Does Islam worship the same God?

[BCH]

**You are right. Islam and christianity are different as far as more than one god is with church. But at the same time they say God is only one. Quite complicated matters. Then there is Trinity. Don’t you think that church is trapped (sandwiched) between two faiths i.e. Judaism and Islam. Your Trinity is not found any where in Judaism and not found in Islam.

Further, you have no law. Church has said good bye to the law calling it a curse. that was another way of abusing the law. But what does it matter when the church is ready to accept that Jesus was also cuirsed. We Muslims do not like to say that Jesus was cursed person. How can the God of the christians be cursed? Cannot understand that.

I wish the church understood the meaning of the word “Cursed”. I am sure the christians are not ready to understand anything of the true religion. Rather they are trying hard to hide the truth about God and the prophets.**

Christians also believe in one God; however, we do not believe that God is a solitude but has a nature of perfect unity. We believe that God the Father Eternally Fathers His Son, Jesus. And, the love that proceeds from the Father and the Son is the Holy Spirit.
Do we toally understand it, No. Can we begin to probe this mystery, Yes.
Consider 3 cups of water that are all poured into the same container. Now we have a single cup of water because each cup was of the same substance. So, it is possible to have a single cup of water when we know that the single cup contains the 3 cups of water.
We consider each person (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) to be of the same substance and have identical natures and a perfect unity of three persons, but only one God.

 

[trustme80]

inJESUS, God has wisdom no doubt. At the core of your belief is the concept of trinity that is incomprehensible to the human mind, it breaks all logic and reason yet you take a leap of faith and believe in it without really understanding it. That is what I meant by faith in the heart but not so much reason and logic.

my question is if you can’t understand it then how do you know it is true. This is an especially important question because the trinity is at the core of your christian beliefs, can you even be a christian if you don’t believe in trinity?

i “a christian” understand that even my personal self think and feel, which think and feel are two different things in my oneself

i think and i feel therefor i am
and that’s only simple me

God is incomprehensible, but we are given a hint in the scriptures

there are already explanations and analogies in the threads, i’ve posted a sun analogy that works for me, i forgot where

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

answered already , pl. browse

PS. I visit an Islamic site ,there is an option : Show new replies to your posts.

I wonder , why this forum does not have it ?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

where are their books?

All Prophets (pbut ) did not recieve holy books.

Theose who were blessed with holy books are called Messengers. So , all messengers are Prophets but all prophets are not messengers.

Four major books are Taurat , Zabur , Injil , Quran.

Moses/ Musa (p) got Taurat , David/ Dawud (p) got Zabur/ Psalm , Isa/ Jesus (p) got Injil / bible & Muhammed (p) got Quran.

Only the last & final one is uncourrpted & will be like that till the last day. So , read the holy Quran to get the final message of your Lord.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

God tells him when the day is.

so , God is more powerful than Jesus (p) ?

Even Mohammed was given the power to judge and to kill men for their sins,

judges in this world have power to give death penalty to sinners like war crimnals.

it does not mean they can judge us on the last day. Only God has that power .

you think Jesus doesn’t have it even though he is Messiah, which means the King of the World from David. How come?

even if it’s true that Jesus (p) is /was the king of the world , it does not mean he is the lord of the hereafter .

Jesus (p) himself told u he does not even know about the date of the last day. Only God has knowledge about it .

It’s another proof that Jesus (p) is not God.

I reject that Jesus was born a deity.

that’s good

Now u have to understand that Jesus (p) was never a deity , but a messenger of God.

Jesus only has the power of God because God gave it to him, like God gave Moses.

U think Moses (p) was a messenger but the same power made Jesus (p) more than a messenger ?

So you have to ask Trinitarians that question

so , u don’t believe in Trinity but still a Christian ?

 

[Americanrevert]

**Hello an assalaamu’alaykum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakatu,

Throughout the Bible you can find passages that makes one mind wonder as to who actually “wrote” the Bible. You come across things that make sense and do not make sense. (am not talkin in faith here) am talkin plain sentences and even you get a verse that isn’t a sentence. Someone marked here earllier about a word they emphasized but even then, emphasis’ on a word or phrase or paragraph or chapter does not signify that the Bible is truth in all areas. In saying that, how can one base their salvation upon something that cannot be proven true? (am not talkin just faith here)

Jesus’ words are in red why? Why not have the entire book in red since Christians say it is from God? Why pick here and there “phrases” to coincide with each other’s belief in a particular subject? Why are there so many versions of the Bible floatin around? What gives man the right to add and delete what they will? Surely these things do not have the authority over the Creator

americanrevert
**

 

[trustme80]

**Hello an assalaamu’alaykum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakatu,

Throughout the Bible you can find passages that makes one mind wonder as to who actually “wrote”** the Bible. You come across things that make sense and do not make sense. (am not talkin in faith here) am talkin plain sentences and even you get a verse that isn’t a sentence. Someone marked here earllier about a word they emphasized but even then, emphasis’ on a word or phrase or paragraph or chapter does not signify that the Bible is truth in all areas. In saying that, how can one base their salvation upon something that cannot be proven true? (am not talkin just faith here)

