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But there are no extant copies of an Aramaic, or Hebrew manuscript of Matthew as far as I know.
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Your are right St. Jerome is not an Apostle. He was a bishop, a successor of the Apostles. He translated the Greek Manuscript into Latin to be use in Latin Rite Liturgy.
As you know, we do not have the original copy of the NT manuscripts. The one we have are copies preserved by Monastic monks that was preserved throughout the centuries.
We can only speculate if the original manuscript were written in Greek. One ought to consider that the Apostles and Jesus himself spoke Aramaic.
The language of Aramaic isn’t a dead language it is preserved in the Assyrians.
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I believe that the original manuscript of the Old Testament were originally written in Aramaic tongue.
I can point out to different passages in the Bible.
Talitha qoum (Ταλιθα κουμ)
Mark 5:41
And taking the hand of the child, he said to her, “Talitha koum”, which is translated, “Little girl, I say to you, get up”
Ephphatha (Εφφαθα)
Mark 7:34
And looking up to heaven, he sighed and said to him, “Ephphatha”, which is ‘be opened’.
Once again, the Aramaic word is given with a translation. In Greek, the Aramaic is written εφφαθα. This is from the Aramaic ‘ethpthaħ’, the passive imperative of the verb ‘pthaħ’, ‘to open’. The guttural ‘ħ’ was generally softened in Galilean Aramaic,[2].
I can point out to different passages in the Bible.
Talitha qoum (Ταλιθα κουμ)
Mark 5:41
And taking the hand of the child, he said to her, “Talitha koum”, which is translated, “Little girl, I say to you, get up”
Ephphatha (Εφφαθα)
Mark 7:34
And looking up to heaven, he sighed and said to him, “Ephphatha”, which is ‘be opened’.
Once again, the Aramaic word is given with a translation. In Greek, the Aramaic is written εφφαθα. This is from the Aramaic ‘ethpthaħ’, the passive imperative of the verb ‘pthaħ’, ‘to open’. The guttural ‘ħ’ was generally softened in Galilean Aramaic,[2].
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In Aramaic, it could be (אתפתח).
Abba (Αββα)
Mark 14:36
Abba, an Aramaic word (written Αββα in Greek, and 'abbā in Aramaic), is immediately followed by the Greek equivalent (Πατηρ) with no explicit mention of it being a translation. The phrase Abba, Father is repeated in Romans 8:15 and Galatians 4:6.
In Aramaic, it could be (אבא).
Raca (Ρακα)
Matthew 5:22
Raca, or Raka, in the Aramaic of the Talmud means empty one, fool, empty head.
In Aramaic, it could be (ריקא) or (ריקה).
Note: The phrase “without a cause” is missing from Matthew 5:22 in the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus.
Mammon (Μαμωνας)
Gospel of Matthew 6:24
Luke 16:9-13
And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations. He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man’s, who shall give you that which is your own? No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
2 Clement 6 (From Clement of Rome 70 AD)
Now the Lord declares, “No servant can serve two masters.” If we desire, then, to serve both God and mammon, it will be unprofitable for us. “For what will it profit if a man gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” This world and the next are two enemies. The one urges to adultery and corruption, avarice and deceit; the other bids farewell to these things. We cannot, therefore, be the friends of both; and it behoves us, by renouncing the one, to make sure of the other. Let us reckon that it is better to hate the things present, since they are trifling, and transient, and corruptible; and to love those [which are to come,] as being good and incorruptible. For if we do the will of Christ, we shall find rest; otherwise, nothing shall deliver us from eternal punishment, if we disobey His commandments. (Roberts-Donaldson)
In Aramaic, it could be (ממון).
In the New Testament the word Μαμωνᾶς — Mamōnâs — is declined like a Greek word, whereas many of the other Aramaic words are treated as indeclinable foreign words.
Rabboni (Ραββουνει)
John 20:16
Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. (KJV)
Also in Mark 10:51. Hebrew form rabbi used as title of Jesus in Matthew 26:25,49; Mark 9:5, 11:21, 14:45; John 1:49, 4:31, 6:25, 9:2, 11:8.
In Aramaic, it could be (רבוני).
Maranatha (μαρανα θα)
Didache 10 (Prayer after Communion)
1 Corinthians 16:22
In Aramaic (מרנא תא) it means Lord, come! or Our Lord, come!
[edit] Eli Eli lema sabachthani (Ηλει Ηλει λεμα σαβαχθανει)
Matthew 27:46
Around the ninth hour, Jesus shouted in a loud voice, saying “Eli Eli lema sabachthani?” which is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour, Jesus shouted in a loud voice, “Eloi Eloi lema sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, my God, for what have you forsaken me?”
Abba (Αββα)
Mark 14:36
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And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.In Aramaic, it could be (אבא).
Raca (Ρακα)
Matthew 5:22
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But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.In Aramaic, it could be (ריקא) or (ריקה).
