Does the SSPX speak uncharitably of the Jews?

[bear06]

In as much as ideologies such as Jewish natrualism, for example, are part of the Catholic faith than Catholicism is antisemitic

If you want to think this is prevalent, go ahead. Like I said, I think you should contact American Thinker and ask him what he thinks. There’s obviously no changing your mind.

 

[GerardP]

While I think this whole thread is a bit of an attempt to discredit the SSPX, it has provided some interesting insight into the dynamics of the relationship between the Church and its claims and the World which makes counter claims.

“Chosen People” ironically does not see or will not admit any partial guilt or complicity in historical persecutions. The very name “chosen people” is divisive by modern standards.

The truth of the matter is that Christians were persecuted by Jews and then the tables were turned to the disadvantage of many Jews.

But the persecution of Christians especially the Catholic Church (since it is the one true religion and makes that claim,) is still prevalent in modern times.

The slurs against Pius XII, the slurs against all forms of traditional Catholicism, the false claims that Vatican II actually changed a teaching of the Catholic Church. (The Church is still necessary for anyone to be saved)

Let’s not forget the number of paintings,plays, sculptures and books by Jewish authors who persistently and relentlessly hurl insult blasphemy and calumny at the person of our Divine Lord and Saviour Jesus.

But since Judaism has no central authority, no one can call this a cultural phenomenon without being labeled as bigoted by advocacy groups that are organized to attack Catholicism.

The crux of this problem is not the insult. It’s as Chesterton explained about the Puritans in “Heretics” it’s the lack of good Jews being willing to condemn the horrific actions of their own kind.

The lack of “defining” those particular groups of Jews within the larger Jewish community is lamentable, because they use the innocent among them as shields. The innocent are appealed to with cultural pressure not to abandon the tribal mentality that has helped Jews to survive over the centuries and also been the very source of their persecutions.

Any attempt to sift the wheat from the chaff in order to protect the innocent is treated as a “euphemism” for the ever evolving quality called “anti-semitism”. So all attempts to bring justifiable complaints againt blatant anti-Christians like Abe Foxman, Marvin Heir, Schmuley Boteach and those who hold similar views are smeared with the catch all “anti-semite” label.

I was watching the short documentary film “the Protocols of Zion” by Marc Levin. It was fascinating in that he was completely unaware that his behavior and that particularly of his father was insulting to Catholics. His father was ridiculting Catholic customs like the sign of the Cross and the sacrament of Confession while he told what is probably an apocryphal story about being called “Christ killer” by Catholics “who were always going to confession” How he knew this and substantiated it was never shown.

The Jewish community has the same problem with their extremists that their brothers the Muslims in the Middle East have. A lack of moderating and self criticism among their own.

 

[AlexV]

Clearly some people wouldn’t want to read what the 1962 Breviary says on major feasts like the Epiphany when it quotes Leo, Gregoey, and other Venerable Fathers and their comments on the Jews. Some of them would probably have a hard time being canonized in this age of hyper-scrutiny of statements for politically “incorrect” statements.

As for “Chosen People” and his/her comments, I wonder how worked up s/he gets over, say, the Armenians and THEIR genocide.

 

[GerardP]

Clearly some people wouldn’t want to read what the 1962 Breviary says on major feasts like the Epiphany when it quotes Leo, Gregoey, and other Venerable Fathers and their comments on the Jews. Some of them would probably have a hard time being canonized in this age of hyper-scrutiny of statements for politically “incorrect” statements.

As for “Chosen People” and his/her comments, I wonder how worked up s/he gets over, say, the Armenians and THEIR genocide.

In the above mentioned documentary, there is an interview with the cartoonist Will Eisner. He describes very accurately a “race to victimhood” that whoever becomes the victim will gain the political support and all of the benefits to be taken advantage of by that status in our modern American society.

If there are too many victims, then the exclusive stature is diminished. So special interest groups will work to downplay another groups attempts to gain the media spotlight.

 

[chosen_people]

While I think this whole thread is a bit of an attempt to discredit the SSPX, it has provided some interesting insight into the dynamics of the relationship between the Church and its claims and the World which makes counter claims.

“Chosen People” ironically does not see or will not admit any partial guilt or complicity in historical persecutions. The very name “chosen people” is divisive by modern standards.

The truth of the matter is that Christians were persecuted by Jews and then the tables were turned to the disadvantage of many Jews.

But the persecution of Christians especially the Catholic Church (since it is the one true religion and makes that claim,) is still prevalent in modern times.

The slurs against Pius XII, the slurs against all forms of traditional Catholicism, the false claims that Vatican II actually changed a teaching of the Catholic Church. (The Church is still necessary for anyone to be saved)

Let’s not forget the number of paintings,plays, sculptures and books by Jewish authors who persistently and relentlessly hurl insult blasphemy and calumny at the person of our Divine Lord and Saviour Jesus.

But since Judaism has no central authority, no one can call this a cultural phenomenon without being labeled as bigoted by advocacy groups that are organized to attack Catholicism.

The crux of this problem is not the insult. It’s as Chesterton explained about the Puritans in “Heretics” it’s the lack of good Jews being willing to condemn the horrific actions of their own kind.

