Does your faith indluence who you for vote in a secular election?

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TobyLue said:
However, one wants to appoint conservative judges while the other one wants to make sure to appoint judges that will never ever overturn Roe Vs Wade.
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This is untrue. Trump has said, explicitly, regarding Roe v. Wade; “The laws are set, and I think we have to leave it that way.” He’s also said that his sister, one of the most liberal abortion activists around, would make a “phenomenal” Supreme Court Justice. There is no guarantee with Trump. Not at all. Frankly, a vote for Trump is a vote for Roe v. Wade.
TobyLue said:
One wants to defund Planned Parenthood and the other one wants to have religious beliefs change for the sake of abortion and stands with Planned Parenthood. One selected a former Catholic who is pro-life and also wants to defund Planned Parenthood. The other one selected a “devout Catholic” who has a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood and wants to repeal the Hyde Ammendment.
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This is also totally false. Both Trump and Clinton are Planned Parenthood supporters. Trump has even said:“Millions and millions of women — cervical cancer, breast cancer — are helped by Planned Parenthood. So you can say whatever you want, but they have millions of women going through Planned Parenthood that are helped greatly.”

When neither candidate has the correct issue on Life, I won’t try to rationalize voting for one or the other. Third party it is.
 
I share the opinion that faith should influence every decision we make.
 
truetofaith said:
I guess you believe in abortion?
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Like the majority of my countrymen, I support the wisdom and justice of Roe vs. Wade. R v. W is about privacy. I believe that it is no one’s business if a woman is pregnant until that woman makes it someone else’s business.
 
benhur said:
Hi LS,

Shall I be blunt and say your faith is not my faith ? Shall I post in rebuke or contend for a better faith between us ? We do have the same Shepherd, and are to die to our own ways and thoughts for His ?

The same thing that hardens clay melts wax. I was not above "mentoring’’ on a Godly pleasing vote once.

I know there is a right way (being "right’) but there is also wisdom, allowing for wiggle room. But I am just not enlightened as to how voting Democrat can be either for a Christian (though it is done often, as are many other wrong things under the sun). Quit understandable though heart breaking.

Blessings and enlightenment for both of us.
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Hi benhur -

As a Christian and a Catechist for my own Faith, I believe in the wisdom and justice of Roe v. Wade. As a Christian and a Catechist for my own Faith, I join my fellows in striving to create a world where all life is welcomed, wanted, loved, nurtured…CELEBRATED.

God’s Peace to you, my friend.
 
As far as I am concerned neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump stand for Catholic values. They both are power hungry, rich, and really could care less about Christianity in any form, they just use it to get votes. I doubt neither could really say they live in Christ’s footsteps. As for religion, I had a difficult time with Romney because of his Mormon heritage, however I still liked him more than Obama. The thing is, this country has only had one Catholic president, JFK. Trump is divorced, Hillary has done many things that are viewed as sin, she lies about every other sentence. I really don’t think religion has anything to do with this election, I mean Joe Biden is Catholic yet he doesn’t adhere to the teachings in anyway it seems. I think in the end politics has nothing to do with religion.
 
jas84173 said:
As far as I am concerned neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump stand for Catholic values. They both are power hungry, rich, and really could care less about Christianity in any form, they just use it to get votes. I doubt neither could really say they live in Christ’s footsteps. As for religion, I had a difficult time with Romney because of his Mormon heritage, however I still liked him more than Obama. The thing is, this country has only had one Catholic president, JFK. Trump is divorced, Hillary has done many things that are viewed as sin, she lies about every other sentence. I really don’t think religion has anything to do with this election, I mean Joe Biden is Catholic yet he doesn’t adhere to the teachings in anyway it seems. I think in the end politics has nothing to do with religion.
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Even the first Catholic president…J.F. Kennedy was a poor example of a Catholic.

If a candidate can reduce abortions or other evils, then we should take this into consideration when voting.
 
Little_Sheep said:
Hi benhur -

As a Christian and a Catechist for my own Faith, I believe in the wisdom and justice of Roe v. Wade. As a Christian and a Catechist for my own Faith, I join my fellows in striving to create a world where all life is welcomed, wanted, loved, nurtured…CELEBRATED.

God’s Peace to you, my friend.
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As I recall, even Ruth Bader Ginsburg has said that RvW was bad law, meaning there was no place in the constitution where this right could be found. I agree with that. In these days and times there are many ways, NFP for Catholics being one of them, to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. And as a Catholic, I do not want my tax money spent at PP.
 
My faith will be influencing my vote - I’ll probably be going with Gary Johnson or, depending on how things go, Trump.

Reasons being that Johnson appears to be for all-around deregulation. The government has become too restrictive of people and is hindering their ability to provide for themselves and eachother. I also believe it is an individual’s responsibility to make their own moral choices, which my faith reinforces. If marijuana and abortion are legalized, that’s not something that’s going to affect me other than reciprocally, nor God any more than if it were illegal: I don’t plan on using them, and for those intent on using them, using laws to hinder other people’s objectives on those fronts isn’t likely going to change their intentions. It’s the same logic that applies for guns: even if they were to be made illegal, people are still going to find them, buy them, and use them - but most of those people will be the ones we’re trying to stop from obtaining guns (or other services) in the first place. Often-times it is mostly good people who suffer from these kinds of strictures when they are decided on a national level - so I’d like to see a return of some authority to the state and to the individual at the expense of national government.

Let localities decide these issues for themselves so we are neither hindering eachother universally with blanket solutions, nor representing things that we morally cannot support. We can’t give away our constitutional and natural freedoms just to prevent people from relinquishing their own young.

For the record though, Johnson does seem to be supportive of tax money going to Planned Parenthood. I’m hoping this is a stance that can be rerouted though.
 
