Dog ghosts or...?

[fred_conty]

We know that God created all animals including ourselves. However we are spirits as well as bodies and spirits cannot rust, rot, or corrupt, because they are not material and not made of material parts.

Animals are completely material including their life principle. So they can corrupt completely. But when they do, nothing is lost forever, since God contains all good, even the good of the deceased animals.

Heaven is a face to face vision of God seeing the all good, which contains all good found in creatures that ever were. In seeing God in this way, we see also our pets, whose good was first in God himself and will always be there. So it isn’t as tho their good is lost to us, but now is seen in God thru the glory of vision.

Just a thought.

 

[jenwha]

What I am saying is, NO ONE can say animals will not be in heaven with us. Only God knows. However, He obviously knows we love them and God loves them too.

This plan, which God will complete when the time is right, is to bring all creation together, everything in heaven and on earth, with Christ as head.”
Ephesians 1:10

“Wolves and sheep will live together in peace, and leopards will lie down with young goats, calves and lion cubs will feed together, and little children will take care of them. Cows and bears will eat together, and their calves and cubs will lie down in peace. Lions will eat straw as cattle do . . . The land will be as full of knowledge of the Lord as the seas are full of water.” Isaiah 11:6-9

“Search in the Lord’s book of living creatures and read what it says. Not one of these creatures will be missing and not one will be without its mate. The Lord has commanded it to be so; He Himself will bring them together. It is the Lord who will divide the land among them and give each of them a share. They will live in the land age after age, and it will belong to them for ever.” Isaiah 34:16, 17

ANIMALS AND GOD

God created all the animals (Psalm 104).

“Then God commanded, ‘Let the earth produce all kinds of animal life; domestic and wild, large and small, and it was done. So God made them all, and He was pleased with what He saw.”
Genesis 1:24, 25

All animals belong to God (Psalm 24:1).

“All the animals in the forest are Mine and the cattle on thousands of hills. All the wild birds are Mine and all living things in the fields.”
Psalm 50:10, 11

God cares for the animals (1 John 4:16).

“Look at the birds flying around . . . your Father in Heaven takes care of them”
Matthew 6:26
“He gives animals their food and feeds the young ravens when they call.” Psalm 147:9

Hosea 2:20 - I will make a covenant for them on that day, with the beasts of the field, with the birds of the air, and with the things that crawl on the ground. Bow and sword and war I will destroy from the land, and I will let them take their rest in security.

Job 12:7-10 - But now ask the beasts (cattle) to teach you, and the birds of the air to tell you; or the reptiles on the earth to instruct you, and the fish of the sea to inform you. Which of all these does not know that the hand of God has done this? In his hand is the soul of every living thing, and the life breath of all mankind.

Revelation 5:8-13 All creatures recognize Jesus as the Savior of the world and praise God right along with redeemed men.

Psalm 145:-9-10,13,15-21 God loves all His creation and has made plans for all His children and the lesser creatures to enjoy His eternal Kingdom.

Romans 8:19 says that the lesser creatures await Christ’s return to redeem the sons of God so they, too, will be released from physical death to eternal life.

Romans 8:21-22 says “Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now”

 

[Bl_Pope_Pius_IX]

I think she means the pets death…

I don’t know why you added the ellipsis, but thank you for clarifying.

I don’t want to be the bad grump who doesn’t want animals to be saved. I just don’t see why they would is all. I have a dog myself.

 

[Nabooru]

The “material soul” doctrine was propagated by Aquinas, a fallible human being, not God. It was not given in revelation, unless you consider Summa Theologica to be a part of the Bible. This still doesn’t change the fact that the Church has never put out a doctrine one way or the other.

 

[Angelsflight]

I don’t know why you added the ellipsis, but thank you for clarifying.

I don’t want to be the bad grump who doesn’t want animals to be saved. I just don’t see why they would is all. I have a dog myself.

I dont know why I do that either…its a habit of mine…the ellipsis i mean. lol. I never use it properly in any writing of mine.

 

[Angelsflight]

What I am saying is, NO ONE can say animals will not be in heaven with us. Only God knows. However, He obviously knows we love them and God loves them too.

This plan, which God will complete when the time is right, is to bring all creation together, everything in heaven and on earth, with Christ as head.”
Ephesians 1:10

“Wolves and sheep will live together in peace, and leopards will lie down with young goats, calves and lion cubs will feed together, and little children will take care of them. Cows and bears will eat together, and their calves and cubs will lie down in peace. Lions will eat straw as cattle do . . . The land will be as full of knowledge of the Lord as the seas are full of water.” Isaiah 11:6-9

“Search in the Lord’s book of living creatures and read what it says. Not one of these creatures will be missing and not one will be without its mate. The Lord has commanded it to be so; He Himself will bring them together. It is the Lord who will divide the land among them and give each of them a share. They will live in the land age after age, and it will belong to them for ever.” Isaiah 34:16, 17

ANIMALS AND GOD

God created all the animals (Psalm 104).

“Then God commanded, ‘Let the earth produce all kinds of animal life; domestic and wild, large and small, and it was done. So God made them all, and He was pleased with what He saw.”
Genesis 1:24, 25

All animals belong to God (Psalm 24:1).

