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OK. No condemnation from me
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Does this happen every generation? Or is something actually different?
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OK.
Do you agree with the so-called Golden Rule?
Treat others as you’d like to be treated?
Do you agree with the so-called Golden Rule?
Treat others as you’d like to be treated?
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I’m fully aware. After WWII we had the Cold War… Et Cet…
Now it’s returned - many times larger - and it’s a very Warm War…
There’s 2 Sides - and both are doing a lot of R&D and deployment in the EU and Beyond
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Now it’s returned - many times larger - and it’s a very Warm War…
There’s 2 Sides - and both are doing a lot of R&D and deployment in the EU and Beyond
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EndTimes
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I know that… And it’s not just War which we have to deal with…
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whatistrue
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One is too many as far as I am concerned. Is a thousand just fine with you? But a fast survey of actual ads will show anyone with an open mind that the attitude that husbands had a perfect and unquestioned right to physically discipline their wives was widespread and just assumed as the norm. I think that does qualify as rampant, but if you don’t might I gently suggest a thesaurus?Thus far, I have seen nothing to indicate
We are not talking about “too many”too many
We are talking about “was rampant in advertising until at least the 60s.”
Perhaps you can tell us all what rampant means.
Following that, we can address the truthfulness of the statement, wife beating “was rampant in advertising until at least the 60s.”
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GKMotley
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I think he does it to keep an eye on me.
Could be wrong.
Could be wrong.
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annem
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Jharek
You appear to be full of complaints against marriage. This is a common enough complaint today, as marriage circles the drain, illegitimacy grows apace, and more than anything else, children are being harmed. I am still waiting to hear your response to my stats:
So you will able no doubt to give links to some of this research. I call it parenting. I detest the term illegitimate.
Go to any university. Start looking up articles. Some date back to the early 1900s,.
Or here are some well known books on the subject: Fatherless America by Blankenhorn and Whitehead and The Abolition of Marriage Gallagher.
Some articles I have on hand:
The Kids Are Not Really Alright. worse to be raised by a single mother, even if you’re not poor.
By W. Bradford Wilcox|
“Parental divorce during childhood was the single strongest social predictor of early death.”
Via The Longevity Project: Surprising Discoveries for Health and Long Life from the Landmark Eight-Decade Study:
Robert Rector wrote in the study, “Being in an intact home reduces a child’s chances of living in poverty by 82 percent. While 37 percent of children in unmarried families were below the poverty level, less than seven percent of children in homes with both a mother and a father suffered the same fate.
Even when comparing equally well-educated families, marriage boosted a child’s chance of living above the poverty line by 75 percent. The income gap held true among all ethnic groups.
Harper, Cynthia C.; McLanahan, Sara S.
Journal of Research on Adolescence, v14 n3 p369-397 Sep 2004
2004-09-00
Journal of College Student Development, v51 n5 p599-600 Sep-Oct 2010
50. The Effect of Divorce on Suicide in Finland: A Time Series Analysis. (EJ451161)
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Stack, Steve
Journal of Marriage and the Family, v54 n3 p636-42 Aug 1992
1992-00-00
Parnell, Allan M.; And Others
Social Forces, v73 n1 p263-87 Sep 1994
without fathers are more aggressive and impulsive than others with two parents.
You appear to be full of complaints against marriage. This is a common enough complaint today, as marriage circles the drain, illegitimacy grows apace, and more than anything else, children are being harmed. I am still waiting to hear your response to my stats:
So you will able no doubt to give links to some of this research. I call it parenting. I detest the term illegitimate.
Go to any university. Start looking up articles. Some date back to the early 1900s,.
Or here are some well known books on the subject: Fatherless America by Blankenhorn and Whitehead and The Abolition of Marriage Gallagher.
Some articles I have on hand:
The Kids Are Not Really Alright. worse to be raised by a single mother, even if you’re not poor.
By W. Bradford Wilcox|
“Parental divorce during childhood was the single strongest social predictor of early death.”
Via The Longevity Project: Surprising Discoveries for Health and Long Life from the Landmark Eight-Decade Study:
Robert Rector wrote in the study, “Being in an intact home reduces a child’s chances of living in poverty by 82 percent. While 37 percent of children in unmarried families were below the poverty level, less than seven percent of children in homes with both a mother and a father suffered the same fate.
Even when comparing equally well-educated families, marriage boosted a child’s chance of living above the poverty line by 75 percent. The income gap held true among all ethnic groups.
- Adolescents from One Parent, Stepparent and Intact Families: Emotional Problems and Suicide Attempts. (EJ555174)
Garnefski, Nadia; Diekstra, Rene F. W.
Journal of Adolescence, v20 n2 p201-08 Apr 1997
1997-00-00 - Family Structure as a Predictor of Initial Substance Use and Sexual Intercourse in Early Adolescence. (EJ412755)
Journal of Marriage and the Family, v52 n1 p171-81 Feb 1990
1990-00-00Stringfellow, Erica L.; McAndrew, Francis T.
Harper, Cynthia C.; McLanahan, Sara S.
