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Fire, retribution, pain, idea of “place,” temporal measurement of time.What does this mean?
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Marduk
Fire, retribution, pain, idea of “place,” temporal measurement of time.What does this mean?
Lets say I give you this, where was he experiening it at? In heaven or hell? Because you deny purgatory. so where was he.He was experiencing the foretaste of eternal damnation (hell).
Actually scripture does. That story was in the bible and part of Holy Scripture and Tradition long before the split.It is very simple rinnie. Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition does not point to such a doctrine. When the Churches were one, such an odd doctrine did not exist.
ps–I also do not accept the RC theory of development of this doctrine after the Churches split.
Interesting. You deny that “purgatory” might be a place. And you deny that “purgatory” might involve suffering by fire.Fire, retribution, pain, idea of “place,” temporal measurement of time.
Newsflash. The general Resurrection has not yet ocurred. What do you think he was experiencing? Here is a clue: His tongue was burning. He was begging for a drop of water.Lets say I give you this, where was he experiening it at? In heaven or hell? Because you deny purgatory. so where was he.
Where?Actually scripture does.
In that story. Jesus said that the rich man could see Lazurus and Lazurus looked pretty happy. He was indeed in heaven was he not. Because if there was no heaven then where was Lazurus?Where?
Also Hell is total separation from God, how did Abraham get there. Are you saying Abraham was in hell. I know what he was experiencing I want to hear you answer.Newsflash. The general Resurrection has not yet ocurred. What do you think he was experiencing? Here is a clue: His tongue was burning. He was begging for a drop of water.
Do you think that purgatory is a third place?
You are confused. I am talking about the rich man. Lazarus was elsewhere with Abraham.Also Hell is total separation from God, how did Abraham get there. Are you saying Abraham was in hell. I know what he was experiencing I want to hear you answer.
I thought you were trying to make a case for purgatory?In that story. Jesus said that the rich man could see Lazurus and Lazurus looked pretty happy. He was indeed in heaven was he not. Because if there was no heaven then where was Lazurus?
I never said he was, you did. Who was the rich man talking to, and where was he when he was talking?You are confused. I am talking about the rich man. Lazarus was elsewhere with Abraham.
Why would you say that Abraham is in hell?
Where? Please do not invent things.I never said he was, you did.
Not only I am going to make it, I am going to win it!I thought you were trying to make a case for purgatory?![]()
Gotta love the ego.Not only I am going to make it, I am going to win it!
How can this be. Lets start again, who was the rich man talking to, and where was he when he was talking to this person? (it may take me while to get back to you. don’t think I am ignoring you, I work at home and have 2 colors comming any minute).You are confused. I am talking about the rich man. Lazarus was elsewhere with Abraham.
Why would you say that Abraham is in hell?
It should also be observed that the Rich Man saw Abraham with Lazarus in his bosom. He saw the glory of Abraham, but he had no share in this glory. By contrast, Lazarus both saw it and participated in it. This is a very significant point, for it shows that in that other life everyone will see God, but the righteous will have communion, participation, while the sinners will not. A characteristic example is what Christ said about the coming judgement. All will see the Judge, all will converse with Him, but some will enjoy His glory and others will experience the caustic energy of divine grace.Lets start again, who was the rich man talking to, and where was he when he was talking to this person?
That’s fine. I don’t mind if they disagree with me. I’m secure in the fact that the Magisterium does not impose their particularly Latin beliefs on me. I believe exactly what the DOGMA states as a faithful Catholic.Interesting. You deny that “purgatory” might be a place. And you deny that “purgatory” might involve suffering by fire.
I think there are many Roman Catholics that might disagree with you.
Are you not compelled to accept these “particularly Latin beliefs” of the Magisterium under pain of ex-communication.I’m secure in the fact that the Magisterium does not impose their particularly Latin beliefs on me.
The particularly Latin beliefs are not dogmatic, so I’m not compelled to accept any of them. I accept the dogma and that’s the only thing I as a faithful Orthodox in communion with Rome am required to accept.Are you not compelled to accept these “particularly Latin beliefs” of the Magisterium under pain of ex-communication.
I hope any Latin Catholics that read this would offer their opinion if they are insulted that I do not accept the particularly Latin beliefs on Purgatory.I would think that your comment may offend many Latin Catholics.
I can’t speak for other Catholics but I was a pre-VatII Latin cradle Catholic who left the Church and later, as a Protestant, rejected the doctrine of purgatory outright as unbiblical but even then I never considered the language which described it as a “place” with fire and punishment to be necessarily literal. We were even told back then, I believe, that the idea of it being a place was probably a figurative usage of the word-that we didn’t know exactly how the program worked “there”.Are you not compelled to accept these “particularly Latin beliefs” of the Magisterium under pain of ex-communication.
I would think that your comment may offend many Latin Catholics.