Does the RCC teach that non-Catholic Christians are anathema?

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Pat_De said:
To: Anyone and/or no one: I was on page 8 trying to catch up, but PRMerger has violated a privacy agreement we had outside the walls of the forums and has not kept her/his word; therefore I am no longer responding to anyone on this thread because I not interested on being in this thread any longer and the question on the actual topic has been answered in a variety of ways and numerous ways as well. I love the Catholic people, but I do not care for religion nor do I care for dishonesty and need to cool off least I should be brought into sin.
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I am not quite sure why you keep coming to the CAFs and posting, then retreating when your worthy debaters refute your comments. It seems to be a rather cowardly modus operandi–posting questions yet refusing to engage in further dialogue.

Each of these posts are by you, Pat–each from different threads, which you leave after posting for a few days. When Catholics come to provide apologia, you respond with:
  • I’m done done!! source
  • Anyway; I am out of here and done with this thread because it is a dead thread!! source
  • You charity has ended dialogue; source
  • Thanks for the invitation, but I really do not have anything to add and should not have posted here in the first place and again I do apologize for the rude disruption. source
  • I am no longer responding to anyone on this thread because I not interested on being in this thread any longer. source
  • for I do not plan to be here much longer; there is no point for me to be here and I have concluded that God probably would rather have me spend my time doing other things. source
All of the above is from just one month of being on the CAFs.

And, from our private email conversations, in which you did indeed give me permission to share you wrote, just when the discussion was getting good:
  • I’m done with the futility unless you are able to recognize or acknowledge some contextual understanding of Scripture–Pat De
Again, you have given me permission to share as I wished and** I rebuke you **for claiming I have violated any agreement. :mad:
 
1ke said:
These questions don’t make any sense.

The answer is neither.

The Church holds the fullness of truth. Neither entering and then rejecting nor remaining outside of Her are acceptable options.
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May I ask who belongs to the church, the body of Christ. In Christian love, Ralph.
 
Do you know when this church established by Christ come in being, and how could one join. In Christian love. Ralph
 
davidv said:
Yes. Do you?

Be instructed in the faith, be baptised and submit oneself to God’s earthly authority, the Catholic Church.
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I believe the church was started on the day of Pentecost. Can you give me some scripture on the second part of the question regarding how to become a member of the church. I believe the “catholic” that you are referring to is the RCC, however in scripture, I believe that “catholic” refers to universal, and not a denomination. In Christian love, Ralph.
 
ralphy said:
I believe the church was started on the day of Pentecost. Can you give me some scripture on the second part of the question regarding how to become a member of the church. I believe the “catholic” that you are referring to is the RCC, however in scripture, I believe that “catholic” refers to universal, and not a denomination. In Christian love, Ralph.
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I would love to if you start another thread, as this is far afield from the OP.
 
ralphy said:
I believe the church was started on the day of Pentecost. Can you give me some scripture on the second part of the question regarding how to become a member of the church. I believe the “catholic” that you are referring to is the RCC, however in scripture, I believe that “catholic” refers to universal, and not a denomination. In Christian love, Ralph.
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The Catholic Faith, Mother Chruch is not a denomination. People on this thread are more adept at explaining this than I. Pardon the appearance of arrogance but there is only one church of Jesus Christ. The gospel is offensive. Hear this old Baptist. That church is the Roman Catholic Church; all others are denominations.
 
Forgive me, I am not trying to be contentious; but my understanding is that the church was begun when water spilled from our Lord’s side. Am I wrong again?
 
But isn’t it a (I hate to say dogma) fact of the church that at the moment of the pearcing the church was formed?
 
dcastlen50 said:
The Catholic Faith, Mother Chruch is not a denomination. People on this thread are more adept at explaining this than I. Pardon the appearance of arrogance but there is only one church of Jesus Christ. The gospel is offensive. Hear this old Baptist. That church is the Roman Catholic Church; all others are denominations.
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I agree that the gospel is offensive, in fact the bible states that fact, but it is only offensive to those who do not believe it. The church is: the “Body of Christ”, as also stated in scripture. Those who are born again belong to His body. Denomination has nothing to do with belonging, or not belonging to “His Body”.We are all sinners, and must come to Christ for salvation. There are only two kinds of people in this world, the saved and the unsaved, the choice is ours. In Christian love. Ralph
 
ralphy said:
I believe the church was started on the day of Pentecost. Can you give me some scripture on the second part of the question regarding how to become a member of the church.
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We don’t need to have some Scripture in order to prove that one must: Be instructed in the faith, be baptised and submit oneself to God’s earthly authority, the Catholic Church.

Scripture doesn’t say that you’re supposed to ask, for each doctrine, “Can you give me some Scripture” to prove this. That’s a man-made tradition.

And that’s* your* man-made tradition, Ralphy, not ours.

It’s like a poet asking a physicist, “Can you prove to me that the sun rises by using poetry alone?” Why does he have to use poetry to prove the sun rises? 🤷
 
ralphy said:
I believe the church was started on the day of Pentecost. Can you give me some scripture on the second part of the question regarding how to become a member of the church. I believe the “catholic” that you are referring to is the RCC, however in scripture, I believe that “catholic” refers to universal, and not a denomination. In Christian love, Ralph.
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Yes, the Church did begin on Pentecost, and it was referred to as “universal” or “catholic.” Since there was only one Church it was often just called, “the Church.” But since it was catholic, it also became known as the Catholic Church.

