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setter
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It always amusing to me how devotion to one’s favorite coffee, or ________ of choice, can bring out the most silly and defensive responses. This suggest the presence of pride or an inordinate attachment of sorts in the face of the facts, i.e., “No one is telling what I can or cannot do!” …“I can still enjoy my Starbucks!”. Thanks! for the chuckle.
Btw – To answer the OP question: Yes, Starbucks irrefutably and undeniably does support Planned Parenthood through their corporate funding. It is up to folks to develop a listening conscience to take whatever measured response against such a corporate funding of evil that they deem appropriate.
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setter
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My guess that if it was 20+ years ago, and there was only one company in the US supporting PP through coprorate matching funds, good Catholic folks would not be so contrite (and resigned) in their patronage of such a company. See how funding of evil has become minimized/marginalized when lost in the landscape of pervasive copropate practices which support or enable the spread of evil as a normal feature and growing fabric of our society?
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maria322
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worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45694
This -]doesn’t/-] DOES answer the question about Banned Parenthood, AND they do support other interesting and nauseating causes. Just read the article and think twice about how good that cup of Starbucks is. It isn’t.
This -]doesn’t/-] DOES answer the question about Banned Parenthood, AND they do support other interesting and nauseating causes. Just read the article and think twice about how good that cup of Starbucks is. It isn’t.
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Bella3502
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Yah, it’s true… Lot’s of Catholics go to Starbuck’s for coffee. Some of us even go right after Mass.
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AndrewLong
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I go to Starbucks all the time, and will still go after reading this entire thread.
We’ve come to a point in the existence of this earth where it’s going to be harder and harder to give money to places that use it in only the manner we choose. It’s unavoidable that we’re not contributing to some sort of “evil”.
It was said earlier in this thread – should we grow our own food? Build our own houses? Make our own clothes? Until that day, we need not criticize other’s companies choices. They choose their eternal outcome.
Just because I buy some coffee, does not mean I agree with their ethics.
Would you take the coffee if it was free? Of course you would.
We’ve come to a point in the existence of this earth where it’s going to be harder and harder to give money to places that use it in only the manner we choose. It’s unavoidable that we’re not contributing to some sort of “evil”.
It was said earlier in this thread – should we grow our own food? Build our own houses? Make our own clothes? Until that day, we need not criticize other’s companies choices. They choose their eternal outcome.
Just because I buy some coffee, does not mean I agree with their ethics.
Would you take the coffee if it was free? Of course you would.
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AES
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A prayer warrior fights the evil not joins them! Know thy enemy and prepare for battle by learning the fight for the cause JUSTICE FOR ALL!
Check out the websites below for inspiring and challenging ways to end abortion and learn what abortion really is in this country:
www.YouTube.com/frfrankpavone
youtube.com/pfltv
priestsforlife.org/
www.RachelsVineyard.org
www.SilentNoMoreAwareness.org
Check out the websites below for inspiring and challenging ways to end abortion and learn what abortion really is in this country:
www.YouTube.com/frfrankpavone
youtube.com/pfltv
priestsforlife.org/
www.RachelsVineyard.org
www.SilentNoMoreAwareness.org
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goofyjim
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I’m just not going to stop getting my Starbucks coffee. Yum. White chocolate mocha.
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KatyElizabeth
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Unless they say they don’t, they probably do.
But certainly no pregnant woman should consume their retched coffee.
But certainly no pregnant woman should consume their retched coffee.
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bobzills
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I don;t know if Starbucks contributes to Planned Parenthood. i do know however, that Catholic colleges do offer support for Planned Parenthood. For example, there is a Catholic college, Holy Cross college, in Worcester, Massachusetts, that offers its buildings and facilities for use by the Planned Parenthood organisation so that it may teach about using contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancies for teenagers.
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Starwynd
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If Starbucks were to contribute to Catholic charities, would those Charities be supporting abortion?
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rotlex
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Wow, lots of interesting thoughts in this thread. My own? I’d have to say I’m in agreement with loving Starbucks coffee.
To those that so strongly oppose supporting ANY company that even remotely supports a thing such as planned parenthood? I would ask, among other things, if you are typing these posts on a computer running Microsoft Windows? Try Googling planned parenthood and Microsoft. I think you might need to switch to another OS, Word processor, and computer altogether.
To those that so strongly oppose supporting ANY company that even remotely supports a thing such as planned parenthood? I would ask, among other things, if you are typing these posts on a computer running Microsoft Windows? Try Googling planned parenthood and Microsoft. I think you might need to switch to another OS, Word processor, and computer altogether.