Jesus’ words are in red why? Why not have the entire book in red since Christians say it is from God? Why pick here and there “phrases” to coincide with each other’s belief in a particular subject? Why are there so many versions of the Bible floatin around? What gives man the right to add and delete what they will? Surely these things do not have the authority over the Creator

americanrevert

Shalom,

Throughout the Quran you can find passages that makes one mind wonder as to who actually “wrote” the Quran. You come across things that make sense and do not make sense. (am not talkin in faith here) am talkin plain sentences and even you get a verse that isn’t a sentence. Someone marked here earllier about a word they emphasized but even then, emphasis’ on a word or phrase or paragraph or chapter does not signify that the Quran is truth in all areas. In saying that, how can one base their salvation upon something that cannot be proven true? (am not talkin just faith here)

is it true only muhamad’s words are in the Quran? Why God dedicated an entire sura cursing at poor abu lahab and his wife for not believing in muhammad ? Surely these things do not have the authority over the Creator

 

[dzheremi]

You ARE talking about faith, Americanrevert. That is what all of us are talking about. You are just too arrogant to admit it, because you think your personal views are the same as “proof” for your religion. I am glad not all Muslims think like you do.

 

[Americanrevert]

**Hello,

is it true only muhamad’s words are in the Quran? Why God dedicated an entire sura cursing at poor abu lahab and his wife for not believing in muhammad ? Surely these things do not have the authority over the Creator

No, Mohammad’s sallaAllahu 'alayhi wa sellem, his words are kept separate from the Quran. Actually, if you look at it in another perspective, it was even a challenge for Abu Lahab…he knew of the verse himself and NEVER submitted to Allah and again, Allah’s words rang true.

Remember, Allah knows who already will believe and who will not or never believe.

(may I ask, are you a Jew?)

americanrevert**

 

[trustme80]

**Hello,

No, Mohammad’s sallaAllahu 'alayhi wa sellem, his words are kept separate from the Quran. Actually, if you look at it in another perspective, it was even a challenge for Abu Lahab…he knew of the verse himself and NEVER submitted to Allah and again, Allah’s words rang true.

Remember, Allah knows who already will believe and who will not or never believe.

(may I ask, are you a Jew?)

americanrevert**

so basicly the complete and eternal guide for humankind contains
an entire sura cursing muhammad’s uncle and his wife because they didnt believe muhammad ?

LOL

if you dont see anything wrong with that, you really are hopeless
well, good luck with islam

and no, i’m not a jew

 

[planten]

** I also respect Jesus highly and his mother too. I o not dare and no Muslim will do any bad thing bout Jesus while the christians are regularly doing, blaspheming our prophet in this forum. Even if they do that, I would not and should not say any bad word about Jesus and his mother. That is settled.

What I wrote was about a discussion going on in another thread about jesus being a God in the first place and the result was being deduced that Jesus was the husband of Mary. What can I say about that? I do not believe it though but if your writings prove such a thing then it is better that you leave off those bad writings. Throw them out of your books. **

 

[dolphinlove]

** I also respect Jesus highly and his mother too. I o not dare and no Muslim will do any bad thing bout Jesus while the christians are regularly doing, blaspheming our prophet in this forum. Even if they do that, I would not and should not say any bad word about Jesus and his mother. That is settled.

What I wrote was about a discussion going on in another thread about jesus being a God in the first place and the result was being deduced that Jesus was the husband of Mary. What can I say about that? I do not believe it though but if your writings prove such a thing then it is better that you leave off those bad writings. Throw them out of your books. **

You say your not ‘insulting’ Jesus, yet you deny EVERYTHING he is.
You say he was Mary’s husband, and you think we blaspheme?
Planten, your stories and fantasies about what YOU think Christianity is grows more funny by the day.
You attack our scripture, you attack God, and you attack everything about Jesus.
I would suggest you start from your little glass house and start throwing rocks when you do a proper study of your scripture… ok.

 

[cathopologist]

You say your not ‘insulting’ Jesus, yet you deny EVERYTHING he is.
You say he was Mary’s husband, and you think we blaspheme?
Planten, your stories and fantasies about what YOU think Christianity is grows more funny by the day.
You attack our scripture, you attack God, and you attack everything about Jesus.
I would suggest you start from your little glass house and start throwing rocks when you do a proper study of your scripture… ok.

Indeed. planten has uttered many blasphemous statements and yet denies them. This in itself is confusing, nevermind the religion Islam.

 

[BCH]

Salaam/peace

so , God is more powerful than Jesus (p) ?

judges in this world have power to give death penalty to sinners like war crimnals.

it does not mean they can judge us on the last day. Only God has that power .

even if it’s true that Jesus (p) is /was the king of the world , it does not mean he is the lord of the hereafter .

Jesus (p) himself told u he does not even know about the date of the last day. Only God has knowledge about it .

It’s another proof that Jesus (p) is not God.

that’s good

Now u have to understand that Jesus (p) was never a deity , but a messenger of God.

U think Moses (p) was a messenger but the same power made Jesus (p) more than a messenger ?

so , u don’t believe in Trinity but still a Christian ?