Note: The phrase “without a cause” is missing from Matthew 5:22 in the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus.
Mammon (Μαμωνας)
Gospel of Matthew 6:24
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No one can serve two masters: for either they will hate the one, and love the other; or else they will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations. He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man’s, who shall give you that which is your own? No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
2 Clement 6 (From Clement of Rome 70 AD)
Now the Lord declares, “No servant can serve two masters.” If we desire, then, to serve both God and mammon, it will be unprofitable for us. “For what will it profit if a man gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” This world and the next are two enemies. The one urges to adultery and corruption, avarice and deceit; the other bids farewell to these things. We cannot, therefore, be the friends of both; and it behoves us, by renouncing the one, to make sure of the other. Let us reckon that it is better to hate the things present, since they are trifling, and transient, and corruptible; and to love those [which are to come,] as being good and incorruptible. For if we do the will of Christ, we shall find rest; otherwise, nothing shall deliver us from eternal punishment, if we disobey His commandments. (Roberts-Donaldson)
In Aramaic, it could be (ממון).
In the New Testament the word Μαμωνᾶς — Mamōnâs — is declined like a Greek word, whereas many of the other Aramaic words are treated as indeclinable foreign words.
Rabboni (Ραββουνει)
John 20:16
Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. (KJV)
Also in Mark 10:51. Hebrew form rabbi used as title of Jesus in Matthew 26:25,49; Mark 9:5, 11:21, 14:45; John 1:49, 4:31, 6:25, 9:2, 11:8.
In Aramaic, it could be (רבוני).
Maranatha (μαρανα θα)
Didache 10 (Prayer after Communion)
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.. Let grace come, and let this world pass away. Hosanna to the God (Son) of David! If any one is holy, let him come; if any one is not so, let him repent. Maranatha. Amen. (Roberts-Donaldson)
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If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.[edit] Eli Eli lema sabachthani (Ηλει Ηλει λεμα σαβαχθανει)
Matthew 27:46
Around the ninth hour, Jesus shouted in a loud voice, saying “Eli Eli lema sabachthani?” which is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour, Jesus shouted in a loud voice, “Eloi Eloi lema sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, my God, for what have you forsaken me?”
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That’s irrelevant; the earliest extant manuscripts are written in Greek.
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Then explain to me the Aramaic language contain the Greek manuscripts mention in the NT? Where did it come from?
They were written in Greek but they are copies not the original. The original were probably written in Greek but probably come from an Aramaic source… I base this in several passages that had Jesus and His Apostle mention Aramaic terms.
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It could be a lot of things; but, the earliest extant NT manuscripts that God, in His will and providence, has provided for us, are written in Greek.
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Indeed and earlier ECF understood the context of the Scripture more than we do since they were taught by the Apostles themselves. When the translation was made into Greek, there was no word for cousin in either Hebrew language or Aramaic. So the Gospel writers use the Greek brother or sister in the place of cousin. They use the word adelphoi (brother in Greek)
Consider these passage. The side are commentaries.
Luke 1:36 - Elizabeth is Mary’s kinswoman. Some Bibles translate kinswoman as “cousin,” but this is an improper translation because in Hebrew and Aramaic, there is no word for “cousin.”
Luke 22:32 - Jesus tells Peter to strengthen his “brethren.” In this case, we clearly see Jesus using “brethren” to refer to the other apostles, not his biological brothers.
Acts 1:12-15 - the gathering of Jesus’ “brothers” amounts to about 120. That is a lot of “brothers.” Brother means kinsmen in Hebrew.
Acts 7:26; 11:1; 13:15,38; 15:3,23,32; 28:17,21 - these are some of many other examples where “brethren” does not mean blood relations.
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source: scripturecatholic.com/blessed_virgin_mary.html#the_bvm-V
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You are grabbing at straws. There is far too much irrefutible evidence that Mary did not remain a virgin after Jesus was born. The Scriptures say,"Joseph and Mary didn’t have physical relations UNTIL after the borth of Jesus. Obviously they had a normal physical marriage and why wouldn’t they?? Sex in marriage is NOT a sin is it? Jesus also had brothers that Scripture names and sisters as well that Scripture does not name. Come on now, read the Bible for yourself like it says to do.
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You probably heard one commentary I made, especially the passage in Luke 2:41-45.
Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the Passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up according to custom; 43 and when the feast was ended, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents did not know it, 44 but supposing him to be in the company they went a day’s journey, and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintances; 45 and when they did not find him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking him.
In this passage there is no indication or mention of other brothers or sisters of Jesus. Jesus is twelve years old here and if Joseph and Mary did have other children, they would clearly be mentioned. They aren’t. We do find the word kinsfolk and acquaintances.
If the claim that Jesus did have blood brother or sisters, then why were they not mention in the Temple? We only read in the passage that only three individuals are here. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. A Jewish woman would not neglect a baby alone.