“All the animals in the forest are Mine and the cattle on thousands of hills. All the wild birds are Mine and all living things in the fields.”
Psalm 50:10, 11

God cares for the animals (1 John 4:16).

“Look at the birds flying around . . . your Father in Heaven takes care of them”
Matthew 6:26
“He gives animals their food and feeds the young ravens when they call.” Psalm 147:9

Hosea 2:20 - I will make a covenant for them on that day, with the beasts of the field, with the birds of the air, and with the things that crawl on the ground. Bow and sword and war I will destroy from the land, and I will let them take their rest in security.

Job 12:7-10 - But now ask the beasts (cattle) to teach you, and the birds of the air to tell you; or the reptiles on the earth to instruct you, and the fish of the sea to inform you. Which of all these does not know that the hand of God has done this? In his hand is the soul of every living thing, and the life breath of all mankind.

Revelation 5:8-13 All creatures recognize Jesus as the Savior of the world and praise God right along with redeemed men.

Psalm 145:-9-10,13,15-21 God loves all His creation and has made plans for all His children and the lesser creatures to enjoy His eternal Kingdom.

Romans 8:19 says that the lesser creatures await Christ’s return to redeem the sons of God so they, too, will be released from physical death to eternal life.

Romans 8:21-22 says “Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now”

I agree, Jen. I think no one really knows if animals have a soul or not. I may be wrong. I guess we will find out when we get to the next life I suppose.

 

[aicirt]

I don’t know why you added the ellipsis, but thank you for clarifying.

I don’t want to be the bad grump who doesn’t want animals to be saved. I just don’t see why they would is all. I have a dog myself.

If we love our pets, so does God. He is All Love. I’ve been known to step around a bug or guide something to the window or door. I think God is like that. He created them and He loves them too. His heaven is Big, Big enough for all His creatures.

God has commanded us to take care of His creatures here. I believe He’ll take care of them there. And we will see them.

 

[Angelsflight]

If we love our pets, so does God. He is All Love. I’ve been known to step around a bug or guide something to the window or door. I think God is like that. He created them and He loves them too. His heaven is Big, Big enough for all His creatures.

God has commanded us to take care of His creatures here. I believe He’ll take care of them there. And we will see them.

Do you avoid killing bugs too? Me as well. Only cockroaches are hard not to swat. Eek!

 

[GEddie]

Animals definitely have a soul. “Anima” is Latin for soul.

Neither our LORD nor the Bible, nor the Church have ruled on the matter of an animal afterlife, therefore, it remains an open question. I’d leave it there.

If GOD can keep death from erasing your mind and reassemble you as an awesome spiritual body (pneumatikon soma), restoring Fido or Fluffy from HIS memory will be no big deal.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Bl_Pope_Pius_IX]

If we love our pets, so does God. He is All Love. I’ve been known to step around a bug or guide something to the window or door. I think God is like that. He created them and He loves them too. His heaven is Big, Big enough for all His creatures.

God has commanded us to take care of His creatures here. I believe He’ll take care of them there. And we will see them.

But why would God need to take care of them? They lack a moral sense. They cannot decide right from wrong. That is a large thing that separates human souls from that of animal souls. Animal souls cease to exist upon death. Our souls are rational while their souls aren’t they cannot go to Heaven. They lack the Beatific Vision. I would love to think that my dear sweet dog, Abbie, would go to Heaven, but I don’t see the sense in it.

 

[Bl_Pope_Pius_IX]

What I am saying is, NO ONE can say animals will not be in heaven with us. Only God knows. However, He obviously knows we love them and God loves them too.

This plan, which God will complete when the time is right, is to bring all creation together, everything in heaven and on earth, with Christ as head.”
Ephesians 1:10

“Wolves and sheep will live together in peace, and leopards will lie down with young goats, calves and lion cubs will feed together, and little children will take care of them. Cows and bears will eat together, and their calves and cubs will lie down in peace. Lions will eat straw as cattle do . . . The land will be as full of knowledge of the Lord as the seas are full of water.” Isaiah 11:6-9

“Search in the Lord’s book of living creatures and read what it says. Not one of these creatures will be missing and not one will be without its mate. The Lord has commanded it to be so; He Himself will bring them together. It is the Lord who will divide the land among them and give each of them a share. They will live in the land age after age, and it will belong to them for ever.” Isaiah 34:16, 17

ANIMALS AND GOD

God created all the animals (Psalm 104).

“Then God commanded, ‘Let the earth produce all kinds of animal life; domestic and wild, large and small, and it was done. So God made them all, and He was pleased with what He saw.”
Genesis 1:24, 25

All animals belong to God (Psalm 24:1).

“All the animals in the forest are Mine and the cattle on thousands of hills. All the wild birds are Mine and all living things in the fields.”
Psalm 50:10, 11

God cares for the animals (1 John 4:16).

