Does Jesus Sometimes Refuse Mary's Intercessions?

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Does Jesus Sometimes Refuse Mary’s Intercessions?

Is not God the ultimate decision-maker?

Doesn’t He sometimes say no as the answer to our prayers, even if through Mary?

I want to believe that He would not deny prayer requests through Mary, but what is happening when there is no healing, and those who are prayed for ultimately die from their wounds?

In these cases, did God deny Mary’s intercessional requests, or not?

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The only intercession Mary would make would be compatible with the Divine Will.
 
Does this mean that all we can do is pray to her for intercession, but to know that she will not make any requests to her son if He doesnt already will it?
 
That is how I interprete it. All of our prayers of petition should end with “If the Lord wills it”. Mary and the Saints have perfect knowledge of what the Divine Will is. It’s our job to pray for a greater knowing of the Divine Will and act upon it.
 
Essentially, yes. She will not ask anything He would not grant. However she contributes a unique and powerful expression of His power and love.

Here’s an analogy. Ideally a husband and wife are a team and will back each other up fully. Neither one will commit to something the other would object to. Even in that ideal situation, though, the kids are going to figure out quickly when they should ask Mom and when they should ask Dad. Same will, different character.
 
Our goal is heaven, not happiness or fulfillment on earth. God’s will is not the punishment of remaining on this broken earth with sickness, depression, deprivation and all human failure and misery - it is to spend eternity in a glorified body in a perfect existence with Him. No disease. No poverty. No despair - nothing evil.

Occasionally, His will is made clear that we remain here. I am such an example, as there is no earthly explanation for my continuing life. It might be very helpful to read Saint Paul’s teaching in Philippians 1, verses 24 and following. He greatly desired to depart this earth and be with the Lord, yet realized that he had profitable work to do here on earth.

As well, we know that suffering, rightly experienced, is redemptive in nature. Thus, the great Saints embraced suffering, even desired to suffer for the sake of the Kingdom of heaven. That is clearly my challenge at this point.
 
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Thank you for your post.

Yes, you are correct, the apostle Paul did say “I am torn between the two. I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better indeed.”

How is one profitable to God by being destroyed by evil even when wants so much to be delivered? How can you serve when incapacitated despite all prayers-even intercessional prayer to Mother Mary who brings them directly to her son-right?
 
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That makes sense Mary … because when I was in the convent we were taught that Jesus never says no to His mother … and I believe St. Louis de Montfort says that in his book on the Blessed Mother … but I think what you are saying sounds like it could be right … that Mary does not present anything to Jesus that she knows He would not will. Then again I’m not sure about that, based on the writings of St. Louis de Montfort. But what you said made good sense to me also.
 
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You emulate the great Saints, who emulated Christ. You focus on and study the value of suffering, the redemptive power it has. You alter your perspective - a sea change - from victim to blessed. Then, you strive to embrace your suffering, even desiring to suffer for your love of God.

Of this, Saints are made. The Lord strongly desires that we all become Saints and will rush to grant you the grace to endure your suffering, to persevere, to bear your cross. Just ask.

Strange sounding words, but this manner of perceiving suffering works each and every time it is lived out.
 
I believe Mary intercedes for our good upon our humble request even when it is not necessarily in God’s initial plan (notice it never has any affect on God’s will for us). A common mistake is when we think something might be good for us, but our Holy Mother knows better. And it probably isn’t God’s will for us
 
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will rush to grant you the grace to endure your suffering, to persevere, to bear your cross. Just ask.
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I beg the Lord every day, and I think my priest does as well, but hes speaking in latin, so Im not sure what hes actually saying, but he told me to trust Him and that He is stronger, but nothing is working and I have to keep coming back. So, yup, its confirmed I really am a victim of evil, otherwise this priest would not bother to keep seeing me for weeks. I am fighting to get it all fixed and am in it to win it. That is why Im a keeper and he has not fired me yet.

But I digress.

Lets go back to the OP

Feel free to send me a private message and please address the OP

Thank you
 
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I remember a homily I once heard where the priest says something like: “Mary’s will is completely in line with God’s. If Mary does not will it, It’s because God initially doesn’t. If Mary wills it, it’s because God initially wills it. Mary is completely obedient to the will of God.”

Something to ponder on.
 
Thank you for sharing this, it sounds like something I have heard as well.

I dont know how to answer this, so that is why I started this thread.

I am new to the faith.
 
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With each breath, reassure yourself that God is infinitely superior in every respect to the devil. Be not afraid, knowing that you would not be tested if you were not acceptable to God. I have probably mentioned this before, but my absolute favorite verse from the Old Testament is theb Archangel Raphael’s words to Tobit and Tobias:
“Because you were acceptable to God, it was necessary that your faith be tested” Tobit 12:13
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Acceptable to God. For infinite reward, suffering in this temporal world for a limited time is the greatest exchange ever proposed.
 
Thanks for posting.

Can you share anything on the OP?
 
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Mary will present prayers, but never go against God’s will. So, we endeavor to discern God’s will, then beg for the grace to accomplish it and remain faithful to it.

Since we suffer from concupiscence, our will tends to oppose God’s. Thus, we often do not receive what we want from prayer. Why? God knows better. He wants us to be faithful to Him through thick and thin, as He is with us. He wants us to pray each day of our lives, even if it appears to accomplish no good - especially if it appears to accomplish no good. He wants what is eternally best for us, not necessarily what is temporally (here on earth) best for us.
 
Thank you. That is very insightful. I hope that it is true, otherwise it could be just wishful thinking?
 
I can’t give an answer to the OP’s title question, except for a tentative agreement with Weave and mary15 (#2 and #3 above). However, the story that is the prototype for the concept of the Queen Mother’s intercession with Her Son the King on behalf of a supplicant did not turn out at all well for the supplicant. See 1 Kings 2:13-15.

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