercession availeth naught save after Allah giveth leave to whom He chooseth and accepteth.
27 Lo! it is those who disbelieve in the Hereafter who name the angels with the names of females.
28 And they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and lo! a guess can never take the place of the truth.
29 Then withdraw (O Muhammad) from him who fleeth from Our remembrance and desireth but the life of the world.
30 Such is their sum of knowledge. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth, and He is Best Aware of him whom goeth right.
31 And unto Allah belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth, that He may reward those who do evil with that which they have done, and reward those who do good with goodness.
32 Those who avoid enormities of sin and abominations, save the unwilled offences - (for them) lo! thy Lord is of vast mercy. He is Best Aware of you (from the time) when He created you from the earth, and when ye were hidden in the bellies of your mothers. Therefor ascribe not purity unto yourselves. He is Best Aware of him who wardeth off (evil).
33 Didst thou (O Muhammad) observe him who turned away,
34 And gave a little, then was grudging ?
35 Hath he knowledge of the Unseen so that he seeth ?
36 Or hath he not had news of what is in the books of Moses
37 And Abraham who paid his debt:
38 That no laden one shall bear another’s load,
39 And that man hath only that for which he maketh effort,
40 And that his effort will be seen.
41 And afterward he will be repaid for it with fullest payment;
42 And that thy Lord, He is the goal;
43 And that He it is who maketh laugh, and maketh weep,
44 And that He it is Who giveth death and giveth life;
45 And that He createth the two spouses, the male and the female,
46 From a drop (of seed) when it is poured forth;
47 And that He hath ordained the second bringing forth;
48 And that He it is Who enricheth and contenteth;
49 And that He it is Who is the Lord of Sirius;
50 And that He destroyed the former (tribe of) A’ad,
51 And (the tribe of) Thamud He spared not;
52 And the folk of Noah aforetime, Lo! they were more unjust and more rebellious;
53 And Al-Mu’tafikah He destroyed
54 So that there covered them that which did cover.
55 Concerning which then, of the bounties of thy Lord, canst thou dispute ?
56 This is a warner of the warners of old.
57 The threatened Hour is nigh.
58 None beside Allah can disclose it.
59 Marvel ye then at this statement,
60 And laugh and not weep,
61 While ye amuse yourselves ?
62 Rather prostrate yourselves before Allah and serve Him.

xan

jonathon
 
The apparatus is defective because Mohammed did not continue the work of Christ. No TRUE prophet of God could denounce Christ as the Son of God. Both Mohammed and Jesus cannot both be true. You choose. It sounds harsh but it is true.

Also, Islam is totally different from the Jewish faith because the Jewish faith was within the ongoing work of God in revealing Himself to His people. Christianity was a fulfillment of a prior work and religion established by God. The move to Christianity was a deeper understanding of the Jewish faith. Islam is no such thing. We cannot call Islam the fulfillment of Christianity. On the contrary, it seeks to totally undo and destroy Christianity by denying the divinity of Jesus. This makes it anti-Christ.

While Islam may point to the God of Abraham, a wedge was driven into their teaching that will forever keep the two apart. One or the other would have to give up their deeply held beliefs. I suppose that this is a work that only God could accomplish
 
So does this mean when he dies, he will cease to live in heaven as well?
Or does this death mean he goes to heaven?
If so, since he is in heaven, why does he have to die then go back to heaven?
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good one…

MuslimWoman?
 
Salaam/peace
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good one…

MuslimWoman?
God raised Jesus (p) up … When Prophet Muhammed (p) made his miraculous night journey , he met Jesus & some other Prophets (pbut) in the upper sky .

Most probably Jesus & other Prophets (pbut) are not inside the heaven now …somewhere near to it.

Jesus (p) will die because he is a human being .

**All ( except God ) must die. **
 
Salaam/peace

All names are not mentioned in Quran or hadith …there were thousands & thousands Prophets ( pbut ) since Adam (p) .

What prophets are named in the Qur’an?:

There are 25 prophets mentioned by name in the Qur’an…

Adam
Idris (Enoch)

Nuh (Noah)
Hud
Saleh

Ibrahim (Abraham)
Isma’il (Ishmael)
Ishaq (Isaac)

Lut (Lot)
Ya’qub (Jacob)
Yousef (Joseph)

Shu’aib
Ayyub (Job)
Musa (Moses)

Harun (Aaron)
Dhu’l-kifl (Ezekiel)
Dawud (David)

Sulaiman (Solomon)
Ilias (Elias)

Al-Yasa (Elisha)
Yunus (Jonah)

Zakariyya (Zechariah)
Yahya (John)

'Isa (Jesus)
Muhammad ( pbut)

islam.about.com/od/prophets/p/prophets.htm
 
Salaam/peace

God raised Jesus (p) up … When Prophet Muhammed (p) made his miraculous night journey , he met Jesus & some other Prophets (pbut) in the upper sky .

