Does Mary's reference to Jesus as "Her Son" indicate pride?

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po18guy said:
And here is the problem. Things are not always what they appear to be. There is a larger context in which the totality of the private revelation occurred. Those to whom the revelation was not directed may easily misinterpret the meaning of the revelation.

Why would you doubt Mary’s humility? What is leading you in this direction? To me, that is much more disturbing - and worthy of investigation.
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Im not doubting her humility as she was without sin, but the question came to mind and tho ught id like to talk about it.
 
🙂 We have such a warm affection for Our Lady. If you find some of us seem defensive or protective of her, it is because she is our Mother. Most people don’t respond well to their mother being insulted. I can see you meant no insult, but please understand that some of the responses here are coming from that place–that “hey that’s my Mother you’re talking about” place. 🙂

All private revelations aside, consider this. If you had suffered greatly and a friend asked you personally about it, would it be lacking in humility to acknowledge your suffering? You wouldn’t be on a stage with a mic for the whole world to hear–it would be just you and a friend. Would it be better to lie and say you had not suffered?
 
A person can choose not tp bring up their suffering. The apparition was meant to be talked about and its message spread.

Also, Mary is in Heaven. Venting about suffering should be non existent as God wipes every tear and only goodness exists, I would have thought.
 
TheHolyGhost said:
Indeed, hence the purpose of this thread to hear other explanations.
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Mary gave birth to His human nature, so in that sense she can also be a mother who is pleased with her Son, and claims Him as her own, even if she finds his words and acts incomprehensible.

Still, I truly wonder about some of these private revelations. Mary has extremely few words in scripture. Most of the incredible things that she was presented with, she “pondered in her heart” Yet, according to many of these private revelations, she never shuts up!*

*Observation of mission priest Fr. Antoninus Wall, OP
 
TheHolyGhost said:
Well yes, Jesus is of course Marys son in a very literal and earthly sense, but what about in a spiritual sense? Is Mary on equal level with God or is she still a creature of God?

Even Pope Francis describes himself as “a sinner redeemed by God” when he can just say “Im the Pope. Head of the Church.” So yes while that is true, he chose to describe himself differently, so that other humans can relate.
I was reading Marys words from the apparitions of La Salette and she talks about how we can never understand or repay her for what she has endured in stopping her Son’s heavy arm, despite how unceasingly one might pray and do good works… Essentially saying it will never compare or be as much as shes done (which might be true but this isnt a contest). I read it in a tone of bragging.***

PS, I mean NO disrespect to Blessed Virgin, I am speaking theoretically I think or trying to understand better. Thanks.
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The specific quote would help out quite a bit. Your asking folks to explain your characterization of what she allegedly said.

So were talking about private revelation, probably translated, conveyed through someone other than the alleged visionary…whom you read, and have paraphrased. That’s at least ‘3rd hand.’

It seems rather futile to attempt to dissect a statement, when we don’t even know what was actually (supposedly) said.
 
This is indeed a most curious post by the OP. I have been catholic all my life and never have i heard another catholic refer to Our Lady as prideful or possessive by calling Jesus her son. The fact, as has been explained, is that Jesus is her son. Sometimes, instead of calling him ‘Jesus’, she would say ‘my son’. Jesus wanted to share in our humanity completely, & so chose Our Lady to be ‘his mother’. Also, as another poster has replied, it is rather difficult to fairly comment on quotes you are not providing.
 
TheHolyGhost said:
Im not doubting her humility as she was without sin, but the question came to mind and tho ught id like to talk about it.
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Sometimes questions come to our minds that are not worthy of pursuit. All your statements about what YOU think Mary ought to say or do are futile and close to blasphemous. I hope you realize this. If you don’t, you should.

As I stated before, and you ignored, Mary doesn’t need to explain herself to you or to me or to anyone except God. He has often sent her as his ambassador to various cultures in which Mary has declared who she is, what she can do, and what she wishes. Everything Mary says in such approved apparitions is perfectly in line with Church teaching. If they were not, the apparition would not have been approved in the first place.

Give up this line of questioning because it is unworthy and will only lead you to doubting much more important things than if Mary was sufficiently humble to suit you. We are much better off using our time and thoughts towards concerns over our own humility and our own efforts to please God than to besmirch Mary’s reputation on a Catholic website.
 
If my son was God, you better believe that I would be proud!!!😃

Peace

Tim
 
TheHolyGhost said:
The reality is Mary is God’s daughter and a creature of God, not the other way around. Does her referencing Jesus as “her Son” indicate possessiveness and pride? Should Mary call Jesus, Jesus?
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Not necessarily. How do our mothers refer to us? Christ did not count equality with God something to be grasped (Philippians 2: 6-11); He accepted humanity, including the facts of childbirth, childhood and death.
For if it was never planned that Jesus become incarnate, she would have been born with sin and furthermore not been redeemed?
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“Counterfactuals are always true because the premise is false” (Umberto Eco). God’s plan of salvation was in place from the beginning of the world; what you suppose is impossible.
 
po18guy said:
Mary gave birth to His human nature, so in that sense she can also be a mother who is pleased with her Son, and claims Him as her own, even if she finds his words and acts incomprehensible.
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Hello,

It is important to note that Mary did not give birth to a human nature. She gave birth to a Person who had both divine and human natures.

Dan
 
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