Journal of Research on Adolescence, v14 n3 p369-397 Sep 2004
2004-09-00
Journal of College Student Development, v51 n5 p599-600 Sep-Oct 2010
50. The Effect of Divorce on Suicide in Finland: A Time Series Analysis. (EJ451161)
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Stack, Steve
Journal of Marriage and the Family, v54 n3 p636-42 Aug 1992
1992-00-00
Parnell, Allan M.; And Others
Social Forces, v73 n1 p263-87 Sep 1994
without fathers are more aggressive and impulsive than others with two parents.
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annem
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Family transitions and juvenile delinquency.Demography. 2012 Jan 4.
There is a large body of research that shows children from non-intact homes show higher rates of juvenile delinquency than children from intact homes
Demography. 2009 Feb;46(1):85-101.
**hildren raised in cohabitating rather than married families were more likely to suffer family dissolution, delinquency , drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sexual abuse, and school failure rates.
Aust N Z J Psychiatry. 2011 Aug;45(8):629-37. Epub 2011 Jun 30.
Longitudinal analysis of maternal risk factors for childhood sexual abuse: early attitudes and behaviours, socioeconomic status, and mental health.
Martin A, Najman JM, Williams GM, Bor W, Gorton E, Alati R.
Increased risk for penetrative childhood sexual abuse was associated with the child being female, the mother having failed to complete a high school level education, and living in an alternative arrangement other than marriage.
Am Sociol Rev. 2011 Jun;76(3):465-486.
Nonmarital Childbearing, Union History, and Women’s Health at Midlife.
Results suggest that premarital childbearing is negatively associated with midlife health for women. Only enduring marriage to the biological father is associated with better health than remaining unpartnered.
Dev Psychol. 2010 Jan;46(1):151-64.
Early childhood family structure and mother-child interactions.
With data from the Early Childhood Longitudinal Study-Birth Cohort (n = 6,449), a nationally representative sample of births in 2001, we used hierarchical linear modeling to analyze differences Mothers living in cohabiting, divorced, or single families, when compared to married mothers, exhibited more negative and more intrusive behaviors; cohabiting mothers also scored lower on the measure of cognitive stimulation.
J Abnorm Child Psychol. 2011 Nov;39(8):1149-61.
Analyses linking instability to child behaviors at age 8 found that a greater total number of maternal relationship transitions predicted higher anxious, somatic, and conduct problems, with recent transitions (in the prior 2 years) driving these results. Consideration of partnership formations versus dissolutions indicated that recent entrances into new partnerships, and entrances into cohabitations, were most consistently associated with problematic functioning across numerous aspects of chi.
There is a large body of research that shows children from non-intact homes show higher rates of juvenile delinquency than children from intact homes
Demography. 2009 Feb;46(1):85-101.
**hildren raised in cohabitating rather than married families were more likely to suffer family dissolution, delinquency , drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sexual abuse, and school failure rates.
Aust N Z J Psychiatry. 2011 Aug;45(8):629-37. Epub 2011 Jun 30.
Longitudinal analysis of maternal risk factors for childhood sexual abuse: early attitudes and behaviours, socioeconomic status, and mental health.
Martin A, Najman JM, Williams GM, Bor W, Gorton E, Alati R.
Increased risk for penetrative childhood sexual abuse was associated with the child being female, the mother having failed to complete a high school level education, and living in an alternative arrangement other than marriage.
Am Sociol Rev. 2011 Jun;76(3):465-486.
Nonmarital Childbearing, Union History, and Women’s Health at Midlife.
Results suggest that premarital childbearing is negatively associated with midlife health for women. Only enduring marriage to the biological father is associated with better health than remaining unpartnered.
Dev Psychol. 2010 Jan;46(1):151-64.
Early childhood family structure and mother-child interactions.
With data from the Early Childhood Longitudinal Study-Birth Cohort (n = 6,449), a nationally representative sample of births in 2001, we used hierarchical linear modeling to analyze differences Mothers living in cohabiting, divorced, or single families, when compared to married mothers, exhibited more negative and more intrusive behaviors; cohabiting mothers also scored lower on the measure of cognitive stimulation.
J Abnorm Child Psychol. 2011 Nov;39(8):1149-61.
Analyses linking instability to child behaviors at age 8 found that a greater total number of maternal relationship transitions predicted higher anxious, somatic, and conduct problems, with recent transitions (in the prior 2 years) driving these results. Consideration of partnership formations versus dissolutions indicated that recent entrances into new partnerships, and entrances into cohabitations, were most consistently associated with problematic functioning across numerous aspects of chi.
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annem
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And once again you avoid discussing the statistics.
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GKMotley
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Concentrating on me, I suspect.
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Minks
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Hee-Haw: “Hiffen hit hain’t hwuhn thang . . . hit’s anudder!”When I feel depressed about the state of the world, I read history.
If it’s not one thing, it’s another!
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Minks
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Youngsters in the 50s were also keenly aware of the possibility of bombing and invasion of the US. We had DPs (Displaced Persons) from Germany in our country/small town school, and felt so sorry that they’d been forced to leave their homes with only the clothes that they’d been wearing.