The lack of “defining” those particular groups of Jews within the larger Jewish community is lamentable, because they use the innocent among them as shields. The innocent are appealed to with cultural pressure not to abandon the tribal mentality that has helped Jews to survive over the centuries and also been the very source of their persecutions.

Any attempt to sift the wheat from the chaff in order to protect the innocent is treated as a “euphemism” for the ever evolving quality called “anti-semitism”. So all attempts to bring justifiable complaints againt blatant anti-Christians like Abe Foxman, Marvin Heir, Schmuley Boteach and those who hold similar views are smeared with the catch all “anti-semite” label.

I was watching the short documentary film “the Protocols of Zion” by Marc Levin. It was fascinating in that he was completely unaware that his behavior and that particularly of his father was insulting to Catholics. His father was ridiculting Catholic customs like the sign of the Cross and the sacrament of Confession while he told what is probably an apocryphal story about being called “Christ killer” by Catholics “who were always going to confession” How he knew this and substantiated it was never shown.

The Jewish community has the same problem with their extremists that their brothers the Muslims in the Middle East have. A lack of moderating and self criticism among their own.

I would appreciate very much your detailing the Jews “partial guilt or complicity in historical persecutions” of Jews. Please give examples - what the Jews did to cause the persecution - what was the reaction and whether you feel the persecution of the Jews in that situation was justified.

 

[GerardP]

I would appreciate very much your detailing the Jews “partial guilt or complicity in historical persecutions” of Jews. Please give examples - what the Jews did to cause the persecution - what was the reaction and whether you feel the persecution of the Jews in that situation was justified.

I would appreciate the same thing from the history you presented, that was my point. I was wondering why you edit history in that way.

But before I start jumping through hoops in an attempt to prove something to you that you could easily learn for yourself, I must ask, are you taking the stand that Jews are entirely innocent in every conflict ever involving Jews either individually or corporately? You seem to blame Hitler’s reviving of “the ghettoes” while ignoring the “Golden Liberty” given to the Jews by Catholic Poland at the request of the Jews.

And you ignore the fact that Hitler’s idea of the “Master Race” is directly linked to counter the idea of “Chosen People”. Only Judaism has ever claimed a biological “exclusivity” that sets it apart from the rest of the world. That is until, Nazism stole the concept.

My original point is that in your posts, there is no mention of any negative actions on the part of Jews ever in any conflict that they were ever involved in. Why is that? Where do you learn your history?

It is my position from basic observation and experience both of mass media trends and firsthand experience that Italians, Irish, Greeks, Germans, Spanish, Russians etc. can and do all admit the existence of unsavory members within their respective nationalities. They fully admit the existence of mafia and criminal elements, immoral trends and cultural affectations and the lamentable moments in history that their ancestors and contemporaries participated in as well as the laudable and noble contributions of each culture to the development of civilization.

Do you believe there is (like the other nationalities mentioned) a 'tribal" mentality that has been handed downover the centuries in the Jewish community? If not, why not? And if so, why is the public self-criticism not apparent on any comparable scale?

It would be an interesting study to find out if this cultural quality which is only shared by the Muslims was actually lifted by the Muslims from the Jews.

 

[Kristopher]

Kristopher

Thank you for your voice of reason compassion and intelligence. It has been sorely missed

Chosen People,

You’re welcome!

Kristopher

 

[batteddy]

And you ignore the fact that Hitler’s idea of the “Master Race” is directly linked to counter the idea of “Chosen People”. Only Judaism has ever claimed a biological “exclusivity” that sets it apart from the rest of the world. That is until, Nazism stole the concept.

Exactly. It has turned into a nationalism, an ethno-centric blood cult.

The Choseness of the Jewish people is Jesus Christ Himself, and the fact that he was to be born of that Most Glorious Jewess, the Blessed Virgin Mary.

When they turn their Chosenness into some sort of exclusivist racial superiority (whether they claim biological or “cultural” superiority etc, is irrelevant)…they show themselves to be of their father Satan and the desires of their father they will do, who was a murderer from the start.

Judaism has been Zionism since 33 AD. It has only manifested itself as an overt desire for a state in the past century and a half. But it went from a religion to a nationalism the day they handed over their God to the gentiles to be crucified and divided themselves into two groups: those that took up their cross and followed Him and those that did not.

 

[Kaninchen]

Exactly. It has turned into a nationalism, an ethno-centric blood cult.

The Choseness of the Jewish people is Jesus Christ Himself, and the fact that he was to be born of that Most Glorious Jewess, the Blessed Virgin Mary.

When they turn their Chosenness into some sort of exclusivist racial superiority (whether they claim biological or “cultural” superiority etc, is irrelevant)…they show themselves to be of their father Satan and the desires of their father they will do, who was a murderer from the start.

Judaism has been Zionism since 33 AD. It has only manifested itself as an overt desire for a state in the past century and a half. But it went from a religion to a nationalism the day they handed over their God to the gentiles to be crucified and divided themselves into two groups: those that took up their cross and followed Him and those that did not.

My goodness!