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So you have decided that your understanding is superior to that of 1970 years of apostolic teaching.
Then why do you care what the Church teaches about your status?
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1ke
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The word ananthema has actually had several meanings over time. But the early church used it to mean “cut off.” That is what excommunication is. It is not a “curse.” It is a *description *of a person’s status.
Excommunication = anathema
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JimG
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No one has the power to cut off a person from Christ except the person himself. But the Church has the power to declare that someone is outside its boundaries by reason of teaching falsehood. That’s what the anathema is all about.
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Gibbs212521
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Read 1 Corinthians 5:5 “handing over to Satan” Paul is telling the See of Corinth to anathema (this is the verse where the term comes from) the incestuous member of the Body of Jesus, of the One Faith. This means to remove them from the One Faith, thus they’re damning themselves by refusing the truth according to 1 Timothy 1:20 and 2 Timothy 2:17-18…
NOW according the Roman See, the See under the intercession of Peter and Protection of the Holy Spirit as the unworthy shepherd of the One Faith’s religious affairs according to Vatican I and Patriarchs of the Early Church, if you knowing deny the Church as the succession of the Apostles you incur latae sententiae excommunication -Thus separation from God by Mortal Sin, thus damned unless repented. AKA Anathema, the declaration one is separate from God, such as mortal sin… Now Anathema in the Ancient Councils was more so toned to letting people know that denying the Gospel given to us by the Apostles is a mortal sin, even according to the Bible -which the Councils quote more often than any sermon I’ve ever heard.
so it’s merely the declaration one is certain of damnation, if they continue on the path they’re on.
NO, the Catholic Church does not teach the ignorant are damned, for to say so is to say a thing would mean all the Catholic Church is damned, for their blood would be on our hands for being human, we merely hold to St. Paul and the Holy Moses divinely inspired words as hope of their salvation. God “can choose to impart mercy on whomever” He “chooses” and the prophet Jonah “have you reason to be angry that I am merciful and save those who repent?” Forgive my paraphrasing.
Martin Luther for instance, is almost certain of damnation, for he was knowledgable. The peasants who followed their lords in those days however are not anathema, for they were ignorant and without power to choose. Martin though could have repented sincerely in his heart before he died and seeked extramunction, thus could actually have made it into purgatory --so no MAN has the power to say another one is in Hell for we have limited understanding of the situation of their death. Also those who ever gain belief in the Church and do not act on the conversion of heart are also considered among those who deny Christ by denying those he sends, thus denying even the Father.
Major Excommunication is the kind where if you repent, you still are to remain separate from Holy Communion or sometimes even from entering into a church (AKA anywhere with a tabernacle). This is made sin by declaration of Holy Mother Church who we are bound to obey and suffer as discipline to deter us and others from commiting such mortal sins of extreme impiety. This is what the RCC use to call by the Greek word “Anathema”
I hope I threw enough material in here to cover all the questions and may God shine light on all of our hearts that we may achieve Salvation through the Blood & Flesh of Jesus Christ; our union with it is our hope for salvation indeed. (See Hebrews 10:19-20)
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silly…
Just like you “decided” that your understanding is superior to that of 3000 years of Jewish teaching. (the point being just because its old doesn’t mean its right)
I want to have a better understanding of Catholicism
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CHRISTINE77
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How long did you actually attend Catholic Church? Sounds like not very long.
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lookaround
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about a year and a half
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pismopal
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Excuse me but if you want to get a better understanding of the teaching of the RCC…you should try reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church. All of the issues I wanted to understand are there…officially approved by the Church and in writing. Many well meaning people on this site simply do not know what they are talking about…and from time to time that includes me.
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Philthy
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The answer to all three questions is no. In fact, Catholicism has no teaching on you personally.
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Philthy
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This is a very odd way of pursuing an understanding of “what Catholicism believes”.
The Catholic Church condemns no one to Hell. As someone mentioned, the term “anathema” is not really used any more. Why dont you ask - in plain English - what it is you wish to know about what Catholics believe?
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CHRISTINE77
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Well if you’re happy with your new choice of religion, why are you so curious about what Catholics believe?
For the record, a year attending the Catholic Church really isn’t much. Were you even confirmed? If you were, you would have been required to attend classes teaching the Catholic faith.
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Pug
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I’m again not sure which thing you have in mind. Perhaps it is just a philosophical question, but I’m no good with those.
As a general principle, it is better to be in possession of reality than not. So, as a missionary, we ought not sit there and wonder if people would be better off if we never told them about Jesus. Don’t worry that they could end up finding out about him, but then later rejecting him.
If we have a choice between being in communion with God or not, it is always better to pick being in communion with him. That is an unparalleled gift, precious and wonderful, worth selling everything else we have and buying a field to obtain it. (I’m not sure if allusions to scripture are your thing, but I am thinking of Mt 13:44-46). Don’t say, “well, I might blow it, so I’ll just pass on this gift thing, that’ll be better.”
Or, perhaps you mean the one about the sow/pig and the wallowing in the mud. That one I will quote part of, in 2Peter2:
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.
I don’t think this is talking about sitting in a Catholic pew or not, though. Still, it might be a bit of what you are after with your question.
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NHInsider
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No, I am explicity NOT relying on my own understanding. (Prov. 3:5) I am relying on the promise of the Lord Jesus to guide His Church and to reveal to them all that they need to know (John 14:26).
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lookaround
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lol
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lookaround
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and I hope you understand that it what non-Catholic Christians do as well
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because I still consider Catholics brothers and sisters in Christ (or hope they are)
I just want to better understand you guys
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on Pentecost by a Monsignor
yes, but what I was taught apparently was very different
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lookaround
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I believe that I am following the teachings of the Apostles (as I presume you believe you are)
btw its hard to tell over an online forum but your responses thus far have seem somewhat condescending
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lookaround
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To paraphrase Pope John Paul II
A church is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members and among the most vulnerable those who are not.
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DaveBus
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I have been reading this thread with interest and it is a little disturbing. I am a convert to the Catholic Faith for the past 5 years. I can understand the questioning by the person who initiated this thread. But the responses many times seem very “fundamentalist”. I had quite a bit of experience with this kind of thinking before I converted and thought that I was getting away from it, but I see it is still with me. I can understand why a person who has joined the Church might decide to leave in their seeking of God. Those of you who come from vibrant Church’s or Church groups may not understand what is out there in Catholocism. I live in the great liberal state of Oregon. I attend a couple of local rural parish’s. The sacrements are there and very important. But if you talk to many of the local parishioners about Jesus in a more personal way,or about evangilism to share the beautiful truths of the Church, you get nothing but blank looks. In many ways you can be in a spiritual desert in the Church. I know what the Church teaches, but I think we have a big God who sees beyond the teaching to the heart of the individual and then judges accordingly. Remember the story of the Samaritan and the injured man on the side of the road. The rabbi, who was well versed in the faith of the day, showed a lack of charity and walked to the other side of the road. The Samaritan, who could be equated with todays non-catholic believers who have a partial knowledge of the truth, showed love and took care of the injured person. Who lived out his faith and who did Jesus honor in this story ?
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