Does what we know about transgender people throw a wrench at Catholic teaching on sex and marriage?

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Stephanie_Pauls said:
There is no such thing as “reparative” therapy for transgenders. That is a pipe dream. Don’t try to scare me with all the health problems that might occur. You are talking to some who fears living much more than I ever will dieing.
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Sephan Godfrey ma man

and let us not forget the DSM III
DSM - IIIR
Transsexualism (302.50)
The essential features of this disorder are a persistent discomfort and sense of inappropriateness about one’s assigned sex in a person who has reached puberty. In addition, there is persistent preoccupa tion, for at least two years, with getting rid of one’s primary and secondary sex characteristics and acquiring the sex characteristics of the other sex. Therefore, the diagnosis is not made if the disturb ance is limited to brief periods of stress. Invariably there is the wish to live as a member of the other sex. In the rare cases in which physical intersexuality or a genetic abnormality is present, such a condition should be noted on Axis III.
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People with this disorder usually complain that they are uncomfortable wearing the clothes of their assigned sex and therefore dress in clothes of the other sex. Often they engage in activities that in our culture tend to be associated with the other sex. These people often find their genitals repugnant, which may lead to persistent requests for sex reassignment by hormonal and surgical means.
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To varying degrees, the behavior, dress, and mannerisms become those of the other sex. With cross-dressing and hormonal treatment (and for males, electrolysis), some males and some females with the disorder will appear relatively indistinguishable from members of the other sex. However, even after sex reassignment, many people still have some physical features of their originally assigned sex that the alert observer can recognize.
Cross-culturally, the Hijra of India and the corresponding group in Burma may have conditions that, according to this manual, would be diagnosed as male-to-female Transsexualism. The Hijra, however, tra ditionally undergo castration, not hormonal and surgical feminization (creation of a vagina).
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The DSM IV and DSM V are politically created and not scientifically created works.
 
CopticChristian said:
Sephan Godfrey ma man

and let us not forget the DSM III

The DSM IV and DSM V are politically created and not scientifically created works.
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Thats your opinion which Im not going to try to change. Thats all that is , is an opinion. My therapist(who I will not see till sugery time) says different.
 
Stephanie_Pauls said:
Thats your opinion which Im not going to try to change. Thats all that is , is an opinion. My therapist(who I will not see till sugery time) says different.
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SP, ma man,

Good luck…be sure to get your PSA checked regularly as all men need to be aware of Prostate Cancer screening.,…😃
 
Stephanie_Pauls said:
Only because Im over 40 and it runs rapant in my family.
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Stephan Godfrey ma man…,

Allow me to correct your statement…

Only because Im a man over 40 and it runs rapant in my family and what man wants Prostate Cancer?
 
Stephanie_Pauls said:
Thats your opinion which Im not going to try to change. Thats all that is , is an opinion. My therapist(who I will not see till sugery time) says different.
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Stephan Godfrey ma man,

Let’s clarify things…your 30 years of study yielded

a faulty understanding of genetics as it regards GD
a faulty belief that brain scans are diagnostic for GD
a faulty belief that there is no cure…
clinging to a non-existent Vatican document to support your belief…

because while you spent 30 years in self study…

within 2 days I provided you literature proof that there is help for those that wish not to have GD via

Hypnotherapy
Medication
Psychotherapy

You find what you want to find and when you look for support of your beliefs then that is all you will find…

man oh man oh man…dude you is researching with a bias to support your belief…
 
CopticChristian said:
Stephan Godfrey ma man,

Let’s clarify things…your 30 years of study yielded

a faulty understanding of genetics as it regards GD
a faulty belief that brain scans are diagnostic for GD
a faulty belief that there is no cure…
clinging to a non-existent Vatican document to support your belief…

because while you spent 30 years in self study…

within 2 days I provided you literature proof that there is help for those that wish not to have GD via

Hypnotherapy
Medication
Psychotherapy

You find what you want to find and when you look for support of your beliefs then that is all you will find…

man oh man oh man…dude you is researching with a bias to support your belief…
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Actually the first 10 years of studying I was as open minded as anyone. But the more I read the more Ive got to the point of where I am today, Im going to look at the stuff you brought up further in the coming days. Ill compare and contrast to what I already know. Because I am the Queen of comparing. I will decided whether to modify my thinking or not. I sugest you not hold your breath. At 45 Im set in my ways, haveing apsergers Im really set in my ways.
 