Little_Sheep said:
Hi benhur -

As a Christian and a Catechist for my own Faith, I believe in the wisdom and justice of Roe v. Wade. As a Christian and a Catechist for my own Faith, I join my fellows in striving to create a world where all life is welcomed, wanted, loved, nurtured…CELEBRATED.

God’s Peace to you, my friend.
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Hi LS,

Ok Thank for responding.

Sorry to see Roe decision you think was wise. It is wrong on so many levels even on legal premise (innocent till proven guilty).

As to welcoming life to a great place, Hitler tried the same thing, as did some of our churches in early 20th C (eugenics).

The premise is in deciding when life begins, on both my/your counts.

Kind of like if the “life” will* not *be welcome, wanted, loved, nurtured celebrated, just don’t call it “life”.

Very old fashioned, primitive, barbaric relative to todays science.

Blessings

PS- Barnabus, …“Thou shalt not slay the child by procuring abortion; nor, again, shalt thou destroy it after it is born” (Letter of Barnabas 19 [A.D. 74]).
 
benhur said:
Hi LS,

Ok Thank for responding.

Sorry to see Roe decision you think was wise. It is wrong on so many levels even on legal premise (innocent till proven guilty).

As to welcoming life to a great place, Hitler tried the same thing, as did some of our churches in early 20th C (eugenics).

The premise is in deciding when life begins, on both my/your counts.

Kind of like if the “life” will* not *be welcome, wanted, loved, nurtured celebrated, just don’t call it “life”.

Very old fashioned, primitive, barbaric relative to todays science.

Blessings

PS- Barnabus, …“Thou shalt not slay the child by procuring abortion; nor, again, shalt thou destroy it after it is born” (Letter of Barnabas 19 [A.D. 74]).
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Darkness is many times veiled in light. (abortion /choice respectively).

Irony sometimes reveals error. (A woman killing her own baby thru abortion is legal. Someone assaulting the woman killing her baby inside is murder. Abort the baby inside the mother is legal abortion . Kill it outside after surviving abortion -murder)
 
mary_bobo said:
As I recall, even Ruth Bader Ginsburg has said that RvW was bad law, meaning there was no place in the constitution where this right could be found. I agree with that. In these days and times there are many ways, NFP for Catholics being one of them, to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. And as a Catholic, I do not want my tax money spent at PP.
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As an Episcopalian, I don’t want my tax money spent on nonsense wars or any number of other evils. Alas, no one in DC seems to care! Sigh…

I’ve learned to live with our messy Republic. But, like you, I suspect, I am pleased to not be silenced if I voice my opposition.
 
Little_Sheep said:
As an Episcopalian, I don’t want my tax money spent on nonsense wars or any number of other evils. Alas, no one in DC seems to care! Sigh…

I’ve learned to live with our messy Republic. But, like you, I suspect, I am pleased to not be silenced if I voice my opposition.
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Hi LS,

As an Episcopalian, is it nonsense or evil to spend money on abortions that are out convenience, or birth control, which are a majority of abortions, as opposed to rape/incest/life of mother ?

Blessings
 
Dacinom said:
Faith plays some role for sure but I am not voting for a spiritual director. This is politics and government. I usually go for the “least-worst” since most often there is no “best” sorry to say. I try and think of who will do the least amount of damage when it comes to matters of important issues, sometimes it’s a tough call.
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We actually have a clear choice here.

When one knows a political party has as their plank, pro abortion, and the other is for life, one can’t vote that party of abortion…

Democrat party platform ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm

Republican party platform ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm

Not to mention the Mexico City policy
abcnews.go.com/Politics/Inter…6716958&page=1

A Catholic voting for any democrat knowing that difference is there between parties, is guilty of all the abortions associated with that vote.

One’s soul is on the line here.

2271 , 2272 , 2274 , 2322
 
Would you vote for a Sociopath claiming he’s pro - life or a Pro - Choice Candidate ?
 
In some ways my faith influences my vote. However, it seems that in many Catholic circles voting for a candidate always revolves around a candidate’s view on abortion, and nothing else (maybe gay marriage). While I am definitely on the pro-life side. Sometimes it seems that politicians who say they are “pro-life” tend to just pander for votes.
 
When Pope Francis visited the United States, our Pope stated the four Americans that he admired the most were " Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King. While Republicans waited to hear Ronald Reagan and Democrats John F. Kennedy as the last two names they were disappointed. Pope Francis named " Dorothy Day and Thomas Merton " two far left Liberals of their day. One could argue all four names were Liberals of their day.
It’s a shame that many Catholics demonize Liberals when Liberals have contributed so much to our Faith. We need to embrace Church Dogma without demonizing any political group or party. In the last presidential election 75 % of Catholic Latinos and 40% White Catholics voted Democratic. 51 % of all US Catholics voted Democratic. Shall we excommunicate half of the US Catholics in our Church ? Well I’m just a PassingSoul searching for an all inclusive Church.
 
adawgj said:
In some ways my faith influences my vote. However, it seems that in many Catholic circles voting for a candidate always revolves around a candidate’s view on abortion, and nothing else (maybe gay marriage). While I am definitely on the pro-life side. Sometimes it seems that politicians who say they are “pro-life” tend to just pander for votes.
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Because abortion is MURDER not a choice!

Our parish along with many interfairh churches gathered regularly at our local PP and prayed, prayed it away!!! It shut down last year. That is the frontlines to stop this murder industry.
 
Michael68 said:
Our parish along with many interfairh churches gathered regularly at our local PP and prayed, prayed it away!!! It shut down last year. That is the frontlines to stop this murder industry.
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That is awesome 👍
 
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