Dogs vs. Babies

[CarolAnnSFO]

How much money is to much? Three thousand, six thousand dollars. If a surgery at the vet delays the enivable death of a pet by 18 months and costs two thousand dollars, was that waistful?

What about the suffering of the pet. Is that ever taken into account? Some people seem to value the love they feel for the pet and opt for surgery over the responsibility they have to make reasonable decisions that are for the good of the pet. Needlessly causing the pet to suffer through surgeries is also abuse. Where is the line?

Would you be willing to pay more for certain favorite pets versus other pets?

In any of these decisions, one has to weigh several factors – what is affordable, whether the pet will actually have a good quality of life, as opposed to just being kept alive, and so on. I wouldn’t subject an 18 year-old cat to one surgery after another just to allow him to live to 19. He wouldn’t understand why he was in pain all the time. I’ve heard it said that animals don’t fear death, but they do fear pain.

On the other hand, I provide medicine and special food for my 11 year-old male cat because of a chronic medical condition, and he is doing just fine. He’s back up to a normal weight, and normal behavior (his sister, who has no medical conditions, has to eat the same food, but she doesn’t mind). Is it worth the money? I think so. Especially when he looks at me with those big, almond-shaped green eyes and touches my face with his paw.

 

[stinkcat_14]

I’ve often wondered if it wouldn’t be useful for a good pro-life satirist to write a story or series of stories about animal abortions. Somehow, I think the above mentioned crowd would suddenly be appalled at the atrocity of manually ripping apart baby Fido’s and Fi Fi’s.

Many animal lovers do have a problem with aborting kittens and puppies, but I don’t think they have the same concern with human abortions. I remember taking a cat to get spayed and we later learned that she was within days of delivering kittens. They spayed her anyway and the anesthesia killed her kittens. The next day, the vet told us that she will be depressed for a few days, because she lost her kittens. I thought, if abortion can cause depression in cats (which it did, by the way) just think what it would do to a human!

 

[Nick]

I haven’t read through this entire thread so I don’t know if this has been adressed already, but does the Church teach that certain animals are to be treated in a humane manner while others are not? For example, most people would see it as a serious crime to brutally kill an innocent dog, but would not see it as a crime to brutally kill an innocent ant (deliberately stepping on one), so I am thinking that there must be some fundamental difference between the two species (dog and ant) that makes a dog’s life more valuable than an ant, even though they are both animals. Any thoughts?

 

[s4angel]

this last was a good post. I have wondered the same myself. I get sick of the cruelty to animals that I see. But to kill a child is on another plane of wrong all togather

 

[RhyannaRose]

I just wanted to add a little shout out to CarolAnnSFO: My cats would also not allow me to dress them up and much blood would be shed if I were ever to try. My blood.

The dogs, on the other hand, will let me do anything of the sort to them if it means getting extra attention and a goodie.

 

[johnlal]

. No doubt this practice is dispicable but is it more important than the millions upon millions of terminated pregnancies in the same United States? WHERE ARE OUR PRIORITIES FOLKS?

Are you suggesting that Michael Vick’s story has gotten more press, air time, and political attention than has the abortion issue? The Michael Vick story was pretty much a blip compared to the abortion debate. Our Presidents, political leaders, and Supreme Court Justices, are subjected to this litmus test before they are even chosen. So I disagree with your premise that Michael Vick and his dog fight is getting more media attention.

 

[BarbG]

I haven’t read all of the articles on this post but thought I’d pass on one of my favorite ideas – if they were doing to animals what they do to babies, i.e., partial birth abortion, the animal rights activists would be surrounding the White House screaming for justice for animals and the PRESS wiould be with them!!!

 

[PoliSciProf]

Yes, too much time is being spent on this but this is the slow news season and there is a big news hole to be filled. Still, this is animal abuse and should be investigated and prosecuted under the appropriate laws.

There is a interesting issue here that goes back to the Terri Schiavo case. Without rehashing the issues here, I note that Pennsylvania passed legislation making it a crime to deprive an animal of food or water negligently. This was brought about because of some well-publicized animal neglect/abuses cases.

Draw your own conclusions here.

 

[guamani]

The whole animal rights crowd really left a bad impression on me back in 99.

Now, I have always had dogs and still do. I am the type of owner that gives my dogs some of my time daily, take them with when I can and allow them to have a place in the family.

I had a german shepherd that was 7 when my first child was born. Raised him from a puppy. During my wifes pregnency he got weird. He would go after her tummy, started eating his poop and killing small animals in the yard.

