Does Modern Society Unfairly Portray the 1950s?

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The “marijuana business” has a goal besides selling the drug. They want to “reduce stigma” so they can sell more. I saw a person recently who had just used marijuana who admitted to me he had trouble concentrating. Not good.
“Had trouble concentrating.” Oh, the horror.

If you don’t like marijuana, then don’t use it. For myself and a lot of other people I know, marijuana has helped us deal with the stress of both daily life and our respective medical ailments in a way that actually improves our overall function. It specifically helped me to stop cutting and abusing alcohol, potentially saving my life.
 
False. Totally false. The run-up to the end of the 1950s saw an increase of danger to the world and the prospect of social upheaval was far off. If it wasn’t for people appearing in our neighborhoods in the mid-1960s, peace and quiet and stability might have remained. But the mission was clear: destroy the family, destroy authentic male-female relationships, legalize abortion… It’s all there, year by year.

And attack the Church from the inside. “Social justice” is the fake term for lots of sex and lots of drugs.
That is simply wrong. The Church has been concerned about social justice down through the ages and in the modern sense of the term at least since Rerum Novarum was promulgated in by Pope Leo XIII in 1891, all the way up to the present. It has nothing to do with lots of sex and drugs. (Good grief, where do people get this stuff?) You have social justice mixed up with popular music, I think?

I think Jackie Robinson and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, would quibble with your idyllic concept of the state of “social upheaval” in the United States. Those “quiet” neighborhoods weren’t so quiet when the “wrong” kind of people were allowed to move in. If the prospect of social upheaval seemed far off, it was because people were largely oblivious to how untenable the social order was. If you think that social world had any chance of going on indefinitely or even that it should have, I think you are very much mistaken. Stability based on forcibly separating neighborhoods by ethnic group was not worth preserving–and yes, it was an imposed separation. (I’m going to trust that you won’t even argue that “everybody wanted it that way, everybody liked it.”)
 
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Do you know why the Vietnam War started? Apparently not. The government talked about a “domino effect” regarding a Communist takeover. The marines landed in 1965, the Chinese detonated their first atom bomb the year before. Containment was the strategy. That is reality from the time.
I am aware what the strategy was. Was it really realistic? Would you argue the US would wage that conflict in just the same way, if the decisions were to be made over again?
 
That is simply wrong. The Church has been concerned about social justice down through the ages and in the modern sense of the term at least since Rerum Novarum was promulgated in by Pope Leo XIII in 1891, all the way up to the present. It has nothing to do with lots of sex and drugs. (Good grief, where do people get this stuff?) You have social justice mixed up with popular music, I think?

I think Jackie Robinson and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, would quibble with your idyllic concept of the state of “social upheaval” in the United States. Those “quiet” neighborhoods weren’t so quiet when the “wrong” kind of people were allowed to move in. If the prospect of social upheaval seemed far off, it was because people were largely oblivious to how untenable the social order was. If you think that social world had any chance of going on indefinitely or even that it should have, I think you are very much mistaken. Stability based on forcibly separating neighborhoods by ethnic group was not worth preserving–and yes, it was an imposed separation. (I’m going to trust that you won’t even argue that “everybody wanted it that way, everybody liked it.”)
This.

 
“Had trouble concentrating.” Oh, the horror.

If you don’t like marijuana, then don’t use it. For myself and a lot of other people I know, marijuana has helped us deal with the stress of both daily life and our respective medical ailments in a way that actually improves our overall function. It specifically helped me to stop cutting and abusing alcohol, potentially saving my life.
It has uses. That does not argue in its favor as a habitual recreational habit.

When you employ someone to do a job or you see another driver coming at you down the road, whether that other person has “trouble concentrating” is your business. I’m getting so sick of the implication that marijuana use is nothing like drinking to drunkeness, that using marijuana is a “if you don’t like it, don’t use it” proposition. No, people who use ought to be concerned about cultivating a societally-acceptable level of use, not a “the amount I use and what it does to me is my business, not yours” level of use. Immoderate users don’t need societal cover like that.

And yes, I have run into employees who were obviously using while on the job. Oh wow, were they obviously using. Yes, their ability to concentrate is my business.
 