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AorthianArcher
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I was doing some Google research and came across this article from the Seattle Times . It says that while Starbucks does match employee contributions to PP, it does not make any outright corporate donations to them.
Also, Starbucks does make donations to pro-life charities and the Boy Scouts of America to “offset” said donations to PP. How ought we to take that? They are supporting both sides of the argument now!
seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002455480_starbucks29m.html
Also, Starbucks does make donations to pro-life charities and the Boy Scouts of America to “offset” said donations to PP. How ought we to take that? They are supporting both sides of the argument now!
seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002455480_starbucks29m.html
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Two points.
One - it is useless to boycott any company without telling the corporate customer relations people why. Also tell them how much you used to spend. Unless they connect a drop in revenue to the reason for your boycott, they won’t have a clue.
Two. If I was to investigate the donations made by every company I do business with, I wouldn’t have time to breathe or eat:
Imagine. I’m going to the feed store to get a bag of Purina Senior, 2 bags of Agway sweet feed, a few bales of hay, some treats for the dogs. 4 or 5 things.
I can look up Purina and Agway on the net, and maybe they post their contributions and maybe not. But I won’t find out who grew the hay on the net, and I probably won’t find out anything about the feed store’s donations, if they even have a website. I would have to speak to the manager of the store both to find out what they contribute to, and to find out who grew the hay. Maybe they will give me the hay grower’s number, maybe not. Then I call the grower, who may be a couple of states away, to ask if they contribute to any pro-abort causes.
If they don’t pass the test, then I have to find an equivalent product and/or store and start all over.
Once I find the “pure” store, I get to go there, and stand around while I call the makers of the various dog treats on my cellphone…
Extrapolate that out to everything and everywhere you buy; groceries, clothes, cars, banks, credit cards, online…
It would take 2 or 3 people just to do the digging for one small family. No, it’s not reasonable.
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One - it is useless to boycott any company without telling the corporate customer relations people why. Also tell them how much you used to spend. Unless they connect a drop in revenue to the reason for your boycott, they won’t have a clue.
Two. If I was to investigate the donations made by every company I do business with, I wouldn’t have time to breathe or eat:
Imagine. I’m going to the feed store to get a bag of Purina Senior, 2 bags of Agway sweet feed, a few bales of hay, some treats for the dogs. 4 or 5 things.
I can look up Purina and Agway on the net, and maybe they post their contributions and maybe not. But I won’t find out who grew the hay on the net, and I probably won’t find out anything about the feed store’s donations, if they even have a website. I would have to speak to the manager of the store both to find out what they contribute to, and to find out who grew the hay. Maybe they will give me the hay grower’s number, maybe not. Then I call the grower, who may be a couple of states away, to ask if they contribute to any pro-abort causes.
If they don’t pass the test, then I have to find an equivalent product and/or store and start all over.
Once I find the “pure” store, I get to go there, and stand around while I call the makers of the various dog treats on my cellphone…
Extrapolate that out to everything and everywhere you buy; groceries, clothes, cars, banks, credit cards, online…
It would take 2 or 3 people just to do the digging for one small family. No, it’s not reasonable.
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Bridet
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fightpp.org/show.cfm?page=order
This little booklet will take the guess work out of what’s what. They are asking for a small donation because to give it free would cause them to go bankrupt.
This little booklet will take the guess work out of what’s what. They are asking for a small donation because to give it free would cause them to go bankrupt.
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matt_the_gat
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I called Starbuck coorprate and they told me they do support planned parenthood, not just the matching funds. I also called apple they told me they did not support it, but they didn’t have convinced. Supporting these companies is supporting murder. end of story
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matt_the_gat
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I called starbuck coorprate myself and asked them if they supported planned parenthood…they told me yes they do, so it is not just the matching funds. I also called apple to ask them, I got the run around, on PR person told me no they did not but they would call me back when they get the right answer. They never called back. If anyone else has better luck with apple let me know.
Supporting companies that support abortion is you supporting murder. end of story
Supporting companies that support abortion is you supporting murder. end of story
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sneakierbiscuit
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fightpp.org/
Life Decisions International puts out a well-researched list about twice a year. You don’t have to do your own research at all. The list is $20-odd and comes with a check-book sized list you can take shopping with you. Worth the investment. They have a page that explains why they have to charge for the list, although they used to offer it free.
Anyway, here’s some of LDI’s thoughts about boycotting, which has been, by the way, successful. Target and Sears/Kmart have both been persuaded to quit funding PP.
