Dogma of the Earth as center of the universe

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mackbrislawn said:
It’s a matter of probabillity…what do you think? Why should they be more liberal in this matter that the Church? …I said the Protestant Reformers of that time, not the Reformers of Luther and Calvin’s day.
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Certainly by 1630 Protestants were not burning scientists, and I don’t know that there is any evidence that Protestants ever burned people at the stake for their scientific views. For that matter, neither did the Catholics.👍

In England, it was generally Catholics who burned people at the stake (during the reign of Bloody Mary); Protestants preferred disembowelment or drawing-and-quartering as a penalty.:eek:
 
StAnastasia said:
Certainly by 1630 Protestants were not burning scientists, and I don’t know that there is any evidence that Protestants ever burned people at the stake for their scientific views. For that matter, neither did the Catholics.👍

In England, it was generally Catholics who burned people at the stake (during the reign of Bloody Mary); Protestants preferred disembowelment or drawing-and-quartering as a penalty.:eek:
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Of course, scientific views impinge upon religious views, so it is not really the scienfific view itself that is objectionable, but how it affects a religious viewpoint.

That’s right, which is more of a spectacle, burning at the stake, or drawing and quartering?
 
StAnastasia said:
Why should the Church – an ecclesiastical body – have been in a position to censor science in the first place? Had Galileo published in a Protestant country at first – where the Inquisition did not operate – he would not have run afoul of the machinery of the Counter-Reformation. There is some discussion of this in a new book I found, Catholicism and Science (2008).

StAnastasia

PS – The spelling is “Galileo,” not “Galieo.”
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Because of Psalm 96.10:​

  • Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
    Galileo wrote the attached file in regard to the Biblical issue - the translation is from 1661, but it seems clear enough
 
Here’s from Yahoo! News just now. Wonder what you guys make of this?

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict told a gathering of scientists including the British cosmologist Stephen Hawking on Friday that there was no contradiction between believing in God and empirical science.

Benedict, who briefly met the wheelchair-bound physicist at an event hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, described science as the pursuit of knowledge about God’s creation.

“There is no opposition between faith’s understanding of creation and the evidence of the empirical sciences,” the pontiff said.

“Galileo saw nature as a book whose author is God.”

The Catholic Church found the 17th-century astronomer Galileo guilty of heresy for insisting the earth revolved around the sun. It did not rehabilitate him until 1992.

Hawking is a guest at the week-long event, which will explore the theme: “Scientific Insights into the Evolution of the Universe and of Life.”

In an interview with Reuters last year, Hawking said he was “not religious in the normal sense.”

“I believe the universe is governed by the laws of science,” he said. “The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws.”

The Catholic Church teaches “theistic evolution,” which accepts evolution as scientific theory. Proponents see no reason why God could not have used an evolutionary process in forming the human species.

The Pontiff admired the technology that allows Hawking to speak through a voice synthesizer. Hawking is crippled by a muscle disease and has lost the use of his natural voice.

Hawking, author of the best-selling “A Brief History of Time,” will speak about the origin of the universe at the closed-door event.

(Writing by Phil Stewart; Editing by Catherine Bosley)
 
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Here’s from Yahoo! News just now. Wonder what you guys make of this?

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict told a gathering of scientists including the British cosmologist Stephen Hawking on Friday that there was no contradiction between believing in God and empirical science.

Benedict, who briefly met the wheelchair-bound physicist at an event hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, described science as the pursuit of knowledge about God’s creation.

“There is no opposition between faith’s understanding of creation and the evidence of the empirical sciences,” the pontiff said.

“Galileo saw nature as a book whose author is God.”

The Catholic Church found the 17th-century astronomer Galileo guilty of heresy for insisting the earth revolved around the sun. It did not rehabilitate him until 1992.

Hawking is a guest at the week-long event, which will explore the theme: “Scientific Insights into the Evolution of the Universe and of Life.”

In an interview with Reuters last year, Hawking said he was “not religious in the normal sense.”

“I believe the universe is governed by the laws of science,” he said. “The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws.”

The Catholic Church teaches “theistic evolution,” which accepts evolution as scientific theory. Proponents see no reason why God could not have used an evolutionary process in forming the human species.

The Pontiff admired the technology that allows Hawking to speak through a voice synthesizer. Hawking is crippled by a muscle disease and has lost the use of his natural voice.

Hawking, author of the best-selling “A Brief History of Time,” will speak about the origin of the universe at the closed-door event.

(Writing by Phil Stewart; Editing by Catherine Bosley)
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Quantum physics is showing the world is not deterministic as science put forth. It is more porous than thought, allowing God to continually act in His creation without overturning physical laws.
 
Greetings to all in this Catholic forum. I have a special interest in this subject. I fancy myself as a bit of an expert. I am currently doing some research as to how open Catholics today are to the facts of history. I have read many of the contributions and replies on this thread and would not know where to begin amidst so much confusion, ignorance, myth, some truth, denial and propaganda. in the matter of faith and science this thread is the fastest way to test one’s Catholic faith.
So, let us begin this thread again by opening the ‘dogma’ of geocentricism to questions. Yes, ask any question on this subject and it/they will do as a starter to a proper debate on this vast subject.
God bless you all.
 
climb into an active volcano and head down into the fires that lie beneath the earth and you will find your proof.
 
cassini said:
climb into an active volcano and head down into the fires that lie beneath the earth and you will find your proof.
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But demons and the damned could not survive in a volcano – they would be vaporized instantly.
 
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