And yes, he had 2 years of obdience training, was walked everyday on top of 10-30 minutes of fetch most nights. He was also taken with on many weekend hiking, camping & fishing outings. He had a lot of time and human contact.

When my new born came home, we where careful. Despite the new addition he was walked and not ignored.

The second day home I had my baby in one arm and started to crouch down so he could meet her. Well, he went after her and it was a lucky thing I was the one who attempted the intro, cuz he never had a chance with me vs the wife.

At that point he was gone, no second chances. When we tried to find a shelter, every one of the rescue places said they would not take a “throw away”. Despite the fact that he tried to attack my baby. They all judged us as if we where somehow bad people for not wanting this powerful animal around our baby that had tried to get her once and was showing strange signs of behavior.

The 2 vets I contacted(including our own) refused to put him sleep. All the pro animal folks could care less about the little human being in our home and all seemed more concerned with the friggin animal.

I called my older cousin who has a farm and we agreed to take care of the dog out there. I was gonna shoot the dog in the back of the head and bury him out there. Not my first choice, but the dog could not and would not stay in our home and we where getting zero help trying to preserve his life. This decision was arrived at after days of trying to find a rescue to no avail. I could not take a chance with my little girls saftey or even a minor attack that could scar her. She is a child, he was a dog.

I finally got in touch with my vet one last time and told him if he did’nt put the dog to sleep, what plan B was going to be. It was almost a week after he went after my baby that he was put to sleep. In that time he stayed in either one of 2 places, his crate indoors or out in the yard.

It still breaks my hart to think back to my gsd thunder, but I would do the same to either of my current dogs did the same. Don’t get me wrong, I am well aware that kids need to taught how to treat a dog and that there is a difference between an attack and a nip. My kids love and play with my border collies a lot and have been nipped, but its not the same as what my gsd tried to do. I know the difference. If you play fetch with my borders, your hand is gonna get tagged.

For a while I did’nt ever want dogs again. We also had a golden retriever at the time we put the gsd down. If it was’nt for that dog, I may not have stayed a dog person. That golden and my borders have restored my love & trust in dogs and I can relate to both sides. The fact of the matter is an animal should never be put above or equal to a human being. They are great companions, but are still animals.

Random aplause for you.

 

[guamani]

<<<Quote:
Originally Posted by RhyannaRose
My heart can bleed for unborn baby and abused puppy alike without conflict.

As if the are in the same realm?!

Abortion is a higher level of moral deprivaty for a human being. Christ’s Church views people involved in abortion as outside the Church. It views people who abuse animals as in need of repentance.

There is a difference. >>>

If a person can harm a dog, it’s only a matter of time before they start harming humans. Torturing animals is moral depravity as well, and I wish the justice system would realize the link between serial killers and animal abusers and give more fitting punishments. I would suggest a prision term of no less then five years as the minium, and not allow parole or probation to be options. God put us above the animals, but He also gave us certain animals like cats and dogs to be our companions, which means we obligated to treat them with compassion and kindness.

And yes, there’s a difference. But I was trying to say that we can focus on more then one cause. I can be stauncely pro-life and also volunteer for animal rescue, as I have done for eight years now. Does that make more sense?

I don’t post a lot here, but this is a sensitive issue to me.

It does not make too much sense to me, what you just wrote.

Catechism of the Catholic church 2418 states very clearly that:

It is inmoral to spend the life of animals in a useless way, however it is also inmoral to spend great amounts of money that can be used to alleviate human suffering defending animal causes.

Since we all know the position of Humane Society of the United States and PeTA, we as good catholics, should not give any money to their causes because they spend it in animal rights and not to alleviate human suffering. Those organizations only collect money because is a bussiness for them. The more money they get the more they can control the people of the United States, passing stupid laws to defend animals that obviusly have no rights.

It is a shame that Congress cannot put together a bill for outlawing abortion, but they put more interest in dogfights or cockfghts. Money talks ahh!!

Cathechism also says 2418 that is inmoral to deviate the affection that is due to Human beings towards animals.

So we have to make our minds and let Mr. Vick live his life. He raises pitbulls. You don’t have to force a pitbull to fight, that is what they are bred for. I do not promote dogfighting, it is brutal. For me dogs are supposed to be pets, but I cannot give way to the animal lovers, I’m CATHOLIC. I will not give way to antichristian movements, over my “dead body”.

Why they did not make a fuss over the Kobe Bryant case. Because our society is being brain washed towards loving animals. This animal lover societies do not profess animal love, they promote human hate and that is a very antichristian movement.