Another point I like to make in the John 19:25-27
25* So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26* When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
Jesus gave his mother to John. If he did have brother or sister, he would have given his mother to one of his brothers or sisters. If the claim that James is the Brother of the Lord, why didn’t Jesus gave James his mother?
In the Hebrew custom, when a son dies, his John 19:26-27 - it would have been unthinkable for Jesus to commit the care of his mother to a friend if he had brothers. The following verses prove that James and Joseph are Jesus’ cousins and not his brothers: Mary the wife of Clopas is the sister of the Virgin Mary.
Jesus did not have siblings. He had cousins.
Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the Passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up according to custom; 43 and when the feast was ended, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents did not know it, 44 but supposing him to be in the company they went a day’s journey, and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintances; 45 and when they did not find him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking him.
In this passage there is no indication or mention of other brothers or sisters of Jesus. Jesus is twelve years old here and if Joseph and Mary did have other children, they would clearly be mentioned. They aren’t. We do find the word kinsfolk and acquaintances.
If the claim that Jesus did have blood brother or sisters, then why were they not mention in the Temple? We only read in the passage that only three individuals are here. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. A Jewish woman would not neglect a baby alone.
Another point I like to make in the John 19:25-27
25* So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26* When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
Jesus gave his mother to John. If he did have brother or sister, he would have given his mother to one of his brothers or sisters. If the claim that James is the Brother of the Lord, why didn’t Jesus gave James his mother?
In the Hebrew custom, when a son dies, his John 19:26-27 - it would have been unthinkable for Jesus to commit the care of his mother to a friend if he had brothers. The following verses prove that James and Joseph are Jesus’ cousins and not his brothers: Mary the wife of Clopas is the sister of the Virgin Mary.
Jesus did not have siblings. He had cousins.
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Read your Bible Manny. Let the Holy Spirit come into your thinking. Know Jesus like he wants you to know him. Stop hiding behind the group that thinks they know everything from the Holy Spirit. Trust Jesus and see what can happen.
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sandusky
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Any explanation is speculation concerning that; the fact is, the earliest extant manuscripts available are written in Greek.
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As far as I know, the number of ECFs purported to have been taught by the apostles is very small.
The context of the passage is the determiner of the meaning of the word.
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I’ve heard all of those arguments, Manny; for me, the overriding consideration for you, is tradition, and dogmatic declarations concerning Mary.
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Not really. You are interpreting the passage in 20th Century context. Second, I like to make it clear that no where does the perpetual virginity of Mary degrade sex in marriage.
St. Jerome shows, by divers examples, that this expression of the Evangelist was a manner of speaking usual among the Hebrews, to denote by the word until, only what is done, without any regard to the future. Thus it is said, Genesis 8, 6 and 7, that Noe sent forth a raven, which went forth, and did not return till the waters were dried up on the earth. That is, did not return anymore. Also Isaias 46, 4, God says: I am till you grow old. Who dare infer that God should then cease to be?..God saith to his divine Son: Sit on my right till I make thy enemies thy footstool. Shall he sit no longer after his enemies are subdued?
I like to point out several things. This connects another doctrine concerning Mary as well as the Hebrew understanding of God. In the OT, the Jews revered the Ark of the Covenant. Anyone who touch the Ark died.
We both know that the Ark contain the Ten Commandments, the Word of God, Aaron’s Rod, and Manna from heaven.
Now let’s take at the nature of Jesus Christ. He is both True Man and True God. He is the Word made flesh. So when Mary said, “Be it Done unto Me according to Your Word.” She becoming a living Ark because she carried the Word of God, Jesus in her womb.
Joseph, who is a devout Jew received a vision that Mary is with Child and this child is the Son of the Most High. Would he defile the Holy of Holies? I don’t think. He revered God fully, and therefore did not have any sexual relationship because of the divine presence of the Lord within Mary’s womb.
Joseph serve as the protector of Jesus and Mary, and perform his duties as a foster father. Mary is a type of Ark. So you are probably shock about this? Don’t be.
Take a look in Revelation 11:19
19* Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.
Then read Revelation 12:1-6
And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2* she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery. 3* And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. 4* His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; 5* she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Who is this woman? She is Mary. How do we know. Well, the male child who is to rule all the nations and this child was caught up to God and his throne. Sounds like the ascension of the Lord. This child is none other than Jesus. Who is the Mother of Jesus? Mary. This passage in Revelation can be interpreted in symbolic and literal terms.
This is very clear to me that Mary remain a virgin because she is consecrated to the Lord Jesus Christ. Her virginity was preserve because of her Son.
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So did the argument for Arianism. Arianism became widspread after the Council of Nicea. The Church declare Mary remain a virgin. Not only does the Catholic Church acknowledges this, the Eastern Orthodox as well.I’ve heard all of those arguments, Manny; for me, the overriding consideration for you, is tradition, and dogmatic declarations concerning Mary.
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Manny, can I say a prayer for you and me right now on here. I feel really compelled to do that.
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