Does your faith indluence who you for vote in a secular election?

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Hello all,
Just curious to what extent your faith influences for whom you will vote in a secular election like the upcoming US presidential election or any other election, for that matter.

For instance, do you vote for a candidate of the same faith as yours (if there is one) as the main voting qualification criteria or does faith play no role whatsoever? Perhaps somewhere in between?

Background example:
Back in 1976 and 1980, my fellow evangelicals voted for Jimmy Carter in large numbers. At my evangelical university in 1980, I was looked down upon when I was asked for whom I was going to vote and I told them, "Ronald Reagan’. After all, Ronald Reagan was a divorced movie star whereas Jimmy Carter was a faithful Christian of one wife who wore his faith on his sleeves. At my Christian school, I was considered a disloyal rebel who was out of step with what was considered right by my peer group.

I told them at the time that if I was voting for next door neighbor, I would vote for Carter but that I thought Reagan would make the better overall leader based on other traits I saw in him.

In this year’s US presidential election, one of the candidates is of the same Christian faith tradition as me. However, I do not share that political party’s views on many important issues and so I do not intend to vote for that candidate, even though the opposing candidate is not much to write home about, either.

Scenario for Catholics:
One of the vice presidential candidates is a Catholic who by all accounts attends Mass regularly and even sings in the choir. However, he is part of a ticket that opposes Catholic teaching on abortion and same sex marriage, if I understand correctly.

The opposing VP candidate is an evangelical who shares the same views on abortion and “gay marriage” that Catholicism teaches, but he is not a practicing Catholic anymore.

As a Catholic, are you more apt to vote for the candidate who has a Catholic VP running mate or the one who holds similar views as the Catholic Church on matters such as abortion and gay marriage but is not Catholic? Or does none of this factor in at all?

In case someone is interested about my own personal beliefs on this subject, my Christian faith helps form my conscience and my world view, which in turns helps me decide who to vote for – but my faith alone (no pun intended) is not the overriding factor, as illustrated above in the 1980 example I shared.

Your thoughts and (name removed by moderator)ut are welcomed.
**FACT: No Catholic & No Christian in good conscience can vote for today’s Democrats at least on the National level. to do so is a MORTAL SIN as it is complicity with Abortion and SSM, Transgender bathrooms, locker rooms ect.
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This is NOT a political issue; it IS a MORAL issue. Abortion; murder/ thou shalt not kill is the 5th Commandment given to us by God… ALL other issues are secondary to it.

Here is part of an excellent explanation by Cardinal Burke, that ALL of us NEED to read

READ the Democratic Party platform.if you still harbor doubts

Not sure how to vote in the U.S. election? Here’s Cardinal Burke’s advice

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...onsider-candidate-who-defend-life-family-free

ROME, Italy, August 30, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) — Cardinal Raymond Burke, one of the most outspoken defenders on Catholic teaching regarding life, marriage, sexuality, and the family, weighed in on the upcoming U.S. election, telling reporters that the faithful must vote for the candidate who will do the most to “advance” the protection of human life, defense of the family, respect for freedom, and care for the poor.

“I think that what we have to do in this time is to look at both candidates to see if one of them will not, at least in some way, advance the common good, both with respect to the good of human life, the good of the family, the freedom of conscience, the care of the poor, and to look at that very carefully,” the Cardinal told reporters during an international teleconference conducted by Carmel Communications and attended by LifeSiteNews.
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s support for abortion has been called “extreme and unlimited.”

She asserts that unborn babies have no constitutional rights. She has promised to appoint only pro-abortion judges to the Supreme Court. She supports abortion during all nine months of pregnancy and has promised, if elected, to enact the largest expansion of taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand in history.

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump says he supports abortion restriction and has called himself “pro-life” on various occasions, but in the past he identified himself as “very pro-choice.” He believes that Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion in 1973, should be overturned. He said he would stop funding Planned Parenthood “as long as they’re doing abortions.” He also promised to appoint pro-life justices to the Supreme Court and to defend “religious liberty” by appealing the Johnson Amendment.

