Does the Trinity have one mind or three minds?

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TheTrinitySaves said:
They have three minds.

The father is almighty, and the son and holy spirit are obedient and subjucated to his will. Together they make one supreme God.
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This is polytheism. Stop making up false doctrines. Obey what the church teaches.

"The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the “consubstantial Trinity”.83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), “Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature.”

CCC 253
 
PluniaZ said:
“And as His intellect is His own existence, so is His will.”

newadvent.org/summa/1019.htm#article1
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Thanks for your fast reply … I read the cite in its entirety … but I may need something a little more detailed … maybe some authority on Thomas, e.g., Gilson, who states explicitly that there is only one Divine Intellect and one Divine Will … if not, I understand …
 
PluniaZ said:
This is polytheism. Stop making up false doctrines. Obey what the church teaches.

"The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the “consubstantial Trinity”.83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), “Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature.”

CCC 253
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Ummm. We have had this discussion and agreed on my conclusion. I said ONE SUPREME GOD!!!
 
levinas12 said:
Thanks for your fast reply … I read the cite in its entirety … but I may need something a little more detailed … maybe some authority on Thomas, e.g., Gilson, who states explicitly that there is only one Divine Intellect and one Divine Will … if not, I understand …
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I think it necessarily follows from God’s simplicity.

Aquinas also says, “As the divine intellect is one, as seeing the many only in the one, in the same way the divine will is one and simple, as willing the many only through the one, that is, through its own goodness.”

newadvent.org/summa/1019.htm#article2
 
PluniaZ said:
And you continue to teach heresy. Stop doing that. Just repeat what the church teaches.
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I am repeating what the church teaches, Almots identical. Remeber several months ago we came to a conclusion thta their is only one God?
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
I am repeating what the church teaches, Almots identical. Remeber several months ago we came to a conclusion thta their is only one God?
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“Almost” isn’t good enough. You need to teach exactly what the church teaches, especially on this, the most important of all doctrines.

Again, the church teaches:

"The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the “consubstantial Trinity”.The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), “Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature.”

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm#252
 
PluniaZ said:
“Almost” isn’t good enough. You need to teach exactly what the church teaches, especially on this, the most important of all doctrines.

Again, the church teaches:

"The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the “consubstantial Trinity”.The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), “Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature.”

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm#252
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Where do I differ from you. You said I was promoting polytheism when i clearly said one God.
 
PluniaZ said:
This is polytheism. Stop making up false doctrines. Obey what the church teaches.

"The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the “consubstantial Trinity”.83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), “Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature.”

CCC 253
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He’s not making it up. He, like me, may genuinely be confused a need more clarity from more higher up authority on this issue.
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
Where do I differ from you. You said I was promoting polytheism when i clearly said one God.
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Simply saying, “One God” isn’t good enough. You also said:

“They have three minds. The father is almighty, and the son and holy spirit are obedient and subjucated to his will. Together they make one supreme God.”

This is heresy. As I posted here, the three persons of the Most HolyTrinity have one mind, not three minds.

The Son and the Holy Spirit are NOT obedient and subject to the Father’s will. That is pure Arianism and straight from the Arian Creed of Ulfilas: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulfilas#Creed_of_Ulfilas

The three persons of the Trinity do not “together make one supreme God.” Each person is God, as I have already posted twice from the Catechism of the Catholic Church: vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm#252
 
PluniaZ said:
Simply saying, “One God” isn’t good enough. You also said:

“They have three minds. The father is almighty, and the son and holy spirit are obedient and subjucated to his will. Together they make one supreme God.”

This is heresy. As I posted here, the three persons of the Most HolyTrinity have one mind, not three minds.

The Son and the Holy Spirit are NOT obedient and subject to the Father’s will. That is pure Arianism and straight from the Arian Creed of Ulfilas: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulfilas#Creed_of_Ulfilas

The three persons of the Trinity do not “together make one supreme God.” Each person is God, as I have already posted twice from the Catechism of the Catholic Church: vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm#252
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They are three distinct persons.
They have three seperate minds.
This is hardly hersey, in fact this is church teaching my friend.
 
PluniaZ said:
I think it necessarily follows from God’s simplicity.

Aquinas also says, “As the divine intellect is one, as seeing the many only in the one, in the same way the divine will is one and simple, as willing the many only through the one, that is, through its own goodness.”

newadvent.org/summa/1019.htm#article2
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THANK YOU … you’ve quote the reply to objection 4, in article 2 … that’s what I’ve been looking for … thanks again …
 
PluniaZ said:
Please quote where it says there are three minds in the Trinity.
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We cannot fully understand how the three divine Persons,** though really distinct from one anothe**r, are one and the same God because this is a supernatural mystery.
 
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