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So, all of those campaigns by the Church to convince us guys to not date morally loose women never happened? Those booklets in the front of the Church about wrong sexuality weren’t there? And let’s just assume that social upheaval for social justice had a few good goals but what was Martin Luther King Jr.'s strategy? Non-violence. Compare that to “We’ll burn this country down if we have to.” Do you know the lies the American people were told before abortion was legalized?


And the lies and misdirection and false information I see here. The Vietnam War started it. Vatican II started it. I am glad Martin Luther King Jr., was the leader of the Civil Rights Movement in 1955. But that needs to be separated from the marketing of sexual perversion and sexually perverse lifestyles up till today. I saw it happen in real time. Where do I get this? How is this relevant today?

https://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Makeover-Transformed-Conformed-Culture/dp/1586175610
 
Containment. Containing the spread of Communism. Russia was our sworn enemy. If you ever read anything in-depth about the Vietnam War you would know it had no actual ending scenario. No “capture Berlin, shake hands with the Russians” scenario. It was an open-ended conflict that was managed by armchair generals in Washington. No one knew that in 1965. No one. I was there.
 
Where did that even come from? Morally loose women? I just told you that my mother’s classmate did not know how women get pregnant before she herself got pregnant!! Yes, I know from my friends how some of the guys talked in high schools, even the Catholic high schools. Don’t give me the “we were all taught to be gentlemen and that’s what we were” line. No, the gentlemen I know have stories to tell about their peers that would curl your hair. It disgusted them. If you claim that just wasn’t part of the male psyche in the 1950s, let’s say I have my doubts about your recollections. There was a lot more caution before women could get the Pill, I won’t deny that. The couples weren’t all chaste and pure with the exception of a few sluts that all the good men agreed they would studiously avoid. (Oh please.)
 
Obviously if it’s affecting concentration at work then that’s something that needs to be addressed. However, providing it as an example of how “dangerous” marijuana is really doesn’t cut it for me. Alcohol (and even caffeine) have done much worse things to me, but that doesn’t mean that other people are incapable of using those substances in a healthy and responsible way.
 
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I am talking about recorded history, not recollections. I remember the “cool kids” at my Catholic school. And I remember the public school kids that would come by. The documented fact is sexual perverts wanted their way. Girlie mag.s of the late 1950s were literally sold under the counter. The graphic, gynecological sex photos that appeared throughout the West in the 1970s were funded and published by persons unknown and they knew it would increase temptations and cause addictions. You appear to not want to address this at all.

Girls in high school knew what sex was. That’s why their parents wouldn’t let them date until they were 16, and then, a strict deadline to the guy about bringing her home, about introducing her to the family. And chaperones. I am convinced you know little actual history about dating at the time.

Mom and dad did tell their sons and daughters about sex.
 
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Obviously if it’s affecting concentration at work then that’s something that needs to be addressed. However, providing it as an example of how “dangerous” marijuana is really doesn’t cut it for me. Alcohol (and even caffeine) have done much worse things to me, but that doesn’t mean that other people are incapable of using those substances in a healthy and responsible way.
The problem is that here in Oregon there are people who talk about marijuana use with essentially no recognition that it can be problematic. It has gone over to the other extreme entirely. (Well, the other problem is overinvestment in marijuana shops. They can’t all survive.)
 
I’ve done the research the French should never have been given back Vietnam, but given Ho Chi Minh the independence he sought from Churchill and Truman. Both ignored him and in fact, Churchill told the guards to remove the peasant.

So, Ho turned to the Communists who were all to willing to help

JFK sent advisors into Vietnam, but advised him that it was not a winnable war. We don’t know what JFK would’ve done as he was killed. However, we know what both LBJ did and Nixon and they both killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Vietnamese and Cambodians.

I served in the military during that time, did you ?

Jim
 
I just would like to make a random post with regards to what has already been posted here.

Does anyone else find it so very sad that so many people apparently can’t be happy in the time they are living. Afterall, if I remember correctly, Catholics are sort of taught that their existence isn’t a mistake. We are intentionally here in this time because it is right where God wants us. There was no mistake in us being placed here, right now. Isn’t that correct?