Stephanie_Pauls said:
Actually the first 10 years of studying I was as open minded as anyone. But the more I read the more Ive got to the point of where I am today, Im going to look at the stuff you brought up further in the coming days. Ill compare and contrast to what I already know. Because I am the Queen of comparing. I will decided whether to modify my thinking or not. I sugest you not hold your breath. At 45 Im set in my ways, haveing apsergers Im really set in my ways.
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Stephan ma man,

Do you see being set in your ways as a problem?

What do you believe that this means being set in your ways?

What exactly does this say about you being set in your ways?
 
CopticChristian said:
Stephan Godfrey,

There is nothing like a man with a sense of humor…:dancing::extrahappy:
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By the way look at the picture where the avatar goes. recently drown off a portrait of me by a friend. Don’t tell me that looks male to you. I allmost look like a twin to one of my 4 sisters in that picture.:p;)
 
Stephanie_Pauls said:
By the way look at the picture where the avatar goes. recently drown off a portrait of me by a friend. Don’t tell me that looks male to you. I allmost look like a twin to one of my 4 sisters in that picture.:p;)
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Yeah, then your sister must look like a man with long hair.

:p:shrug:
 
Stephanie_Pauls said:
By the way look at the picture where the avatar goes. recently drown off a portrait of me by a friend. Don’t tell me that looks male to you. I allmost look like a twin to one of my 4 sisters in that picture.:p;)
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Stephan Godfrey ma man,

Let’s accept that you are not what you look like. You want me and others to accept what it is you think. To draw attention to a picture and to suggest that this is you is contrary to your wanting acceptance for what you think.

Let’s accept that you suffer. I don’t have Aspergers. My grandfather did not commit homicide and was not Schizophrenic. I don’t have relatives with genetic abnormalities. I may have had some confusion as a child but I never got the point of looking in a mirror and questioning as you have.

With this in mind humanity is filled with suffering, some more than others and you have made your suffering of life somewhat public.

Notice one thing. Your therapist tells you what you want to hear and therapists get paid. I tell you what you need to know and I don’t get paid a dime.

I see that your sense of humor is coming out and that is a change from the dogmatic, this is that and that is this and for that I praise you. A good laugh always breaks the ice.

Let me ask you this. I know you are disabled and I assume it is because of the Aspergers. My sister was declared disabled however she continued to school and now works with the disabled.

If you could wave a magic wand and had one wish…would you wish away the Asperger or the Gender Dysphoria if only one wish were granted.

Take your time as you answer this.
 
CopticChristian said:
Stephan Godfrey ma man,

Let’s accept that you are not what you look like. You want me and others to accept what it is you think. To draw attention to a picture and to suggest that this is you is contrary to your wanting acceptance for what you think.

Let’s accept that you suffer. I don’t have Aspergers. My grandfather did not commit homicide and was not Schizophrenic. I don’t have relatives with genetic abnormalities. I may have had some confusion as a child but I never got the point of looking in a mirror and questioning as you have.

With this in mind humanity is filled with suffering, some more than others and you have made your suffering of life somewhat public.

Notice one thing. Your therapist tells you what you want to hear and therapists get paid. I tell you what you need to know and I don’t get paid a dime.

I see that your sense of humor is coming out and that is a change from the dogmatic, this is that and that is this and for that I praise you. A good laugh always breaks the ice.

Let me ask you this. I know you are disabled and I assume it is because of the Aspergers. My sister was declared disabled however she continued to school and now works with the disabled.

If you could wave a magic wand and had one wish…would you wish away the Asperger or the Gender Dysphoria if only one wish were granted.

Take your time as you answer this.
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Id wish away aspergers, because noone is will to deal with the problems its causes etc etrc. We are in a society that worships multitasking and because of aspergers I couldnt multitask if my life depended on it. As far as my therapist goes. She is working pro bono because Im very very low income. She is doing it for free.
 
Stephanie_Pauls said:
Id wish away aspergers, because noone is will to deal with the problems its causes etc etrc. We are in a society that worships multitasking and because of aspergers I couldnt multitask if my life depended on it. As far as my therapist goes. She is working pro bono because Im very very low income. She is doing it for free.
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SP,

So Aspergers for you is the greater cross to bear and that indicates to me that GD is easier to deal with than Asperger. So let us say for discussion sake the magic wand allowed two wishes…would you wish away the GD?
 
Stephanie_Pauls said:
By the way look at the picture where the avatar goes. recently drown off a portrait of me by a friend. Don’t tell me that looks male to you. I allmost look like a twin to one of my 4 sisters in that picture.:p;)
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Because the hair is long? Plenty of men have had long hair and even a feminine hair style, but that didn’t make them female.
:confused:
 
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