Does Modern Society Unfairly Portray the 1950s?

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From the Bible: What is truth? John 18:38.

People used marijuana in the 1950s. A movie is propaganda, it is not truth. The same with war films. Both are not documentaries.

I was told about people who might lure me and other kids into their cars with candy or just for a ride. I wasn’t afraid. I got fair warning. It never happened. I knew what I needed to know and that was all.

There is this totally fake narrative that the passage of time accomplishes something. It doesn’t. Only people accomplish things, good and bad. Creating false “facts” is another problem. Followed by the Marxist/Communist Utopia concept created by people with itching ears.
 
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The push in our state has been to paint marijuana as this harmless thing, and that just isn’t true.
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Whatever our personal opinions, people should have the freedom to use it. Yeah, it doesn’t make for the best study mate, but that’s something we have to let adult students reckon with on their own.
 
The big one for me is the option to support myself independently of my family or of marriage. Remember for people like me it’s pretty common for converting to result in losing all support from family and the entire community you grow up with. It’s not something that people are just going to be ok with. Mobility also helps a lot, if only by meaning you can find a new community more easily.

The higher availability of a woman being able to live on her own without a ton of rumors flying around also helps.
 
The “marijuana business” has a goal besides selling the drug. They want to “reduce stigma” so they can sell more. I saw a person recently who had just used marijuana who admitted to me he had trouble concentrating. Not good.
 
edwest211 said:
From the Bible: What is truth? John 18:38.

People used marijuana in the 1950s. A movie is propaganda, it is not truth. The same with war films. Both are not documentaries.

I was told about people who might lure me and other kids into their cars with candy or just for a ride. I wasn’t afraid. I got fair warning. It never happened. I knew what I needed to know and that was all.

There is this totally fake narrative that the passage of time accomplishes something. It doesn’t. Only people accomplish things, good and bad. Creating false “facts” is another problem. Followed by the Marxist/Communist Utopia concept created by people with itching ears.
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Edwest, we in Oregon now know that we had priests luring kids back then. They were able to do it because of this widespread view that a priest would never do that. The bishops thought that repenting would cure them. Well, 99% of priests would never do that, priests are and always have been safer than your uncle or the married man next door, but people are not safe just because they’ve taught us to trust them. No, repenting is not good enough to prevent re-offense. Someone who does that needs to never be around kids any more. Things were not as great as we thought, which means we can’t go back to the way things never were in the first place. We have to be realistic about what parts of the 1950s can be “returned to.” Some parts, yes. Not everything. Some of it was just not what we thought it was. I’m not blaming anybody who believed what they were taught, but now that we know better we have to admit that, too, just as we have to take a hard look at the difference between today’s propoganda and reality.

We don’t need the 1950s. What we need are the truths that we accepted in the 1950s, minus the myths that we thought were true but weren’t and still aren’t.
 
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And we don’t need the “modern myths” being created today by deviant persons.
 
edwest211 said:
You ignore the luring of kids in public schools and other institutions going on today.
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It’s not going on in Catholic schools, at least not here in Oregon. I don’t know if you’ve taken the safe environment training they have now, but in Oregon things are totally different. The schools, the churches, CYO and the rest take these things very seriously. When you go out to other youth programs, the lack of change is shocking, frankly. Not surprisingly, the problems are now turning up in youth sports programs. Why people think “that can happen to them, it won’t happen to us,” I have no idea. No, it has been happening in your programs, too.

The good part of that CPS investigation and others like it is that now students are being taught to make reports and staff and teachers are learning how to avoid false allegations and to spot grooming behaviors. We have no idea how rampant those problems were, back when they were never investigated.

It was kind of sad for me at first to find all of the things that we can’t do with kids any more, but when innocent adults learn not to do the sorts of things that predators use to groom children and select victims, the red flags go up much faster with the kids when would-be predators try that kind of thing. Yes, I’d like to be able to just give a kid a big hug, but you know, it is better that they learn to kind of wonder about people who approach them in that way. It is worth it to make Catholic schools and churches a very bad hunting ground.

In the 1950s, a child who tried to make a report against a respected authority figure, the victim was often not believed. Sometimes, they were punished or shamed. If the behavior was found out, they sometimes were even given some of the blame. The same thing happened to rape victims. There are ways in which things are better now.
 
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Well as one who grew up in the 1950’s, I saw the change in the culture in the 60’s as the Vietnam War was the main driver.

Kids mostly opposed the draft and opposed the establishment. .Use of marijuana and of course LSD, became widespread among young people. Protests against the establishment which was the cause of the Vietnam war and the draft, were everywhere. Heck, protestors were shot at Kent State U, over it all.

The 1960’s hippie generation in many aspects, was a selfish generation.

If there was no draft, I don’t think we would’ve see the culture change as it happened as the war would’ve gone on without much protests. Heck, look at Afghanistan and Iraq, few if any protests against those two boondoggles.

Anyway, hindsight is 20/20, but not for everyone it seems.

Jim
 
Back then “when they were never investigated…” There it is. That unsupported narrative about “back then.”

Again, broaden your focus beyond the Church and Church schools. You think kids were unaware of predators? I wasn’t. My parents weren’t. It’s as if the 1950s are being unfairly painted as this time period where people did not warn their kids about things like this. And parents engaged the schools more. Not just Catholic but public. PTA meetings and all that. Use a wide-angle lens.
 