“Look at the birds flying around . . . your Father in Heaven takes care of them”
Matthew 6:26
“He gives animals their food and feeds the young ravens when they call.” Psalm 147:9

Hosea 2:20 - I will make a covenant for them on that day, with the beasts of the field, with the birds of the air, and with the things that crawl on the ground. Bow and sword and war I will destroy from the land, and I will let them take their rest in security.

Job 12:7-10 - But now ask the beasts (cattle) to teach you, and the birds of the air to tell you; or the reptiles on the earth to instruct you, and the fish of the sea to inform you. Which of all these does not know that the hand of God has done this? In his hand is the soul of every living thing, and the life breath of all mankind.

Revelation 5:8-13 All creatures recognize Jesus as the Savior of the world and praise God right along with redeemed men.

Psalm 145:-9-10,13,15-21 God loves all His creation and has made plans for all His children and the lesser creatures to enjoy His eternal Kingdom.

Romans 8:19 says that the lesser creatures await Christ’s return to redeem the sons of God so they, too, will be released from physical death to eternal life.

Romans 8:21-22 says “Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now”

A lot of these quotes don’t really mention Heaven or salvation. They talk about Animal’s relation to Humanity but they can be interpreted any which way. For instance, that Romans 8:19 quote says: “For the expectation of the creature waiteth for the revelation of the sons of God.” This doesn’t say Heaven or salvation or even Eternal Life. They will be released from their bonds on Earth.

 

[RedDuke50]

Of course God can, if He Wills it, recreate the dead animals. But if we are in Heaven, we do not need anything else to be happy but God. He supplies us with happiness for all of eternity, it is not like He can’t give us enough. I once read (on this site I believe) that how can you be happy if a family member went to Hell. They said that God will make up for it. It is just Him that we need. And, as Bl Pope Pius said, they will not enjoy the Beatific Vision

Every living thing has a soul. But humans have a soul that is a spirit and vice versa. We are the only ones. Angels are pure spirit and God is a Pure Spirit. God gave us our spirit when He breathed upon Adam and Eve (I think). God gave everything life, but He made us in His Image by giving us a spirit because He is a Spirit.

 

[jsaldar]

Have the house blessed. The weird shoving hand seems suspicious. There can be some entity taking the shape and sound of a dog or cat. Pray a lot.

 

[Dorothy]

I don’t understand how dogs or any animal could go to Heaven. After all, they don’t witness the Beatific Vision.

I’m just speculating when I say that, if there are animals in heaven then they do not have the Beatific vision, but a natural happiness.

 

[Bl_Pope_Pius_IX]

I’m just speculating when I say that, if there are animals in heaven then they do not have the Beatific vision, but a natural happiness.

I suppose, but I still don’t understand the sense in it. Their souls lack rational thought. Thus why would Heaven be granted unto those who not only lack thought but lack moral reason?

 

[Dorothy]

I suppose, but I still don’t understand the sense in it. Their souls lack rational thought. Thus why would Heaven be granted unto those who not only lack thought but lack moral reason?

What you said sounds right.

I do think it is better to say that pets are God’s gifts to us, and they do not have a yearning for heaven like we do.
I believe that the pleasure the pets gave us was a gift from our loving God.

So, a person who has a great desire to be with their pet again, is really desiring God’s love.

(I am an amateur theologian)

 

[Bl_Pope_Pius_IX]

What you said sounds right.

I do think it is better to say that pets are God’s gifts to us, and they do not have a yearning for heaven like we do.
I believe that the pleasure the pets gave us was a gift from our loving God.

So, a person who has a great desire to be with their pet again, is really desiring God’s love.

(I am an amateur theologian)

Of course, but this cold and somewhat disheartening thought urges us to love our pets while they live. Cherish their company and understand their role as our inferiors. I love my dog and I love spending time with her, but after she’s gone, and after I’m gone I will focus on Christ, on God, the Angels and the Saints. For all eternity. The love and admiration a dog shows for us is indeed an expression of God’s love for us. They were made for our benefit. So yes, the love of a pet is a yearning for the love of God in Heaven.

As for you being an amateur theologian, aren’t we all!

 

[GEddie]

I still say that claiming that a rational mind is a prerequisite for life eternal, sounds like a self-serving statement by beings possessing rational minds

ICXC NIKA

 

[Bl_Pope_Pius_IX]

I still say that claiming that a rational mind is a prerequisite for life eternal, sounds like a self-serving statement by beings possessing rational minds

ICXC NIKA

In order for it to be said as self serving, it would first need to be intended to be self serving. I can assure you, I have no such intent when I say that a rational mind (albeit one that possesses moral reason) is needed for Heaven and to see the Beatific Vision.

 

[LoyalViews]

When you say “God might allow us to see our deceased pets/animals after death for comfort” do you mean our death or their death? Because we wont need to have comfort from pets after our death. Just clarifying.

After the pet’s death

I think she means the pets death…

You think *he means

I don’t know why you added the ellipsis, but thank you for clarifying.

I don’t want to be the bad grump who doesn’t want animals to be saved. I just don’t see why they would is all. I have a dog myself.

You’re not a bad grump, I have three dogs and I love them to death, but I know they can’t go to heaven. They have mortal/material souls. They are not like humans. That is the Church’s teaching!