As long as a person rejects the New Testament as the written word of God, he or she can make up and choose or reject whatever suits their needs. This is something a Christian can never do.

Just consider for a moment if Christianity is what it claims to be. What would be the devil’s response? Jesus did exist an he was clearly a good man so he wouldn’t have much success refuting that fact. He would have to attempt to strip Chrisitanity of its power and deny the divinity of Jesus. Once he stops people from believing that Jesus is God on earth and the source of all salvation, the devil doesn’t care what else anyone believes about Jesus.

These verses certainly show that Jesus is God with a name above all names in heaven and on earth.
Philippians 2:5-11
5 Have this mind among yourselves, which was in Christ Jesus,** 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7** but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[jblake]

Americanrevert;:

and even you get a verse that isn’t a sentence.

Verses are a convention, created for one to more easily find a passage. Prior to adding chapters and verses, pericopes were used. (Discussion of the advantages of pericopes over chapters and verses is the topic for another thread.)

Jesus’ words are in red why?

That is a convention done to help people study the Bible. (You can also find Bibles that other types of presentation markup. The majority of times, these are so that it can be better used as a study tool.)

Why not have the entire book in red since Christians say it is from God?

The words in red are direct quotes of Jesus, or God.

Why are there so many versions of the Bible floating around?

Translation, at best, is a hard task. Different people will translate the same words in one language, to different words, in a second language.

Since Christianity is for everybody, regardless of their circumstances, providing the Bible in every language will result in minor textual differences, when backtranslated.

xan

jonathon

 

[Schnitz]

Jesus (p) himself told u he does not even know about the date of the last day. Only God has knowledge about it .

It’s another proof that Jesus (p) is not God.

You have yet to prove a single thing. Where in the Bible does it say that only God (explicitly God) knows the last day? You must be thinking of Matthew 24:36, which states, “But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of Heaven nor the Son, but the **Father **alone.” It doesn’t say “God alone.” It says “the Father alone.” So this proves that Jesus isn’t God how?

 

[Schnitz]

** I also respect Jesus highly and his mother too. I o not dare and no Muslim will do any bad thing bout Jesus while the christians are regularly doing, blaspheming our prophet in this forum. Even if they do that, I would not and should not say any bad word about Jesus and his mother. That is settled.**

Yet you deny His divinity. Sorry, but you are the blasphemer.

 

[planten]

Yet you deny His divinity. Sorry, but you are the blasphemer.

** I feel that you are not right. The Jews were stoning Jesus because he said he was son of God and he was divine. They blamed him for blasphemy that he called himself divine.

Now that I do not do that (do not say he is divine) even then you are blaming me for blasphemy. Can you see the problem please? According to Jews, Jesus was a blasphemor. According to you, I am blasphemor. What is that? It is inconsistent.**

 

[dzheremi]

No it isn’t. It’s very consistent. The Jews who rejected Jesus did so because their leaders saw the things He was doing and saying and decided He must not be the Messiah as He claimed, and was at least in some sense a heretical Jew (in their strict legalistic view). It is important to remember that the first Christians were also in that sense heretics, since Christianity grew out of what can still be considered a heretical Jewish sect.

The difference that you are choosing to ignore or not simply do not understand is that Jesus, in our view, came in confirmation of the (Jewish) scriptures. Some Jews believed Him and over time came to be known as Christians. Others did not and said that He is not the Messiah, and still wait for their Messiah. These are the Jews of today. Each community remains consistent to its original position: The Christians maintaining that Jesus was and IS the Messiah who would come from among the people of Israel (this is prophecied in the OT), and the Jews maintaining that Jesus was not that Messiah, so they continue to wait for their deliverer.

Contrast this with Muhammad, whose book does not in form or in content confirm what came before it, but relies on claims of “corruption” to bolster its supposed authority, no different than in the case of the Baha’i book or the Book of Mormon. You would claim that the believers in these books are blasphemers, too.

 

[Schnitz]

No it isn’t. It’s very consistent. The Jews who rejected Jesus did so because their leaders saw the things He was doing and saying and decided He must not be the Messiah as He claimed, and was at least in some sense a heretical Jew (in their strict legalistic view). It is important to remember that the first Christians were also in that sense heretics, since Christianity grew out of what can still be considered a heretical Jewish sect.

The difference that you are choosing to ignore or not simply do not understand is that Jesus, in our view, came in confirmation of the (Jewish) scriptures. Some Jews believed Him and over time came to be known as Christians. Others did not and said that He is not the Messiah, and still wait for their Messiah. These are the Jews of today. Each community remains consistent to its original position: The Christians maintaining that Jesus was and IS the Messiah who would come from among the people of Israel (this is prophecied in the OT), and the Jews maintaining that Jesus was not that Messiah, so they continue to wait for their deliverer.

Contrast this with Muhammad, whose book does not in form or in content confirm what came before it, but relies on claims of “corruption” to bolster its supposed authority, no different than in the case of the Baha’i book or the Book of Mormon. You would claim that the believers in these books are blasphemers, too.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.