Does the Devil Rule the World

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Jesus recognised satan’s kingdom when he said,

Matthew 12:25
Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
 
The answer is quite easy, Satan does NOT rule the world, but only pretends to. The answer is found in the bible. Here is a quote taken from the New World Translation, the JW bible:

1 To Jehovah belong the earth and that which fills it,
The productive land and those dwelling in it.

Psalm 24:1

Quite clearly, the world and all who dwell in it and ALL that it contains belongs to God.
 
I would add the mysticism of the beast in Revelation 17:

"The beast you saw WAS and IS NOT."

Translation:

In the beginning of human history, in the days of Noah, the Fall, and its effect on the human race, was the prevailing force in human history. Indeed, the dragon “reigned” prior to the Flood. But beginning with the Flood, the power of the Original Sin is already being weakened and progressively healed. God has begung the historical process of redeeming humanity. Hence, the beast “is not.”

However, that the fallen nature of man is taking a back seat to the redemptive plan of God, it does not stop the fallen nature from making repeated secondray manifestions along the way in the redemption of humanity. Hence, the heads of the beast, or “kings”, are symbols of the greater stages of resistance to God’s grace that span all salvation history. Hence, “kings of the beast” still rise and fall within history, even though the those that are in between the first and last manifestations are secondary.

Hence:

"Five have fallen. One is, and the other has not yet come, and when he does, he must continue a short space."

Translation:

Five primary stages of sin were respectively redeemed in the OT era. At the time of writing the Apocalypse, one king reigned “pagan resistance to and persecution of the New Covenant.” One stage was yet to come (presumably the modern minor apostasy). But all these, saving the first, are secondary manifestations since they occur within the period of what ryanoneill directed our attention to, “the period of restraint.” (2 Thess. 2)

But, presumably, the “eighth” king represents the final manifestation of sin, and hence, one that is incurable, hence, in the eighth, the restrainer is “gotten out of the way”, and hence, Satan’s rule resumes. In the eighth stage, the fall is back, but it is back to stay, incurable, irredeemable. Hence, the eighth stage is consummate with the final release of the dragon at the end of the world.

"And the beast which was and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition."

Translation:

In the eighth manifestation of sin, the fallen nature once again rules humanity as before the Flood. But unlike the Flood, the fallen nature is incurable in the end, for the Redemption of humanity has been made “complete” in the “rest of the seventh day.” Hence, like the first day, God destroys the world. But in the first day it is by water, seeing as it is redemptive. In the eighth day, it is by fire, it is the condemnation of a world that has no excuse for its sin.

The beast is “of the seven”, seeing as the fallen nature of man (Original Sin) is the spiritual source of all the stages of sin. It is consummate with them.

So, we can say that the dragon only “rules” the world in the beginning and in the end, but in between, in the time of “restraint”, he is but a secondary pest.

Just my take, anyway. 🙂
 
so you agree that satan rules the world system which is the kingdom of darkness?

like Rom 12 tells us not to be conformed to the world.
The kingdom of God is in this world, and satan doesn’t rule that. It appears you know alot more about this subject than I do, and I’d have to agree with your scripture quotes. I’m no expert, so I can’t difinitively say what percent of anything satan rules. I do know that he does not rule the entire world though.

My New American Bible reads not to be conformed to this age.
 
1 To Jehovah belong the earth and that which fills it,
The productive land and those dwelling in it.

Psalm 24:1

That is a good one.

DM - you sure can quote scripture - and your quotes do show why the JW’s find any government evil and of the devil.

But logically speaking…does this mean that ALL governments of this world are intrinsically EVIL. All governments are ruled by Satan. Without any government would not the world be in total chaoss where Satan would not even have to hide. It denies our free will. To hate all government because Satam is in it, of it, and it is of him, seems like such a far stretch. Satan can rule men’s hearts and some men in gov’t are ruled by his deadly sins but government of this earth is also the policeman who finds lost children, come to the aid of victims of family disputes, and even keep us driving on the right side of the road. It seems to me in Satan rules the world scenariario…you have to, and in some incidents the JWs do, give up the responsibility to uphold the law which is the only thing that, for lack of a better word, keeps us civilized. Satan does rule the world that is in chaoss and yes, this includes many countries, but it is man’s will that hands over the realm of the world to Satan and not All men do this and not all governments, and men in these governments are intrinsically evil and therefore ruled by Satan. I think that it is far more clear that Satan rules the evil in the world and is constantly seeking the ruin of men to keep attaining a tighter and tighter power over the world. It is like the old western movies we used to watch, where you can see the pioneers moving through the mountains, they move along, and we can see the bandits or evil lurking around the corner and want to yell “No, don’t go there, you are going to be ambushed”. For some reason they may stop before they arrive at the evil…they might make it through if evil misses its chance, and also evil might have its way with them. But evil does not rule them…it happesn to them. If Satan does rule the world, he is having to work awfully hard as a ruler because to rule each soul on earth, and these sould make up entire governments, he must first find each soul’s weakness, that takes some time, then he must work on exactly how to tempt that soul and win it to his side through evil. If you ask me it doesn’t sound like the job of ruler of the world would have many applicants.
 