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How is it decided that a company should be added to The Boycott List? What does a company have to do to get off The Boycott List?
The Boycott List includes corporations that have donated to Planned Parenthood–at any level, in any amount–within the past five years, but whose officials refuse to say donations will not be made in the future. Some corporate officials claim they no longer support Planned Parenthood. If officials refuse to say donations will not be made in the future, the company remains on The Boycott List until grants to Planned Parenthood have ceased for five years. This is done to prevent corporations from donating five-times as much money every five years and claiming for four years that they do not support Planned Parenthood. Therefore, do not be surprised if a corporation responds that it is not supporting Planned Parenthood. (LDI contacts each corporation on a regular basis to afford their leaders an opportunity to let us know if they qualify to be removed from The Boycott List.)
The Boycott List does not include every corporate supporter of Planned Parenthood, but only those that have been investigated and given “due process.” All corporations listed have received information about Planned Parenthood, along with a request that support cease. A corporate name is added to The Boycott List only if, after a reasonable amount of time, its leaders refuse to change the philanthropic practice. Remarkably, to date, at least 180 corporations have stopped supporting Planned Parenthood. This is due to the prayers, commitment and persistence of people like you.
LDI does not track grants made to Planned Parenthood through matching gift programs. These are employee-driven donations, not corporate. LDI does, however, track gifts in-kind.
A company will be dropped as a boycott target if it stops funding Planned Parenthood for at least five years (automatically) or if a corporate official states that the pro-abortion group will be made ineligible for support in the future (immediate removal from The Boycott List). It is the responsibility of corporate officials to notify LDI if a company qualifies for removal from The Boycott List.
Should I stop taking my prescription since it is made by a boycotted company?
We strongly discourage pro-life advocates from boycotting products that are necessary for good health (particularly prescription medications) when substitutes are not available and doctor-approved.
My computer uses software from Microsoft and I use Adobe Reader. Should I get rid of these? I also own several pairs of jeans from Levi Strauss. Should I throw them away?
No. Getting rid of (throwing away) these products would simply be wasteful. (If an automobile manufacturer were a boycott target would we expect you to get rid of your car? No.) We suggest that you purchase no other products from a boycotted corporation.
With regard to Microsoft, getting rid of all of its products would literally mean having to buy a new computer–a Macintosh. If Apple Computer were to become a boycott target as well, we would not suggest throwing away your computer and never buying another. If all corporations that make computer operating systems were to become boycott targets, you may have to purchase from them. In this case, just do the minimum you can get away with in order to make your computer operational.
As for Adobe, the company’s Reader program is free of charge and the company does not make more money if you download the program. (LDI uses Microsoft products, but we have not purchased anything from the corporation since it became a boycott target.)
The same principle applies when it comes to clothing or any other purchase. Do not throw anything away; just don’t buy from the boycotted corporation in the future.
We do not want the boycott to become a “religion.” Do the very best you can, without offering up unreasonable excuses, and you will be serving the cause well.
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All very common sense stuff.
Life Decisions International puts out a well-researched list about twice a year. You don’t have to do your own research at all. The list is $20-odd and comes with a check-book sized list you can take shopping with you. Worth the investment. They have a page that explains why they have to charge for the list, although they used to offer it free.
Anyway, here’s some of LDI’s thoughts about boycotting, which has been, by the way, successful. Target and Sears/Kmart have both been persuaded to quit funding PP.
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How is it decided that a company should be added to The Boycott List? What does a company have to do to get off The Boycott List?
The Boycott List includes corporations that have donated to Planned Parenthood–at any level, in any amount–within the past five years, but whose officials refuse to say donations will not be made in the future. Some corporate officials claim they no longer support Planned Parenthood. If officials refuse to say donations will not be made in the future, the company remains on The Boycott List until grants to Planned Parenthood have ceased for five years. This is done to prevent corporations from donating five-times as much money every five years and claiming for four years that they do not support Planned Parenthood. Therefore, do not be surprised if a corporation responds that it is not supporting Planned Parenthood. (LDI contacts each corporation on a regular basis to afford their leaders an opportunity to let us know if they qualify to be removed from The Boycott List.)
The Boycott List does not include every corporate supporter of Planned Parenthood, but only those that have been investigated and given “due process.” All corporations listed have received information about Planned Parenthood, along with a request that support cease. A corporate name is added to The Boycott List only if, after a reasonable amount of time, its leaders refuse to change the philanthropic practice. Remarkably, to date, at least 180 corporations have stopped supporting Planned Parenthood. This is due to the prayers, commitment and persistence of people like you.