Most probably Jesus & other Prophets (pbut) are not inside the heaven now …somewhere near to it.

Jesus (p) will die because he is a human being .

**All ( except God ) must die. **
There are three heavens; Jesus was raised to the third heaven, above the earth’s sky and above the second heaven, space, to the third heaven, where God “lives”:

“I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago–whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows–such a man was caught up to the third heaven.”

Also, the Bible constantly mentions “heavens”, plural; when Jesus returned, He called the Kingdom He was restoring to humanity “the Kingdom of the Heavens” (in greek).

Jesus was not up in the sky, the first heaven, as the Russian cosmonauts discovered many years ago.
 
Salaam/peace
For me, the biggest problem with the Islamic faith is that it does not build upon Jesus’ teaching .
u may read this article written by a revert Muslim

Jesus Through a Muslim Lens

Michael Wolfe

We believe in God

And in what has been sent down to us,

What has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael
And Isaac and Jacob and their offspring,

And what was given to Moses and to JesusAnd all the other prophets of the Lord.

We make no distinction among them.

As these lines from the Qur’an make clear, Muslims regard Jesus as one of the world’s great teachers.

He and his mentor John the Baptist stand in a lineage stretching back to the founder of ethical monotheism.

Muslims venerate Jesus as a divinely inspired human but never, ever as “the son of God.”

In the same vein, we treat the concept of the Trinity as a late footnote to Jesus’ teachings, an unnecessary “mystery” introduced by the North African theologian Tertullian two centuries after Jesus’ death.

Nor do Muslims view his death as an act of atonement for mankind’s sins.

Rather, along with the early Christian theologian Pelagius, Islam rejects the doctrine of original sin, a notion argued into church doctrine by St. Augustine around the year 400.

It might almost be said that Islam holds a view of Jesus similar to some of the early apostolic versions condemned by the fourth-century Byzantine Church.

Once Constantine installed Christianity as the Roman Empire’s state religion, a rage for orthodoxy followed.

The Councils of Nicaea
(325), Tyre (335), Constantinople (381), Ephesus (431), and Chalcedon (451) were official, often brutal attempts to stamp out heterodox views of Jesus held by “heretical” theologians.

Rulings by these councils led to the persecution and deaths of tens of thousands of early Christians at the hands of more “orthodox” Christians who condemned them.

Most disputes centered on divergent interpretations of the Trinity.

beliefnet.com/story/29/story_2964_2.html
 
If you look up about how the q’uran instructs followers of Mohammad to behead Jews and Christians, I still find it hard to see they worship the same God. I’m still trying to study that on my own but I’m still more inclined to say the do not.
Scripture Catholic has a great page on this; Islam - A Religion of Peace?
 
God hates liars. If a religion teaches its adherents to lie, then you know you have to stay away from such a deceptive religion.

I don’t think conservative Muslims ever have any guilty conscience.
If they did, they would not make front page news all over the world.
You are uninformed about Islam. Islam teaches highest moral to speak the truth even before a tyrant king. Perhaps church does not teach such good things. Before accusing the Real God of such bad things you and D i L should have produced something from the Quran that God teaches to tell lies.

It was a big blame that you have put on The God. It means you have done some dirty thing.
 
Muslims venerate Jesus as a divinely inspired human but never, ever as “the son of God.”
The Quran is rather speaking against the idea God procreated with Mary as a kind of Zeus, to produce the demigod Jesus.

Not really against the idea that all righteous are children of God, being adopted by Him rather than Satan. Which Jesus being the chief among His children, obeying God the best.

This is why the Quran says he is Messiah in agreement with the Bible, which is the King of the World from David. He is qualified for that position due to his perfect obedience.
Nor do Muslims view his death as an act of atonement for mankind’s sins.
As King of the World he has power to judge and give mercy for sins, if you repent. This is how Jesus ultimately saves, the cross was simply a means to get there.

So there should be no conflict with that view of how Jesus saves – as a human Judge appointed by God.
Rather, along with the early Christian theologian Pelagius, Islam rejects the doctrine of original sin, a notion argued into church doctrine by St. Augustine around the year 400.
There is really no way to reject the idea if we all agree that the sin of Adam caused us all death.
 
Salaam/peace
If you look up about how the q’uran instructs followers of Mohammad to behead Jews and Christians, I still find it hard to see they worship the same God.
God described in O T how Jews were cursed in the past ; Jesus (p) scolded Jews in N T …still u think Quran is hard on Jews ?

links :

**Similarities between Muslims & Jewish Holy Books. **

Is the Qur’an Hard on Jews?

theislampath.com/smf/index.php?topic=408.0
 
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