In approximately 1952, I buried three very large glass jars, at least one gallon in size, about three feet deep and about five feet apart, in pasture land on our farm. I buried more of them for the next seven years. Some 60 years later, we relinquished the farm to a new owner. He’s sold the trees and bulldozed fences and tree stumps in order to plant, plant, plant in every available spot (breaks my heart!). I’ve often wondered if he’s ever found any of those jars.
Dad told us to trust in Jesus to keep us safe and to double down on prayers. Since we weren’t building an underground bomb bunker, I hoped that we would be able to hide from the foreigners who would invade if they bombed us, and that we could survive on the canned food that I’d stuck inside those jars. As a surprise, I included a small jar of maraschino cherries because my mother loved them so.
My stash hid can openers, a small crucifix, blessed candles (in case we were sick or injured), matches, spoons, Bag Balm (it heals all kinds of wounds, not just cow udders), McNess Salve, Vicks, alcohol, merthiolate, bandaids, gauze, sheet strips, and aspirins. One jar contained a rolled book about edible weeds; I really hated to tear off the cover, but sans cover was the only way to get it into that jar! I paid for my idea of survival kits with silver dollars earned in 4-H competitions and doing odd jobs for neighbors.
So, yes, OP, most generations have worried that the end of the world was nigh!
In approximately 1952, I buried three very large glass jars, at least one gallon in size, about three feet deep and about five feet apart, in pasture land on our farm. I buried more of them for the next seven years. Some 60 years later, we relinquished the farm to a new owner. He’s sold the trees and bulldozed fences and tree stumps in order to plant, plant, plant in every available spot (breaks my heart!). I’ve often wondered if he’s ever found any of those jars.
Dad told us to trust in Jesus to keep us safe and to double down on prayers. Since we weren’t building an underground bomb bunker, I hoped that we would be able to hide from the foreigners who would invade if they bombed us, and that we could survive on the canned food that I’d stuck inside those jars. As a surprise, I included a small jar of maraschino cherries because my mother loved them so.
My stash hid can openers, a small crucifix, blessed candles (in case we were sick or injured), matches, spoons, Bag Balm (it heals all kinds of wounds, not just cow udders), McNess Salve, Vicks, alcohol, merthiolate, bandaids, gauze, sheet strips, and aspirins. One jar contained a rolled book about edible weeds; I really hated to tear off the cover, but sans cover was the only way to get it into that jar! I paid for my idea of survival kits with silver dollars earned in 4-H competitions and doing odd jobs for neighbors.
So, yes, OP, most generations have worried that the end of the world was nigh!
How uncharitable.My wife is the elementary school teacher, not me. I no longer engage with the deliberately obtuse.
You are challenged on a statement that does not appear to be true, and you respond by insulting people instead of explaining how your statement is true.
No one here has insulted you. In fact we have gone out of our way to seek a solution that is both amicable and true.
Should I be taking this insult as concession that you really have no basis for the statement that wife beating was rampant in advertising until the 60’s?
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whatistrue
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You were given examples of what was being said (true, not by me, but examples nevertheless) and decided they weren’t sufficient. So be it; we disagree. Anything else?
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whatistrue
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Perhaps, but it struck me as disingenuous to ask for a definition for so ordinary a word.
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pnewton
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This. A similar phenomena happened during the Vietnam war when so much of it was televised for the first time. It was the first time soldiers came back to as much disgust as they did patriotism. Too many focused on what the news outlets put up for ratings to form opinions.I dont think so. I am 65. Too much media.
Now it is clicks. Information is exponentially more available and people tend to gravitate to those places that agree with them. Everything becomes amplified.
Speaking of becoming amplified, take the perception of ads of the past being discussed. That is a prime example. Young people look up all these dated ads and draw a conclusion from them about what ads were like. The confirmation bias is not even needed when one deliberately are drawn to the most extreme representations. Yet it is the extreme that gets posted, reposted, and a false understanding becomes fact. As a rule, if it is a “top ten” type of list, it is not an accurate representation. The only thing I can say about the ads of the past is that they were more jingly, or at least that how it is stuck in my head.
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I may edit (will have to consider, and to expand or explain rather than eliminate), but I don’t feel it would be honest on my part to simply remove and “pretend it didn’t happen”. If there are lumps to take, I will take them based on the full record.Remove the stroppy post and ignore him.
I do not want to be insulting or disingenuous.Perhaps, but it struck me as disingenuous to ask for a definition for so ordinary a word.
I simply do not see the case having been made that wife beating was rampant in advertising until the 60’s.
I know well what rampant means, but am open to the possibility that your usage is not the norm and that a single ad can be considered rampant.
Or perhaps you consider wife beating something different than normally is considered such…
I don’t know. I just know the case has not been backed up.
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PuerAzaelis
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Sometimes I think things are getting worse.
Then I look at world income graphs which show history from the 19th century on and I am encouraged. I hope global society as a whole is developing and becoming happier.
Then I look at world income graphs which show history from the 19th century on and I am encouraged. I hope global society as a whole is developing and becoming happier.
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