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coolcatholicguy
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Also, do we have to go to Church again on Sunday?
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PatriceA
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Yes you have to go on Sunday. Only masses after 4pm on Saturday would count for the Sunday obligation. Midnight Mass, Christmas Eve/Christmas Day fulfills the Christmas holy day obligation.Also, do we have to go to Church again on Sunday?
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ConstantineTG
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Yes on both accounts.
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ProVobis
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Gets a little tricky at one of the local EF communities.Yes you have to go on Sunday. Only masses after 4pm on Saturday would count for the Sunday obligation. Midnight Mass, Christmas Eve/Christmas Day fulfills the Christmas holy day obligation.
Friday there is a 8pm Christmas Eve Mass.
Saturday there is a 5:30 pm Christmas Day Mass
Sunday there is a 5:30 pm Sunday in Octave of Christmas
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ConstantineTG
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You can’t fulfill 2 obligations on 2 separate days with one Mass. So Saturday afternoon Mass will only count for Sunday if you’ve fulfilled Christmas obligation with an earlier Mass, either same day or evening before.Gets a little tricky at one of the local EF communities.
Friday there is a 8pm Christmas Eve Mass.
Saturday there is a 5:30 pm Christmas Day Mass
Sunday there is a 5:30 pm Sunday in Octave of Christmas
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Robert_Burns
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Yes because Techincally Midnight Mass after 12:00 Midnight takes place on Sunday.Also, do we have to go to Church again on Sunday?
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Can you supply a reference for this?You can’t fulfill 2 obligations on 2 separate days with one Mass. So Saturday afternoon Mass will only count for Sunday if you’ve fulfilled Christmas obligation with an earlier Mass, either same day or evening before.
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ConstantineTG
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Is there a reference for the Church granting 2-for-1s?
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MarkThompson
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Some of us discussed the issue on this thread. I remain of the view that a Mass on Saturday evening would satisfy the obligation for Saturday (Christmas) and Sunday, but apparently others disagree and no one’s found a definitive answer from the Church.Can you supply a reference for this?
Read my posts; it follows from the plain language of the canons themselves.Is there a reference for the Church granting 2-for-1s?
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malphono
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Tricky indeed. But of course it’s not a 2-fer, especially in the EF. This is one where I’d call the parish (actually the priest himself – too often in a mixed-use parish the staff knows next to nothing – and sometimes cares less – about anything to do with the EF) and ask for a clarification as to which Mass for which day.Gets a little tricky at one of the local EF communities.
Friday there is a 8pm Christmas Eve Mass.
Saturday there is a 5:30 pm Christmas Day Mass
Sunday there is a 5:30 pm Sunday in Octave of Christmas
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malphono
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Not necessarily. I remain of the opposing (“no 2-fer”) view. Read my (and some other) posts in that same thread.Some of us discussed the issue on this thread. I remain of the view that a Mass on Saturday evening would satisfy the obligation for Saturday (Christmas) and Sunday, but apparently others disagree and no one’s found a definitive answer from the Church. …
Read my posts; it follows from the plain language of the canons themselves.
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ConstantineTG
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Given that in the US the Bishops already dispense with obligations on Saturdays and Mondays such as for January 1st, is it not a clear indication that two obligations exist for Christmas and Sunday and thus each obligation would need a specific act of going to Mass to fulfill it?Some of us discussed the issue on this thread. I remain of the view that a Mass on Saturday evening would satisfy the obligation for Saturday (Christmas) and Sunday, but apparently others disagree and no one’s found a definitive answer from the Church.
Read my posts; it follows from the plain language of the canons themselves.
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MarkThompson
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That conclusion does not follow from the premise. The fact that the holiness of each day must be recognized by attending Mass on it, or on the evening of the preceding day, simply does not imply that these must be two separate Masses. It doesn’t necessarily contradict that theory either, and if some other canon said that it has to be two Masses, then that would also be consistent with the way these obligations are expressed. But there’s no such other canon, so there’s no basis for increasing the obligation to “one Mass per day of obligation” rather than “attend Mass on any day of obligation or the evening of the preceding day,” which is obviously a different standard.Given that in the US the Bishops already dispense with obligations on Saturdays and Mondays such as for January 1st, is it not a clear indication that two obligations exist for Christmas and Sunday and thus each obligation would need a specific act of going to Mass to fulfill it?
But the latter is what the canons really say: the obligation is that “[o]n Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are obliged to participate in the Mass” (“fideles obligatione tenentur Missam participandi”), “either on the feast day itself or in the evening of the preceding day.” It doesn’t say, “for each Sunday or other holy day of obligation, the faithful are obligated to participate in a Mass.”
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PatriceA
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I thought the OP was referring to Midnight Mass for Christmas, which technically takes place at 12 am Friday/Saturday, not Sunday.Yes because Techincally Midnight Mass after 12:00 Midnight takes place on Sunday.
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PatriceA
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It is for this exact situation that my parish is not having their regularly scheduled Saturday vigil masses this year on Christmas Day. The last mass for Christmas is scheduled for noon, Saturday so that people don’t try to fulfill both the Christmas holy day obligation with the Sunday obligation with one mass.Gets a little tricky at one of the local EF communities.
Friday there is a 8pm Christmas Eve Mass.
Saturday there is a 5:30 pm Christmas Day Mass
Sunday there is a 5:30 pm Sunday in Octave of Christmas
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ConstantineTG
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And with a lot of parishes doing that, I think its clear that there are no 2-for-1s and the pastors are sending a clear signal by making such schedule arrangements.It is for this exact situation that my parish is not having their regularly scheduled Saturday vigil masses this year on Christmas Day. The last mass for Christmas is scheduled for noon, Saturday so that people don’t try to fulfill both the Christmas holy day obligation with the Sunday obligation with one mass.
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ProVobis
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What’s interesting is that the way it’s set up, I could fulfill the Sunday obligation with the 4pm Saturday OF (at another parish) and then the Christmas/Saturday obligation at 5:30pm at the EF. Within two hours, both obligations are fulfilled and done in reverse order.It is for this exact situation that my parish is not having their regularly scheduled Saturday vigil masses this year on Christmas Day. The last mass for Christmas is scheduled for noon, Saturday so that people don’t try to fulfill both the Christmas holy day obligation with the Sunday obligation with one mass.
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At_Trent
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It’s simple. Midnight Mass is Christmas day Mass.
I’ve never seen a parish schedule a Sunday Mass on a Saturday that Christmas falls on.
I’ve never seen a parish schedule a Sunday Mass on a Saturday that Christmas falls on.
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ProVobis
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Apparently the Christmas Midnight Mass is a dying practice.
huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/21/midnight-mass-in-chicago_n_799738.html
huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/21/midnight-mass-in-chicago_n_799738.html
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PJM
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Midnight Mass fulfills our Holyday Obligation [Christmas] but not also Sunday. yes we still have to go to Sunday Mass.=coolcatholicguy;7390443]Also, do we have to go to Church again on Sunday?
Mery Christmas
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