Does the Extraordinary Form Bind Laypeople to 1962 Regulations?

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If a Catholic decides to fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending Mass in the extraordinary form, are they bound by 1962 regulations? For example, does their pre-Mass fast begin at midnight, rather than the current one hour fast? And are they required to abstain from meat every Friday of the year, rather than just at Lent?
 
You are bound to the 1983 Code of Canon Law which requires a one hour fast and other such things. Latin Catholics are bound only by 1983 Code of Canon Law.

The rubrics (i.e. how to celebrate the Mass) of the 1962 Missal of St John XXIII is all that applies to the EF Mass.

On a side not, Pope Pius XII reduced the fast to 3 hours in 1957. 🙂
 
The 1962 Liturgical books are followed but the 1983 Canon Law is followed in such other matters as fasting, abstinence, frequency of communion, etc.
 
If a Catholic decides to fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending Mass in the extraordinary form, are they bound by 1962 regulations? For example, does their pre-Mass fast begin at midnight, rather than the current one hour fast? And are they required to abstain from meat every Friday of the year, rather than just at Lent?
Things like the Communion fast are based in canon law. All Catholics are bound to the current canon law, which is one hour before reception of Communion.

Abstinence on all Fridays is in the current canon law but has regional variations. Catholics are bound by whatever regional variation they live under, not what missal they use at Mass.
 
That would be something. Anyone who attends the Traditional Latin Mass has to live up to 1962 expectations. Maybe we should instituted this and see how it goes.

No more 11:30 AM high Mass for Dad. From now on its rise-and-shine for the 9:00 AM low Mass and straight to IHOP afterwards. 😃

-Tim-
 
That would be something. Anyone who attends the Traditional Latin Mass has to live up to 1962 expectations. Maybe we should instituted this and see how it goes.

No more 11:30 AM high Mass for Dad. From now on its rise-and-shine for the 9:00 AM low Mass and straight to IHOP afterwards. 😃

-Tim-
I thought vigil Masses were permitted by 1962?
 
If a Catholic decides to fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending Mass in the extraordinary form, are they bound by 1962 regulations? For example, does their pre-Mass fast begin at midnight, rather than the current one hour fast? And are they required to abstain from meat every Friday of the year, rather than just at Lent?
As others here have stated, we are not bound by the old law. I attended the EF for seven years, and it was made clear that we only need fast for an hour before Mass, but it was also recommended that for those who were able and willing to do so, that a longer fast could be made, but not at all required. I’ve only ever fasted for an hour. I’m glad the norms were changed!
 
That would be something. Anyone who attends the Traditional Latin Mass has to live up to 1962 expectations. Maybe we should instituted this and see how it goes.

No more 11:30 AM high Mass for Dad. From now on its rise-and-shine for the 9:00 AM low Mass and straight to IHOP afterwards. 😃

-Tim-
The restoration of the 3-hr fast has been proposed by more than EF attendees.
 
I thought vigil Masses were permitted by 1962?
That actually started in 1953 (Pope Pius XII in Christus Dominus) but there were limitations. The most significant was that the local bishop had to approve them for his own diocese. The result was that from 1953 to 1983 (new code of canon law), every diocese had a different implementation date. Some never did so, until the new code eliminated the need for the bishop’s permission.
 
I believe that was in 1970, but AFAIK there are Sat vespere Masses performed in the EF. Actually I know of only one.
I know of one Saturday evening EF mass in Delaware, near my parent’s home. The Mass is at 7PM each Saturday.

I try to attend it when I’m visting my parents, especially since the priest was a friend of mine before he was a priest. 😃
 
I know of one Saturday evening EF mass in Delaware, near my parent’s home. The Mass is at 7PM each Saturday.

I try to attend it when I’m visting my parents, especially since the priest was a friend of mine before he was a priest. 😃
Interesting. The one I know is in Indiana.

Carmelite Monastery Chapel
Location: 1625 Ridge Rd – Munster, IN 46321
Mass Time: Sat 5 pm
Phone number: (219) 838-7111
 
Wow.