God Bless you

Patrick
 
In some ways my faith influences my vote. However, it seems that in many Catholic circles voting for a candidate always revolves around a candidate’s view on abortion,
Since Roe V Wade, 1.5 million babies / year in the US alone, have been legally murdered under the guise of “choice”. Do the math. 43 years x 1.5 million = 64.5 million children murdered by abortion. Don’t fool yourself, people who vote for Democrats vote in support of that platform.

Democrat party platform ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm

Republican party platform ontheissues.org/Celeb/Rep…y_Abortion.htm

Not to mention the Mexico City policy
abcnews.go.com/Politics/Inter…6716958&page=1

A Catholic voting for any democrat knowing that difference is there between Democrat and Republican, is guilty of all the aborted babies associated with that vote.

Dt 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live,

A voter’s soul is on the line here.

2271 , 2272 , 2274 , 2322
a:
and nothing else (maybe gay marriage).
you were referring to a political candidates view on that issue.

Absolutely it is good to get a candidate’s view. Because ANY candidate supporting that issue, as well as abortion, is or has already sold their soul for votes.
a:
While I am definitely on the pro-life side. Sometimes** it seems that politicians who say they are “pro-life” tend to just pander for votes**.
Really?

Look again at the party platform of each party (above links).
 
When Pope Francis visited the United States, our Pope stated the four Americans that he admired the most were " Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King. While Republicans waited to hear Ronald Reagan and Democrats John F. Kennedy as the last two names they were disappointed. Pope Francis named " Dorothy Day and Thomas Merton " two far left Liberals of their day. One could argue all four names were Liberals of their day.
It’s a shame that many Catholics demonize Liberals when Liberals have contributed so much to our Faith. We need to embrace Church Dogma without demonizing any political group or party. In the last presidential election 75 % of Catholic Latinos and 40% White Catholics voted Democratic. 51 % of all US Catholics voted Democratic. Shall we excommunicate half of the US Catholics in our Church ? Well I’m just a PassingSoul searching for an all inclusive Church.
Hi PS,

But narrow is the gate…and wide is the other gate, purposely “inclusive”.

Blessings
 
Because abortion is MURDER not a choice!

Our parish along with many interfairh churches gathered regularly at our local PP and prayed, prayed it away!!! It shut down last year. That is the frontlines to stop this murder industry.
That’s great to hear 👍.
 
Since Roe V Wade, 1.5 million babies / year in the US alone, have been legally murdered under the guise of “choice”. Do the math. 43 years x 1.5 million = 64.5 million children murdered by abortion. Don’t fool yourself, people who vote for Democrats vote in support of that platform.

Democrat party platform ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm

Republican party platform ontheissues.org/Celeb/Rep…y_Abortion.htm

Not to mention the Mexico City policy
abcnews.go.com/Politics/Inter…6716958&page=1

A Catholic voting for any democrat knowing that difference is there between Democrat and Republican, is guilty of all the aborted babies associated with that vote.

Dt 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live,

A voter’s soul is on the line here.

2271 , 2272 , 2274 , 2322

you were referring to a political candidates view on that issue.

Absolutely it is good to get a candidate’s view. Because ANY candidate supporting that issue, as well as abortion, is or has already sold their soul for votes.

Really?

Look again at the party platform of each party (above links).
Thanks for the links, obviously the Democratic party platform supports abortion. However, when it comes down to voting. I disagree with Republicans more than I do with Democrats. This is where I struggle when it comes to voting.

As a Catholic I understand that we need to pray and fight the good fight in ending abortion. My parish supports an ultra-sound facility that helps women, and provides other needs for pregnant women in crisis. It’s also the only one in town.

But once again when it comes to voting, I disagree with the Republican Party platform on just about every other issue (economy, taxes, military spending, environment, education funding etc.). I am not sure if I can compromise my vote for just one issue (I know it’s a big one), when I care about many other issues. You could say it is difficult for me and my conscience.
 
Thanks for the links, obviously the Democratic party platform supports abortion. However, when it comes down to voting. I disagree with Republicans more than I do with Democrats. This is where I struggle when it comes to voting.

As a Catholic I understand that we need to pray and fight the good fight in ending abortion. My parish supports an ultra-sound facility that helps women, and provides other needs for pregnant women in crisis. It’s also the only one in town.