(In histories of Western Civilization, the Catholic Church is often simply referred to as “the Church,” as there was only one and no need for specifiers.)
 
dcastlen50 said:
But isn’t it a (I hate to say dogma) fact of the church that at the moment of the pearcing the church was formed?
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JL: The Church the bride of Christ was taken from Christ’s side, the blood and water or sacraments, of which the Church is formed. Just as Eve was taken from Adam’s side, the rib, of which Eve was formed. God would have breathed the breath of life (soul) as he does all of us. The Church was given the breath of life when the Holy Spirit came on her at Petecost.
 
PRmerger said:
We don’t need to have some Scripture in order to prove that one must: Be instructed in the faith, be baptised and submit oneself to God’s earthly authority, the Catholic Church.

Scripture doesn’t say that you’re supposed to ask, for each doctrine, “Can you give me some Scripture” to prove this. That’s a man-made tradition.

And that’s* your* man-made tradition, Ralphy, not ours.

It’s like a poet asking a physicist, “Can you prove to me that the sun rises by using poetry alone?” Why does he have to use poetry to prove the sun rises? 🤷
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If you look at 2 Tim 3:16, you will see why we need scripture. You have is backwards, anything outside of scripture is “man made”. How can you rely on tradition, if it is not written down, ( like the word of God), for it can change any time, as anyone can add or take away from it as “they” see fit. The Bible is our manual to follow, these instructions are from God, and He is our judge, we must answer to Him. The word of God never changes. In Christian love, Ralph.
 
I totally agree with you, the word Protestant is meaningless as far as salvation is concerned, and it is the same with RC, which is also meaningless as far as salvation is concerned. As far as Christ is concerned, I am catholic (universal), belonging to His body. His church is worldwide, and He knows who they are, and will take them away at the last trumpet, when the rapture occurs. Don’t trust in tradition, look to the word of God, this is the only sure way to heaven. In Christian love, Ralph.
 
I cannot get the meaning of what you are trying to say. Can you explain please. Thank you, Ralph
 
ralphy said:
If you look at 2 Tim 3:16, you will see why we need scripture.
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Please don’t change my point, Ralphy. * Of course* we need Scripture. Just not Scripture alone.

I’m asking where Scripture says you have to say, “Show me in Scripture where this doctrine is!” It says it: NO WHERE.
That is a man-made tradition.***

It’s like having a conversation with an atheist who’s saying, “Prove to me, by science alone, that God exists”.

Why should we Christians use “science alone” to prove God’s existence? We don’t go by science alone. Christians use faith and reason (science) to understand God’s existence. And atheists in using science/empirical data alone miss out on so much 'cause they’ve arbitrarily set up a criterion that’s self-refuting: all that exists must be proven by science. (Science cannot prove that all that exists must be proven by science—thus, the atheist’s position is self-refuting).

Similarly, you have arbitrarily set up a criterion that’s self-refuting: all that we believe must be proven by Scripture. Scripture does not say that, so you’re holding to a position which is contradictory, self-refuting and man-made.
The Bible is our manual to follow, these instructions are from God, and He is our judge, we must answer to Him. The word of God never changes. In Christian love, Ralph.
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That’s very Catholic of you to say that! 👍
 
ralphy said:
I agree that the gospel is offensive, in fact the bible states that fact, but it is only offensive to those who do not believe it. The church is: the “Body of Christ”, as also stated in scripture. Those who are born again belong to His body. Denomination has nothing to do with belonging, or not belonging to “His Body”.We are all sinners, and must come to Christ for salvation. There are only two kinds of people in this world, the saved and the unsaved, the choice is ours. In Christian love. Ralph
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JL: The following four links are my scriptural reasons for ONE, VISIBLE, CATHOLIC CHURCH. Maybe you can share your scriptural evidence for a so called invisible church. Made up of people who’s members teach contradicting doctrine.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6895842&postcount=253

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6895869&postcount=254

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6895878&postcount=255

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6895890&postcount=256
 
jlhargus said:
JL: The following four links are my scriptural reasons for ONE, VISIBLE, CATHOLIC CHURCH. Maybe you can share your scriptural evidence for a so called invisible church. Made up of people who’s members teach contradicting doctrine.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6895842&postcount=253

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6895869&postcount=254

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6895878&postcount=255

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6895890&postcount=256
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You certainly did a lot of writing, and most of it pertaining to scripture. However you did throw some of your catholic teaching in there also. By the way, the apostles are dead, and whatever power was given to them at the time Christ was with them died with them. Power does not come from “man”, so it cannot be passed on. If power can be passed on from the apostles , then those receiving will have the same power the apostles had, and we know without a doubt that this is not happening today. If you say that the “priests” today are the bishops ordained in the Bible, then the “must” be the husband of one wife, right. There are no priests today, the new testament does no indicate that there are, it does refer to a royal priesthood, but that is in reference to those who are saved, and received the holy spirit.You made reference to"those who gladly received His word were baptized", this is scriptural, however the RCC will baptize baby’s, who cannot receive his word, this is RC teaching. There are many things that are taught by the RCC which are not scriptural. Purgatory, the Tabernacle on earth (in the RCC),man forgiving sins, salvation by baptism, praying to the “saints” or Mary, or whoever, instead of praying through Christ, as Jesus said Himself in His word, praying for the dead, and so many more things that cannot be found in the Bible. I believe the one you call the “first” pope, Peter, would roll over in his grave if he could see the situation in the RCC now, with all the Cardinals, the Pope in his bulletproof vehicle, the pomp and ceremony, all the riches, and of course the scandals, which a lot of churches are subject too, that poor fisherman would be aghast and not recognize any of it as being authentic. Scripture is the only way to go. May I suggest to you that you read Rev 22:6-21 and see what God has to say about adding or taking away from the prophecy of this book. In Christian love. Ralph
 
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