The kingdom of God is in this world, and satan doesn’t rule that. It appears you know alot more about this subject than I do, and I’d have to agree with your scripture quotes. I’m no expert, so I can’t difinitively say what percent of anything satan rules. I do know that he does not rule the entire world though.

My New American Bible reads not to be conformed to this age.
Hi sharonh28, we are not really speaking of worldy goverments. Romans 13:1-7 tells us that God put those leaders in place and that they are in fact ordained of God.

Hi Ryanoneil what we really are talking about is the Kingdom of Light vs the Kingdom of Darkness. If we read the book of Job, we will find out that Satan needs God’s permission to do anything to anyone that belongs to God’s kingdom of Light. But, those who are unsaved, who belong to the kingdom of Darkness are to some degree under Satan’s control, rulership.

newadvent.org/utility/search.htm?safe=active&cx=000299817191393086628%3Aifmbhlr-8x0&q=children+light+dark&cof=FORID%3A9#912

newadvent.org/utility/search.htm?safe=active&cx=000299817191393086628%3Aifmbhlr-8x0&q=kingdom+light+darkness&cof=FORID%3A9#913

If you scroll throught he fathers you wil find a lot of passages about chrildren of light vs children of darkness and about kingdom of light vs kingdom of darkness. there is an early church father who wrote on this, but I can not remember the document’s name off the top of my head.
 
Daniel Marsh - I could never quote scripture the way you do, or the way my JW visitors do(let me mention here that I have apparently wasted much time that could have been devoted to such a noble pursuit, I am truly in awe and inspired by such minds as yours) but, I do think they pretty much carry this ball through to the governments of the world. I think they very much believe, as many people do in the one world government, controlled by the Masons, the World Bank all under one government i.e. Satan. Many people who are not even of a religious bend see this conspiracy. I have not studied the theory much myself, just like being able to go right to where I want to go in the Bible, but do know of its existance (the theory of one world gov’t). What I get from the JWs, not in so many words, but it is this "we are living in the end times and once the one world evil satanic gov’t is achieved - and now I’m really ad libing…it will all be in a nice neat little bundle of evil earth ruled by Satan and time for Christ to come to sort us all out - well actually, they already have the sorting pretty well down. As for myself, and again, I know this is in the Bible but can’t quote scripture and verse but can tell you that St. Paul told those who thought they were living in the end times to get up and be about their business. Do you not think the JW’s are speaking of our earthly governments? btw, love the (name removed by moderator)ut, just wish I were as well versed in scripture and for that matter philosophy and theology. Lucky for me…my faith is simple.
 
Hi Ryanoneil what we really are talking about is the Kingdom of Light vs the Kingdom of Darkness. If we read the book of Job, we will find out that Satan needs God’s permission to do anything to anyone that belongs to God’s kingdom of Light.
Yes, I agree entirely with this statement.
But, those who are unsaved, who belong to the kingdom of Darkness are to some degree under Satan’s control, rulership.
I’m sure God is still in the picture, and I think I understand what you’re saying. I’m not sure exactly how this scenario works, but the spirit of this statement makes sense to me.

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
I think we all agree that Jesus is Lord of all. That we as Christians are to put away the ways of the world and seek to live a holy life in Christ pleasing to God the Father.

Beyond that I think we discussed this thread to death.

so to speak.

Health report, I am still recovering from shoulder surgery and it is quite painful.
 
I think we all agree that Jesus is Lord of all. That we as Christians are to put away the ways of the world and seek to live a holy life in Christ pleasing to God the Father.

Beyond that I think we discussed this thread to death.

so to speak.

Health report, I am still recovering from shoulder surgery and it is quite painful.
I agree, and hope you get well soon.
 
For a Catholic can we say that Satan is the Lord of this world but Jesus is the Lord of Lords?
 
exactly Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. But, those that he is Lord and King over are also lords and kings over something.
 
1 John 5:19 (New International Version)

We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one
 
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