But once again when it comes to voting, I disagree with the Republican Party platform on just about every other issue (economy, taxes, military spending, environment, education funding etc.). I am not sure if I can compromise my vote for just one issue (I know it’s a big one), when I care about many other issues. You could say it is difficult for me and my conscience.
If you look into the other issues, you may find the Democratic position is not so great.
 
:confused:

Are you saying you’re opposed to Roe v Wade being overturned?
NOOOOOOOO, in another commercial they imply that if abortion is illegal women would be shut off from proper healthcare. I don’t know because even WITH proper healthcare the procedure only has a 50% survival rate.

I am just amazed at how Planned Parenthood is being exalted as this great human services organization.

I mean I’m glad the woman in that commercial beat cancer, but the commercial turns my stomach.
 
Hi LS,

As an Episcopalian, is it nonsense or evil to spend money on abortions that are out convenience, or birth control, which are a majority of abortions, as opposed to rape/incest/life of mother ?

Blessings
I think you may be unfamiliar the TEC’s stance on abortion - the church always considers abortion to be “serious matter” and the Church trusts its women to approach it as such.
 
One who talks loosely about nuclear weapons and is unstable on his positions from day to day which pro-death Canidate are you referring to ?
Do you really want to go down this road when one candidate is clearly to absent minded to keep classified information classified?
 
Do you really want to go down this road when one candidate is clearly to absent minded to keep classified information classified?
The road I will travel is one that does not call our Pope disgraceful in not agreeing to what he defines as Christian like. I will not travel the road where a candidate claims he knows more then our generals, who cozies up to a former KGB Communist and who lacks common sense to question a Gold Star Mother’s patriotism. I will not blindly travel a road once taken in the 1930’s.
It’s fine to be a Zealot Defendor of the Faith and a Conservative Voter but respect other Christians opinions who will not vote blindly on a single issue.
 
The road I will travel is one that does not call our Pope disgraceful in not agreeing to what he defines as Christian like. I will not travel the road where a candidate claims he knows more then our generals, who cozies up to a former KGB Communist and who lacks common sense to question a Gold Star Mother’s patriotism. I will not blindly travel a road once taken in the 1930’s.
It’s fine to be a Zealot Defendor of the Faith and a Conservative Voter but respect other Christians opinions who will not vote blindly on a single issue.
Yet you will turn a blind eye to HRC. Ok
 
Yet you will turn a blind eye to HRC. Ok
Actually I didn’t vote for HRC in the Primary. In my life time I have voted for more Republicans than Democrats. I agree with Trump on unfair trade and currency manipulation and probably would of voted for him if he had kept his mouth shut and not shown his true heart. We can agree to disagree on who is more morally corrupt between the two.
Have a nice day !
 
Thanks for the links, obviously the Democratic party platform supports abortion.
So we can’t vote for any of them
a:
However, when it comes down to voting. I disagree with Republicans more than I do with Democrats. This is where I struggle when it comes to voting.
there is no “however”

Democrats are guilty of mass infanticide
a:
As a Catholic I understand that we need to pray and fight the good fight in ending abortion.
And that means don’t vote for pro abortion candidates
a:
My parish supports an ultra-sound facility that helps women, and provides other needs for pregnant women in crisis. It’s also the only one in town.

But once again when it comes to voting, I disagree with the Republican Party platform on just about every other issue (economy, taxes, military spending, environment, education funding etc.). I am not sure if I can compromise my vote for just one issue (I know it’s a big one), when I care about many other issues. You could say it is difficult for me and my conscience.
Here’s some more information