There is nothing wrong at all with reflecting on the “good old days”. There is nothing wrong, either, with reflecting on history and recognizing the bad parts and considering how we can incorporate the lessons learned into the way we live our life today. But some of the posts here give the impression that some really feel ripped off that they live now, rather than then. It is really sad.

I, for one, love the time we have been given in the here and now. Yes, if I let myself go wild I yell at the tv every night when I turn it on because I just can’t beleive the news and what I am seeing. But it doesn’t make me wish I lived in the 50’s, that is certain. I embrace all of our conveniences. And one of the best parts for me is the diversity we have now in common society, and the freedom of choice we have had like never before in our history (U.S., here).

Anyhow, that is my takeaway from what I have read here. I won’t take my happiness at living in today’s world for granted anymore. I had no idea there were so many people who see the glass half empty.
 
The United States provided aircraft to the Nationalist Chinese from 1929 to 1949. That support ended when one month after the Russians detonated their first atom bomb, the Chinese Civil War was over. The Communists seized power. The Nationalists fled to Taiwan which is an issue today between the US and China.

We know exactly what JFK would do about Vietnam: bring our troops home. He said as much in a televised “Rose Garden” interview. The Stars & Stripes reported it. “U.S. Troops seen out of Viet by '65” No, false information is too prevalent today. In that interview, President Kennedy said “it is their war” meaning the Vietnamese in the South. The US would provide material aid but that was all.
 
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I am talking about recorded history, not recollections. I remember the “cool kids” at my Catholic school. And I remember the public school kids that would come by. The documented fact is sexual perverts wanted their way. Girlie mag.s of the late 1950s were literally sold under the counter. The graphic, gynecological sex photos that appeared throughout the West in the 1970s were funded and published by persons unknown and they knew it would increase temptations and cause addictions. You appear to not want to address this at all.

Girls in high school knew what sex was. That’s why their parents wouldn’t let them date until they were 16, and then, a strict deadline to the guy about bringing her home, about introducing her to the family. And chaperones. I am convinced you know little actual history about dating at the time.

Mom and dad did tell their sons and daughters about sex.
Yes. I didn’t date until I was 16. There were no introductions needed to anyone’s family, as my parents knew all the other families. If you think the danger in letting young people date is that they “know what sex is,” you are really mistaken. The mental hygiene films in the schools weren’t documentaries. No, the issue was not “sexual perverts” who wanted their way. The issue was the fiction that only sluts and sexual perverts had sex before their wedding night. Good grief, even my parents spent time together without a chaperone. They were married in the 1940s, and Dad went to the seminary high school.

You can see that the rates of birth by unmarried women started turning up in the 1940s. It did not magically spike in the 1960s:


(Look at Figure 2, the birth rates among unmarried women. The uptick, including in the 15-19 age group, clearly started way back in the 1940s. It didn’t just jump from 0 to 60 mph in the 1960s.)
 
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There’s that fake word - diversity. There were no blacks, Asians and other people of color until today? Stop the fake narrative.

And convenience? There’s too much convenience.
 
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No it’s common sense. There is no need for a special handicapped spot when one is able to walk all around town. To deny this common sense is ludicrous. I’m not talking about you on a bus. I’m talking about a parking spot. We can’t be skeptical? We have to be naive about everything? The fact is people do take advantage of the system. If you can’t see this then I’m through discussing it.
It is so tempting, isn’t it, to try to figure out if someone needs a handicapped decal (and if so, why)?

I find myself doing this sometimes. Within 30 seconds, though I am ashamed of myself for doing so because it is so wrong.

First, it is none of my business. Unless the decal is stolen, the person had to have a medical doctor sign off on it. Second, it is presuming the worst about someone I know nothing about.

I choose to send a quick prayer out to the universe (I am agnostic, but it would work just as well for you say a prayer to God) asking two things: 1) care of the person who has the handicapp decal, whatever their condition is, and 2) guidance for me that I may assume positive intent, especially when something isn’t my business.

Works well!
 
There’s that fake word - diversity. There were no blacks, Asians and other people of color until today? Stop the fake narrative.
None where I grew up, unless you count the neighbors of my friend whose house burned down before they had to move.
And convenience? There’s too much convenience.
No internet forums to waste my day on in 1950, that’s for sure, lol…
 
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