Does Jesus Redeem or Save us?

[NewsTheMan]

Just a quick question,

My Catechism teacher told me that there is a difference between being saved and redeemed. He said basically that Jesus redeemed us, i.e. made us right it God’s eyes, however, it us up to us to take the hand of God and be saved. So we have all been redeemed but not all saved.

Is that correct?

 

[po18guy]

As to the thread title: Both! There is a distinction between these two terms. Our redemption was paid for by Christ’s suffering on the cross. However, it is still up to individual hearts to accept that redemption via conversion of our hearts and the keeping of Christ’s commands. For example, John 3:16 teaches that Jesus did redeem the world, but that there is a condition of belief placed upon each soul. It is not automatic. Jesus Himself, just before He ascended, taught that “all who believe and are baptized will be saved” (Mark 16:16). He said this is was after He appeared in His glorified Body and the sacrifice was complete. All mankind is redeemed, but only those who accept the terms of that redemption are saved.

A crude analogy: You receive a coupon in the mail for a free item. The price has been paid. However, you must still take action to receive the benefits of that coupon, by taking it to the place where it is to be redeemed. Only then will you receive the reward specified on the coupon.

Christ’s peace be with you.

 

[steve_b]

Just a quick question,

My Catechism teacher told me that there is a difference between being saved and redeemed. He said basically that Jesus redeemed us, i.e. made us right it God’s eyes, however, it us up to us to take the hand of God and be saved. So we have all been redeemed but not all saved.

Is that correct?

As to the question, Jesus does both. He saves and redeems

However, it’s accurate to say, the one who made us without our permission, won’t save us without our permission.

 

[Serafina17]

As I think John Martignoni says, there is a difference between the ‘redeemed’ and the ‘saved’. There’s a circle (the redeemed), with a smaller circle inside it (the saved). Why is not everyone saved? Is it something Jesus didn’t do, or something the unsaved person did/didn’t do?

 

[fhansen]

Just a quick question,

My Catechism teacher told me that there is a difference between being saved and redeemed. He said basically that Jesus redeemed us, i.e. made us right it God’s eyes, however, it us up to us to take the hand of God and be saved. So we have all been redeemed but not all saved.

Is that correct?

It’s important to note that, in Catholicism, salvation/justification is a process, so that ultimately perfection (in God’s eyes) takes place over a period of time.

 

[Carlan]

As to the thread title: Both! There is a distinction between these two terms. Our redemption was paid for by Christ’s suffering on the cross. However, it is still up to individual hearts to accept that redemption via conversion of our hearts and the keeping of Christ’s commands. For example, John 3:16 teaches that Jesus did redeem the world, but that there is a condition of belief placed upon each soul. It is not automatic. Jesus Himself, just before He ascended, taught that “all who believe and are baptized will be saved” (Mark 16:16). He said this is was after He appeared in His glorified Body and the sacrifice was complete. All mankind is redeemed, but only those who accept the terms of that redemption are saved.

A crude analogy: You receive a coupon in the mail for a free item. The price has been paid. However, you must still take action to receive the benefits of that coupon, by taking it to the place where it is to be redeemed. Only then will you receive the reward specified on the coupon.

Christ’s peace be with you.

Yes PO18guy,Christ redeemed all of us from sin by his death on the cross, however, we as individuals must accept that redemption by reaching out to God the Father who is standing by with his actual grace prompting us to reach out and accept the grace he offers. Forgiveness of sin, Baptism, justification and sanctifying grace.The process of salvation begins.Thank you Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Blessed Trinity .Carlan

 

[diggerdomer]

As to the thread title: Both! There is a distinction between these two terms. Our redemption was paid for by Christ’s suffering on the cross. However, it is still up to individual hearts to accept that redemption via conversion of our hearts and the keeping of Christ’s commands. For example, John 3:16 teaches that Jesus did redeem the world, but that there is a condition of belief placed upon each soul. It is not automatic. Jesus Himself, just before He ascended, taught that “all who believe and are baptized will be saved” (Mark 16:16). He said this is was after He appeared in His glorified Body and the sacrifice was complete. All mankind is redeemed, but only those who accept the terms of that redemption are saved.

A crude analogy: You receive a coupon in the mail for a free item. The price has been paid. However, you must still take action to receive the benefits of that coupon, by taking it to the place where it is to be redeemed. Only then will you receive the reward specified on the coupon.

Christ’s peace be with you.

That’s a complex theological issue. The Catholic Church would teach that Jesus both redeemed and saved us, it’s not an either/or proposition.

 

[po18guy]

That’s a complex theological issue. The Catholic Church would teach that Jesus both redeemed and saved us, it’s not an either/or proposition.

It’s only complex if you begin to argue fine points, IMO. Two steps: 1. Suffering and death = redemption, and 2. Belief and Baptism = salvation. Now, if one throws in a bunch of “what ifs”, it can get complicated, but the OP was asking about the basic concept.

Yes, it is true that Jesus actually does both things, but we must be willing participants, or nothing will happen. We are not saved because of Christ’s death. His death redeemed all, but applies only to those who are baptized and believe. He opened the door to salvation by his death, but we must still walk through the door by making a conscious decision. And, since that door remains open, we must strive to remain within and not wander (or be lured) back out.

 

[diggerdomer]

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Yes, it is true that Jesus actually does both things, but we must be willing participants, or nothing will happen.

infants are not willing participants, and yet the Catholic Church teaches that something happens at their baptism, right?

 

[po18guy]

infants are not willing participants, and yet the Catholic Church teaches that something happens at their baptism, right?

