Does sex, becoming one flesh, make you married?

[Vico]

I already acknowledged “administer” was the term I meant.

The Catechism recognizes the "indespensible element of a marriage is the consent. But sex is also binding, even in porneia. The release of porneia is confession unto absolution.

OK. Whatever that kind of bond is, it is not marriage.

 

[rcwitness]

Well our Bible commentary calls it an anti-type of marriage

 

[Elizabeth3]

But sex is also binding, even in porneia. The release of porneia is confession unto absolution.

It’s binding in what way? Other than a carnal (fleshly) union that is not exclusive or lasting beyond the physical act.

 

[rcwitness]

rcwitness:

But sex is also binding, even in porneia. The release of porneia is confession unto absolution.

It’s binding in what way? Other than a carnal (fleshly) union that is not exclusive or lasting beyond the physical act.

If it was binding only until the act is finished, there would be no consequences. The consequence is death.

But it’s not just binding like any other sin, but also connected to the person who you are joined with.

All I’m saying, is that porneia can be dissolved, but only through forgiveness by Christ. Until then, it is a bond between the couple.

Note! I am not asserting this as anything authoritative. It’s my theology.

I also respect many things you’ve said!

 

[Chicken_Pigeon]

It’s my theology.

Huh?!

BAWKBAWK

 

[rcwitness]

That doesn’t mean it’s not compatible with the faith.

At least Elizabeth is respectfully discussing her understanding of the faith.

 

[Chicken_Pigeon]

I’m respectful. I just can’t help making noises

Bokbok

 

[rcwitness]

Well can you explain Paul’s use of the phrase which describes marriage?

I realize it’s not Christian marriage… and even its anti-type. But nevertheless a type of marriage and union.

The difference is one is indissoluble and the other we are called to flee from

 

[Elizabeth3]

If it was binding only until the act is finished, there would be no consequences. The consequence is death.

First, you need to define what you mean by binding. Who is bound to what or who and what is the nature of the bond?

Second, in fornication, the persons who commit the act could be bound in mortal sin until they confess but there is no bond between the persons themselves beyond the physical act.

But it’s not just binding like any other sin, but also connected to the person who you are joined with.

Connected in that both people may have committed a mortal sin.

All I’m saying, is that porneia can be dissolved, but only through forgiveness by Christ. Until then, it is a bond between the couple.

Note! I am not asserting this as anything authoritative. It’s my theology.

Ok but that’s not Catholic teaching.

 

[rcwitness]

Ok but that’s not Catholic teaching.

I’m not necessarily convinced.

What Teaching expresses that a bond between the two is not established until forgiveness?

As for entering a true Christian marriage by someone who doesn’t seek forgiveness of their past porneia, maybe this brings spirits into the relationship? I don’t know. But it’s not healthy at all.

 

[Elizabeth3]

What Teaching expresses that a bond between the two is not established until forgiveness?

There is none. However, neither is there a teaching that a bond IS established until forgiveness. The CCC describes fornication as a carnal (fleshly or animalistic, if you will) union. Beyond that, it doesn’t state the two people are bound to each other in any way until they seek forgiveness.

As for entering a true Christian marriage by someone who doesn’t seek forgiveness of their past porneia, maybe this brings spirits into the relationship? I don’t know. But it’s not healthy at all.

Of course it’s not spiritually healthy to be in a state of mortal sin. Ones very salvation is at stake and it can predispose a person to committing other grave sins as well.