Furthermore, by virtue of its character of special law, within its own area, the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum derogates from those provisions of law, connected with the sacred Rites, promulgated from 1962 onwards and incompatible with the rubrics of the liturgical books in effect in 1962.

The word incompatible is big enough to drive the whole Second Vatican Council through - sideways. This ought to be fun…

-Tim-
 
Wow.

Furthermore, by virtue of its character of special law, within its own area, the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum derogates from those provisions of law, connected with the sacred Rites, promulgated from 1962 onwards and incompatible with the rubrics of the liturgical books in effect in 1962.

The word incompatible is big enough to drive the whole Second Vatican Council through - sideways. This ought to be fun…

-Tim-
It’s merely saying that because Summorum Pontificum is itself a form of “special law” it has the force-of-law and when the rubrics (key word) of the post-62 books are incompatible, the rubrics as they existed in 1962 have the force-of-law in the extraordinary form. It’s merely addressing the rubrics.

I am curious what you mean by “big enough to drive the whole Second Vatican…”
I don’t understand what you are trying to say. Would you please re-phrase it?
 
It’s merely saying that because Summorum Pontificum is itself a form of “special law” it has the force-of-law and when the rubrics (key word) of the post-62 books are incompatible, the rubrics as they existed in 1962 have the force-of-law in the extraordinary form. It’s merely addressing the rubrics.

I am curious what you mean by “big enough to drive the whole Second Vatican…”
I don’t understand what you are trying to say. Would you please re-phrase it?
I’m saying that people are going to claim that anything they don’t like is “incompatible” with the rubrics of the 1962 liturgical books and that it has therefor been derogated.

-Tim-
 
Basically when it comes to matters of the actual physical celebration and execution of the liturgy, the Mass, Sacraments, Office, one is bound by the provisions and rubrics in effect at the time of the books promulgation( and any that came afterwards until 1965, when the intermediary Missal came out), but everything else Catholics are still are bound by Code of Canon Law of 1983, even the SSPX recognizes and uses this Code.

But you are free, and most likely to find those who attend the EF, to practice the older fasting rules.
 
I’m saying that people are going to claim that anything they don’t like is “incompatible” with the rubrics of the 1962 liturgical books and that it has therefor been derogated.

-Tim-
Well that’s just people, and they would be wrong, cuz it’s simply a matter of looking at the rubrics and provisions that were in effect, and doing them. If they complain that they don’t like the congregation singing the ordinary, or the readings being done in the vernacular, or “dialogue” Low Mass, or the 1955 Holy Week, etc. the Kiss of Peace being extended to the Choir(and theoretically to the Congregation) well then they need better education in the Tridentine Mass.
 
That would be something. Anyone who attends the Traditional Latin Mass has to live up to 1962 expectations. Maybe we should instituted this and see how it goes.

No more 11:30 AM high Mass for Dad. From now on its rise-and-shine for the 9:00 AM low Mass and straight to IHOP afterwards. 😃

-Tim-
Most of the people I know who attend the EF already follow the 3 hour Communion fast, and AFAIK, everyone at our parish still observes the Friday abstinence throughout the year. I don’t think you’d see much, if any, change if this was implemented.

I’d like to see the Catholic Church as a whole go back to the 1962 expectations and the 1917 Code, and then see what would happen. Now THAT would be interesting. 😃
 
Well that’s just people, and they would be wrong, cuz it’s simply a matter of looking at the rubrics and provisions that were in effect, and doing them. If they complain that they don’t like the congregation singing the ordinary, or the readings being done in the vernacular, or “dialogue” Low Mass, or the 1955 Holy Week, etc. the Kiss of Peace being extended to the Choir(and theoretically to the Congregation) well then they need better education in the Tridentine Mass.
I think it’s also important to note that IGMR/GRIM doesn’t apply in the EF, but it doesn’t mean the altar can’t be a free-standing one, for example.
 
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