The Vietnam War is the current smoke screen. I got my draft card for the Vietnam War, did you? People went to serve their country. No, the MAIN DRIVER was sex and drug perverts who wanted their “Sexual Revolution” so they could get “permission” to have sex with whoever, whenever and use illegal drugs. NO FAKE INFO please.
 
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Back then “when they were never investigated…” There it is. That unsupported narrative about “back then.”

Again, broaden your focus beyond the Church and Church schools. You think kids were unaware of predators? I wasn’t. My parents weren’t. It’s as if the 1950s are being unfairly painted as this time period where people did not warn their kids about things like this. And parents engaged the schools more. Not just Catholic but public. PTA meetings and all that. Use a wide-angle lens.
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Yes, we have from family experience (and my own experience) the knowledge that things happened in the 20th century that are being brought to an end in the 21st. I was warned about strangers. I was not warned about people my parents trusted. They were assumed to be OK. Well, my classmate’s uncle was not OK. Everybody thought he was a great guy; he was not a great guy. He was sexually abusing his nieces. That was in the 1970s. My mother was in school in the 1940s; she said one of her classmates got pregnant while she was still innocent about how it was a woman gets pregnant. No, people did not know a fraction about predators that we know now. Not even a fraction. I will not go into what happened to me except to say that it would never happen now, and that’s a very good thing.

That isn’t to say that there wasn’t a lot of things right in the 1950s. It is to say that we would not be better off trying to get into a time machine. We ought to choose what worked but not put on some rosy glasses with this idea that the myths were the reality.
 
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I had a draft card, but my number was out of reach

However, I enlisted and served in the Marines, 1970

Sex didn’t cause the huge protests and violence like outside the Democratic Convention.

Yeah there was a sexual revolution, but I think you’re too focused on this part and miss the bigger picture.

Jim
 
So that will be your focus as this thread closes? Focus on the most dramatic for the most impact? I prefer presenting the entire picture. Again, no one knew. No one knew how women got pregnant. Oh boy.

Most people I knew grew up on farms or had relatives who did or still lived there. They knew all about how babies were made. Even in the 1960s, my mother would laugh about people who thought food came from the store – as opposed to being grown on a farm. Get your facts in order.

Meanwhile, for a few years now, the CDC has been reporting an STD epidemic in the US. I get total silence on that point. Apparently, all those years of Sex ED. were worthless, Started, by the way, because mom and dad were painted as too embarrassed, too incompetent, etc. They did not know how they got their own kids?
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I had a draft card, but my number was out of reach

However, I enlisted and served in the Marines, 1970

Sex didn’t cause the huge protests and violence like outside the Democratic Convention.

Yeah there was a sexual revolution, but I think you’re too focused on this part and miss the bigger picture.

Jim
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There was a lot of turmoil over a lot of things, but I think the changes started in the 1950s themselves and even before. There wasn’t this Shangri-La that was upset when the clock struck midnight on Jan. 1, 1960, and the times weren’t this horrible repressive age with no awareness of what changes needed to happen in the area of social justice. Those two views are both really wrong.

The Vietnam War was a huge miscalculation. The government pretty much ignored the need for public support for an ongoing military campaign like that. People bad-mouth how “ignorant” common people are, but the public has a lot of common sense, after all, if they are told the truth instead of fed ad-campaign propoganda.

When I hear about the way things were in the big cities in the 1960s, it makes my hair curl. I remember my research director said single women would go to bars in San Francisco with their packed overnight bags with them! (ACK!!) Luckily, I was out in the sticks, where things were still more stable (and to some extent, still are about as stable as you’re likely to find).
 
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Oh yes it did. The Democratic Convention was infiltrated by radicals and anarchists who hated it. They hated it because another Kennedy might become President. They hated it because it was for good. Today, it is not.
 
False. Totally false. The run-up to the end of the 1950s saw an increase of danger to the world and the prospect of social upheaval was far off. If it wasn’t for people appearing in our neighborhoods in the mid-1960s, peace and quiet and stability might have remained. But the mission was clear: destroy the family, destroy authentic male-female relationships, legalize abortion… It’s all there, year by year.

And attack the Church from the inside. “Social justice” is the fake term for lots of sex and lots of drugs.
 
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The 1950’s was a great time to grow up

There was a draft as my own uncle was drafted the same time as Elvis Presley. There was no war after Korea, so there was no protests against the draft.

The 1960’s didn’t just change like turning on a light switch, but began after JFK’s assassination and as we learned LBJ was bombing North Vietnam without informing the public. He then ramped up the draft and boots on the ground in Vietnam and that began the large opposition to the war, the draft and to the establishment.

Older people like my parents and uncles, believed and supported the government, and never believed that the president would lie to them. They had gone through the Great Depression and WWII, so they had great faith in the government and patriotism,

Vietnam Protests turned their stomachs. I remember my father calling them “Communists,” as he watched the news reports on TV

Jim
 
Do you know why the Vietnam War started? Apparently not. The government talked about a “domino effect” regarding a Communist takeover. The marines landed in 1965, the Chinese detonated their first atom bomb the year before. Containment was the strategy. That is reality from the time.
 
What? Look up the “Gulf of Tonkin” incident. Look up actual history regarding French involvement in Vietnam. Look up actual history regarding the US sending air support to help a surrounded French garrison at Dien Bien Phu in 1954. Do the research and then get back to us.
 
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