That teaching, in part, comes from Luke 5:17-26, where the faith of the paralytic’s friends brought him forgiveness of sin. And so, the faith and love of a child’s parents bring about remission of sin through Baptism.

 

[diggerdomer]

That teaching, in part, comes from Luke 5:17-26, where the faith of the paralytic’s friends brought him forgiveness of sin. And so, the faith and love of a child’s parents bring about remission of sin through Baptism.

So you agree that infants are not willing participants, yet “something happens”, right?

 

[po18guy]

So you agree that infants are not willing participants, yet “something happens”, right?

Jesus both redeems and saves babies through Baptism and the faith of their parents. Would you argue that a baby born developmentally disabled is then bound for hell?

 

[Prayer_Warrior]

Here is a Q and A from the Catholic Answers site:

Q.
Karl Keating stated in his book Catholicism and Fundamentalism that we are all “redeemed” but we are not all “saved.” What is the difference between the two?

A:
Basically, redemption is collective, while salvation is individual. Christ redeemed humanity collectively from slavery to sin and from the debt of punishment that mankind, as a whole, owed due to sin. Every person, Christian or non-Christian, is redeemed because he is a member of the human race. Salvation is the application of redemption to individuals. A person can choose to reject the graces won for him by Christ even though he has been redeemed.

 

[Beth_Martin]

Just a quick question,

My Catechism teacher told me that there is a difference between being saved and redeemed. He said basically that Jesus redeemed us, i.e. made us right it God’s eyes, however, it us up to us to take the hand of God and be saved. So we have all been redeemed but not all saved.

Is that correct?

Here is the Biblically accurate answer according to what God meant by what He said; the correct interpretation. Answer: Both

You are saved at the moment you came to believe the gospel (justification), you are being saved (sanctification) throughout your life for the conforming of the Christian to the image of Christ, which will not happen till your “full redemption” (saved), which happens the moment, actually faster, that you die because when you see him as He really is in His full glory, then you will be like Him and be fully redeemed.

Keep in mind it is all the work of God even the faith to believe is a gift according to Scripture and there is nothing good inside you or me or anyone in the sight of God that can merit any favor with God because no, not one is righteous before Him. thoses that teach that external procedures, whic require time and preparation and a performance expect to return some type of :saving grace"; negegate grace in and of itself since by definition grace is unmerited favor and it also negates true love, because true love does something from the heart wothout any expectation of anything in return, like what Christ did for the Christian on the cross as the perfect example of the perfect love.

Religious external rites and ceremonies where the participant prepares and performs with the expectation that God “owes” them something, usually “saving” grace is a fallacy and God will and does count this as wages or debt that is due according to Scripture.

Keep in mind when you see redeem in the NT it has the idea that a ranson was paid to release a “slave”; just as when you see Paul and Peter speak of Paul or Peter a “bond-servant” , which is the word “doulos” and always means slave, but because political correctness most translatations will dummyfy the word to “servant” or “bond-servant”, but a person redeemed by the blood of Christ was redeemed by His blood (price paid for release and we become slaves of sin into a slave of Christ) . This also carries into Pauls arguement about when one becomes a Christian, then the old man (the slave to sin) is DEAD and through Jesus death, burial and resurrection, which the Christian goes through with Him becomes a new creation or man IN CHRIST JESUS, we are paid with or redeemed with a price and are now slaves to Jesus, not to sin.

It also flows into the principal of you cannot ,as a slave, serve two masters because you will love one and hate the other. So you are redeemed by His blood ( price paid for release from sin) and saved from the penalty of sin, which is death and you have passed from death (slave to sin) into new life in Christ saved from the penalty or protected from the penalty.

Hope that helps give a better understanding and if you would like to see some Scripture references to see the differences or nuances I can give you some, because although they are different they are so tightly knit that one will not be without the other and your full and complete redemption/glorification will not be fulfilled to you are with him and without this body we battle against daily.

Final note, there are two wrods used in relation to redemption and one is more closely to the word used for saved, than the other, but they are all contained in the same fabric of the Christians salvation and it is ALL of God the Father’s plan; often refered to as the plan of redemption or plan of salvation.

You may want to look at Luke 1:68 and Luke 1:77 to see the closeness.

 

[diggerdomer]

Jesus both redeems and saves babies through Baptism and the faith of their parents. Would you argue that a baby born developmentally disabled is then bound for hell?

Of course not. I think such an idea is ridiculous. No idea why you bring it up, how does it relate to this thread?

And, by the way, I don’t think you answered the question I asked you. It’s fine if you don’t want to, just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss anything.

 

[po18guy]

Of course not. I think such an idea is ridiculous. No idea why you bring it up, how does it relate to this thread?

And, by the way, I don’t think you answered the question I asked you. It’s fine if you don’t want to, just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss anything.

Simple misunderstanding. I thought your post inferred that salvation had to be accomplished by the conscious decision of the individual, rather than also by the conscious decision of parents on behalf of their child. Pardon me for misunderstanding. As to your question, yes, something happens at every Baptism, infant, child or adult.

 

[diggerdomer]

Simple misunderstanding. I thought your post inferred that salvation had to be accomplished by the conscious decision of the individual, rather than also by the conscious decision of parents on behalf of their child. Pardon me for misunderstanding. As to your question, yes, something happens at every Baptism, infant, child or adult.

Thanks. Sorry for any ambiguity on my part. Appreciate it!

 

[po18guy]

Thanks. Sorry for any ambiguity on my part. Appreciate it!

Amen. Christ’s peace be with you.