Re: your issues highlighted in red.
  • The reason our interest rates are so low and have been so low for years, is because the economy is doing so poorly. Our economy has only been growing at or near 1% / yr … FOR YEARS under this president. That’s anemic. We do NOT need another 4 more yrs of failed Democrat policies
  • Unemployment isn’t 4% as the Obama administration wants us all to believe… the real number is closer to 10% (9.9%)
  • Due to our high taxes, companies and jobs are going to Mexico and overseas. money.cnn.com/2014/07/07/news/economy/tax-advantage-inversion/,
  • wsj.com/articles/ford-to-more-than-double-mexico-production-capacity-in-2018-1454857923 ,
  • those jobs are gone for our workers.
  • and Nabisco is gone also and many more companies preparing to go.
  • etc etc
  • Hillary wants to raise taxes even higher than they are now. End result, more companies leaving the U.S. and at a faster pace. Think about THAT consequence.
  • As far as the military, we need them and we need them to be strong
So where’s your conflict?
a:
I am not sure if I can compromise my vote for just one issue (I know it’s a big one), when I care about many other issues. You could say it is difficult for me and my conscience.
You already know abortion is condemned. You have been given many links from all kinds of sources including Scripture and the CCC. Ya can’t just ignore what you’ve learned, without serious consequences to your own soul.

Here’s one more piece of information.

Tim Kaine (D) VP candidate for Hillary and a (CINO) Catholic in name only, wants to nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tim-kaine-now-backs-lifting-hyde-amendment-banning-abortion-funding-n618246

So the Hillary & Tim ticket, is 100% pro abortion all the way. And all those murdered souls due to Democrat rule, and their political platform of abortion at any stage of life, will be on every person’s soul who votes for a Democrat.

Keep in mind, I’m just giving information, and actions have consequences.
 
I think you may be unfamiliar the TEC’s stance on abortion - the church always considers abortion to be “serious matter” and the Church trusts its women to approach it as such.
Hi LS,

I know little of your church , but some reading suggest she is on slippery slope, or conflicting in its declarations. It wants no legislation restricting abortion but does not want to condone abortion either. That it is a “serious” matter. A bit like the "conflict’’, due to error, as found in Pilate washing his hands.

One thing is legislation by a civil authority . Another is by a church calling black black and white white, or* not*. The church can be “declarative” without denying individual conscience. Like masking an unGodly deed with the light of Godly free will/ individual conscience.

Blessings
 
So we can’t vote for any of them

there is no “however”

Democrats are guilty of mass infanticide

And that means don’t vote for pro abortion candidates

Here’s some more information

Re: your issues highlighted in red.
  • The reason our interest rates are so low and have been so low for years, is because the economy is doing so poorly. Our economy has only been growing at or near 1% / yr … FOR YEARS under this president. That’s anemic. We do NOT need another 4 more yrs of failed Democrat policies
  • Unemployment isn’t 4% as the Obama administration wants us all to believe… the real number is closer to 10% (9.9%)
  • Due to our high taxes, companies and jobs are going to Mexico and overseas. money.cnn.com/2014/07/07/news/economy/tax-advantage-inversion/,
  • wsj.com/articles/ford-to-more-than-double-mexico-production-capacity-in-2018-1454857923 ,
  • those jobs are gone for our workers.
  • and Nabisco is gone also and many more companies preparing to go.
  • etc etc
  • Hillary wants to raise taxes even higher than they are now. End result, more companies leaving the U.S. and at a faster pace. Think about THAT consequence.
  • As far as the military, we need them and we need them to be strong
So where’s your conflict?

You already know abortion is condemned. You have been given many links from all kinds of sources including Scripture and the CCC. Ya can’t just ignore what you’ve learned, without serious consequences to your own soul.

Here’s one more piece of information.

Tim Kaine (D) VP candidate for Hillary and a (CINO) Catholic in name only, wants to nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tim-kaine-now-backs-lifting-hyde-amendment-banning-abortion-funding-n618246

So the Hillary & Tim ticket, is 100% pro abortion all the way. And all those murdered souls due to Democrat rule, and their political platform of abortion at any stage of life, will be on every person’s soul who votes for a Democrat.

Keep in mind, I’m just giving information, and actions have consequences.
Thank you!

Very significant and absolutely CORRECT expression of God’s 5th Commandment:

THOU SHALT NOT KILL… Abortion is murder, and NO Christian or Catholic in ANY way, ANY manner, to ANY degree can support it. Such is a Mortal sin, and frankly a
crime against humanity.

This IS NOT a political issue, it is a MORAL issue that supersedes ALL Party affiliations.

Pray much, God Bless you

Patrick
 
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