LDI does not track grants made to Planned Parenthood through matching gift programs. These are employee-driven donations, not corporate. LDI does, however, track gifts in-kind.
A company will be dropped as a boycott target if it stops funding Planned Parenthood for at least five years (automatically) or if a corporate official states that the pro-abortion group will be made ineligible for support in the future (immediate removal from The Boycott List). It is the responsibility of corporate officials to notify LDI if a company qualifies for removal from The Boycott List.
Should I stop taking my prescription since it is made by a boycotted company?
We strongly discourage pro-life advocates from boycotting products that are necessary for good health (particularly prescription medications) when substitutes are not available and doctor-approved.
My computer uses software from Microsoft and I use Adobe Reader. Should I get rid of these? I also own several pairs of jeans from Levi Strauss. Should I throw them away?
No. Getting rid of (throwing away) these products would simply be wasteful. (If an automobile manufacturer were a boycott target would we expect you to get rid of your car? No.) We suggest that you purchase no other products from a boycotted corporation.
With regard to Microsoft, getting rid of all of its products would literally mean having to buy a new computer–a Macintosh. If Apple Computer were to become a boycott target as well, we would not suggest throwing away your computer and never buying another. If all corporations that make computer operating systems were to become boycott targets, you may have to purchase from them. In this case, just do the minimum you can get away with in order to make your computer operational.
As for Adobe, the company’s Reader program is free of charge and the company does not make more money if you download the program. (LDI uses Microsoft products, but we have not purchased anything from the corporation since it became a boycott target.)
The same principle applies when it comes to clothing or any other purchase. Do not throw anything away; just don’t buy from the boycotted corporation in the future.
We do not want the boycott to become a “religion.” Do the very best you can, without offering up unreasonable excuses, and you will be serving the cause well.
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All very common sense stuff.
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sneakierbiscuit
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Should Starbucks support PP (I haven’t received my list yet, so I don’t know) enjoying your White Choc Mocha is an unreasonable excuse. There are plenty of other coffee places around. My husband uses a mac and I use Linux as an operating system. It’s not hard to make adjustments, nor to inform companies about what you’re doing. I told Bank of America I was closing the account I’d just opened due to their corporate sponsorship of PP. Went down the street to my local Citizens Bank instead.
Abortion is the direct killing of innocent life, which is always sinful. It is quite simple that if possible to avoid involvement in that, we should. Moral theology makes quite fine distinctions between kinds of involvement - supporting a company that supports Planned Parenthood is “remote” involvement, but still a moral wrong. In many cases, if we were aware of the corporations support and able to avoid involvement, but decided not to for our own convenience/pleasure, then we would be morally culpable for sin.
Social justice and pro-life activities are not separate things. They are both indispensable parts of Christian mission. Besides, being pro-life is to be concerned with social justice. As our current pope and his predecessor said, the unborn are the weakest and poorest members of society… They are the most vulnerable humans in existence! It is an injustice that many human lives are killed because they are unwanted… Being popular, liked or wanted is not the foundation of human dignity, and their absence should not be a death sentence. We must fight the evil of abortion in any way we can, and we can still do our utmost to support women in difficult circumstances, and aid the poor and needy. It is not one or the other, people. It is not an “or” - it is an “and.” We must do both.
If we sacrifice an expensive fancy coffee to do so, what a small price for our own holiness and potentially a person’s life!
Abortion is the direct killing of innocent life, which is always sinful. It is quite simple that if possible to avoid involvement in that, we should. Moral theology makes quite fine distinctions between kinds of involvement - supporting a company that supports Planned Parenthood is “remote” involvement, but still a moral wrong. In many cases, if we were aware of the corporations support and able to avoid involvement, but decided not to for our own convenience/pleasure, then we would be morally culpable for sin.
Social justice and pro-life activities are not separate things. They are both indispensable parts of Christian mission. Besides, being pro-life is to be concerned with social justice. As our current pope and his predecessor said, the unborn are the weakest and poorest members of society… They are the most vulnerable humans in existence! It is an injustice that many human lives are killed because they are unwanted… Being popular, liked or wanted is not the foundation of human dignity, and their absence should not be a death sentence. We must fight the evil of abortion in any way we can, and we can still do our utmost to support women in difficult circumstances, and aid the poor and needy. It is not one or the other, people. It is not an “or” - it is an “and.” We must do both.
If we sacrifice an expensive fancy coffee to do so, what a small price for our own holiness and potentially a person’s life!
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