Does the Book of Mormon contain the fullness of the gospel?

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gazelam said:
The doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the Bible nor believed by the earliest Christians. Here are some quotes regarding the doctrine of the Trinity.
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Historically false, and you don’t even have to explicitly use the word 'Trinity if you don’t want to ’ You can just as easily say, doctrine of 3 persons One God. The point is, the Bible makes reference to this doctrine several times. Matthew 28:19 as well as Ephesians 4

And the earliest Christians, some of which were born shortly after Christ crucifixion have writings on this doctrine, therefore they and those they preached to believed it. St. Ignatius of Antioch is the most notable of the earliest 1st generation Christians:
Since, also, there is but one unbegotten Being, God, even the Father; and one only-begotten Son, God, the Word and man; and one Comforter, the Spirit of truth; and also one preaching, and one faith, and one baptism; The Epistle of Ignatius to the Philadelphians Chapter IV
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But the Holy Spirit does not speak His own things, but those of Christ, and that not from himself, but from the Lord; even as the Lord also announced to us the things that He received from the Father. For, says He, “the word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father’s, who sent Me.” And says He of the Holy Spirit, “He shall not speak of Himself, but whatsoever things He shall hear from Me.” And He says of Himself to the Father, “I have,” says He, “glorified Thee upon the earth; I have finished the work which, Thou gavest Me; I have manifested Thy name to men.” And of the Holy Ghost, “He shall glorify Me, for He receives of Mine.”
The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians Chapter IX
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gazelam said:
To say that a baptism must be “Trinitarian” in order to be valid means that all of the baptisms perform prior to acceptance of that doctrine must all be invalid.
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Again, sorry flawed reasoning. If that were true then Jesus’ own baptism would be invalid,. At the instance John the Baptist baptized Jesus,.baptism was accepted by ALL who wanted remission of sins, and who wanted to be spiritually new creations that could join and take part in the family of God and his good graces.
 
Since I can’t get our Mormon friend to answer this, I’ll put it out there for everyone. Or perhaps, I’ll start a new thread. My question was with regards to the nature of God as taught by the Book of Mormon. It’s a fair question given that following the precepts of the Book of Mormon allegedly will bring one closer to God than any other book. So here are simple questions:

The Mormons teach that God the Father has a tangible body of flesh and bones. Is that taught in the Book of Mormon?

The Mormons teach that God the Father was a mortal being like us. Is that taught in the Book of Mormon?

The Mormons teach that there are many Gods. Is that taught in the Book of Mormon?

The Mormons teach that God the Father is eternally progressing. Is that taught in the Book of Mormon?

The Mormons teach that God the Father lives on a planet near Kolob. Is that taught in the Book of Mormon?

The Mormons teach that God the Father gained his eternal salvation through following the commandments in a previous mortal existence. Is that taught in the Book of Mormon?

I think these are totally fair questions. I think that the most perfect book would address at least some of these basics, don’t you?

Could I have some answers. The missionaries would not answer any of these.

I have more questions . . .
 
Look, I’m not hear to bash or demean any faith. We as Catholics have to speak the truth and do so with charity and concern for those that will listen. We can do it respectfully , with good intentions and even some humor. We can even poke fun at ourselves from time to time and just be happy God gave us the gift of faith.

Ok so to both my Mormon and Catholic friends, here’s a good poke at the Catholic Church, it’s all in good fun.

Everyone have a blessed Lords day. You Catholics get off of here and go to Mass. The rest of you, go to church service and listen to the charismatic preacher you believe is a prophet 😉

 
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Every Mormon I know says they can’t smoke or drink any caffeinated beverage. The only soft drink they could drink would be 7UP. So yeah, that Mormon missionary you spoke to definitely had it wrong. Of course, I’ve also spoken to Mormons who disregard their church’s rules and smoke and drink coffee, tea and caffeinated beverages. Go figure.
 
When I lived in Illinois, when I was a child, my mom and dad gave the Mormon missionaries Coca-Cola, and they drank it. Since, my father died in 1997, I know that at least some Mormon missionaries were drinking caffeine over 20 years ago.
 
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As to the premise of this thread, Jude (1:9) advises us that the faith was “once for all delivered to the Saints.” The BOM is clearly a different gospel (Galatians 1) and one which Christians must reject as false.
 
Of course.🙂 I’m referring to the ones I spoke to who said they couldn’t do these things. I’ve since discovered that many do even though they say otherwise.

And yes, I’m sure the sodas are sold at BYU as they are on most campuses.
 
Yes, they preach and teach a different gospel for sure. And yet, they claim themselves to be the Saints His true church was given to. I don’t think so.I’ve had many discussions with them. And I never cease to be amazed at the way they distort the meaning of Scripture. I pray that they will come to know the Truth one day as well as the truth about their religion, its teachings and beliefs.
 
And they sing praises to a serial adulterer. Even the church is now admitting to what can no longer be covered up.
 
po18guy said:
As to the premise of this thread, Jude (1:9) advises us that the faith was “once for all delivered to the Saints.” The BOM is clearly a different gospel (Galatians 1) and one which Christians must reject as false.
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Good point! So I guess that Mormons can claim that the BOM has the fullness of the gospel. It contains the fullness of their gospel.

How did I miss that?
 
Catholicos said:
Oh ok, I see you remained a Mormon I take it. If you remained Mormon, what is it about the religion that is compelling enough truth for you to remain, and ignore something as important as the authenticity of the BOM?
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The value of any literature needs to be based on whether it provides some value to the individual reader rather than if it is authentic. We can all agree that someone wrote the BOM. Did the individual who wrote it make some valid points? Did I personally gain some insight from the points that were made?
With regards to the actual topic of the thread, the BOM provides the fullness of the gospel and its all located in my previous post. #43 That is the fullness of the gospel. Gazelam provided a definition from the LDS website for what fullness of the gospel meant, however, it was an agenda driven interpretation. They have a great deal invested in maintaining their various ordinances. Fullness means something is full and there isn’t any room for anything else.
 
One of them told me that the BOM explains the Bible to them. I don’t remember what the response was to my query, “Why not let the Bible explain itself?”
 
Just for clarification, huck, are you and Gazelam both Mormons (LDS)?

Thank you.
 
lilypadrees said:
Just for clarification, huck, are you and Gazelam both Mormons (LDS)?
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Hello lilypadrees,
I was born Catholic, when in my 20’s I became LDS, I was active for a few months, after a few years I was excommunicated by mutual consent, and I joined the temple lot group which I am still officially a member of but very inactive. As far as my beliefs go I’m very much aligned with the Edgar Cayce material.
 
Christ said “Many will come in my name. Do not follow them.” The fact that millions believe the BOM shows only our willingness to grasp novel, easily held beliefs. Ditto the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Thus, we get such silliness as a prohibition on blood transfusions and Coca Cola.
 
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