About all those studies that state that being cruel to animals leads to human cruelty and violence, notice one thing, they all have being made among criminals. Now you mention one criminal that have not kick a dog. If he hurts people, of course he is going to hurt a dog, those are absurd studies made or financed by the same entities that defend animals. They are only assuming things. PeTA is cruel to animals, they kill two thirds of the animals they get their hands on.

We must defend and promote human love and families, when there no more human suffering then we can take care of animals.

On the meantime we used them for experiments, food, leisusre and every other moral way listed on the catechism.

God Bless you all!! and Read the Book it does not get any easier.

 

[RhyannaRose]

<<< Cathechism also says 2418 that is inmoral to deviate the affection that is due to Human beings towards animals.

So we have to make our minds and let Mr. Vick live his life. He raises pitbulls. You don’t have to force a pitbull to fight, that is what they are bred for. I do not promote dogfighting, it is brutal. For me dogs are supposed to be pets, but I cannot give way to the animal lovers, I’m CATHOLIC. I will not give way to antichristian movements, over my “dead body”.

Why they did not make a fuss over the Kobe Bryant case. Because our society is being brain washed towards loving animals. This animal lover societies do not profess animal love, they promote human hate and that is a very antichristian movement. >>>

Moments like this really used to challenge my Faith. I feel sick right now after reading this, but I’m solid enough in my Faith now that I won’t turn my back on it because of an issue like this.

Loving animals is anti-Christian? I don’t get that. God created EVERYTHING, so it makes sense to me that Christians would want to treat animals with humanity and respect, and also that we would want to protect this beautiful planet He has given us for a home.

I feel no guilt that I have given money for animal charities, because if you’ve seen some of the things I have you will realize that people who are anti-animal have lost touch with being human. I don’t give excessively, just a few dollars here and there, mostly through the jars at the pet stores. I can honestly say I do spend much more each year on charities like Toys for Tots and the Salvation Army.

But I’m getting off track. The question is…why did God give us dogs and cats if they were not to be our beloved companions? Obviously human life is ALWAYS more valuable then animal life, but that doesn’t give us liscense to hate animals.

Let me close with one of my favorite animal sentiments. I don’t know where it came from, but I think it’s a good thing for all people to remember:

All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful,
THE LORD GOD MADE THEM ALL.

Now, if you all would like to help me understand this issue, I’m open to it and willing to discuss this without getting all shrieky about it.

 

[RhyannaRose]

I’d also like to add, that dogs and cats provide a vital service in giving love and happiness to lonely people. I honestly think God put them on earth for this very purpose. Should humans turn to God in their sorrow? Of course! Each and every time! But I know from personal experince that sometimes angels wear fur.

And yes, there are people that go overboard with everything, including the love and support of animals. But can you honestly say it’s wrong to love animals with it kept in mind that human needs do have to come first?

 

[guamani]

I’d also like to add, that dogs and cats provide a vital service in giving love and happiness to lonely people. I honestly think God put them on earth for this very purpose. Should humans turn to God in their sorrow? Of course! Each and every time! But I know from personal experince that sometimes angels wear fur.

And yes, there are people that go overboard with everything, including the love and support of animals. But can you honestly say it’s wrong to love animals with it kept in mind that human needs do have to come first?

It is not wrong to love animals always understanding that humans come first, and second, and third, then animals. This is not difficult to explain but it is going to take some writing, so please, bear with me.

The money that you put on the tin cans, some of it, eventually gets to the humane society of the united states or PeTA. Both of these groups are human haters. Tax exempt organizations that roll in millions and use them to Lobby at congress to pass “People controlling unnecessary laws”. None of that money is used to save animals. It is used to take away your rights and mine.

The president of the HSUS once said that “If animals rights is going to win, we must destroy the judeo christian tradition” He was quoting words of Peter Singer, the utalitarian filosofer.

Ingrid Newkirk president of PeTA said that she does not value human life, she “rather see a blank space where she is”

She also said that “we don’t have any right to exist”.
She says that she “rather have experiments done on our chidren than on the rats” etc.etc…

Their goal is “total animal liberation”

They bombarded children at schools with gruesome pictures of mommy’s killing animals so they turn vegetarians etc.

Are you asking for anything more antichristian than that?

Here is what scripture has to say about that:

Genesis 1, 26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.” 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.”

Acts 11, 7 says “7 And I heard a voice saying to me, 'Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

It is your job and your God given duty to be a steward of your pets and all of the animals that belong to you. If you are cruel to them you must face the Lord afterwards.

It is not the government’s job to control how you take care of your pets. That is all of your own business.

Calling a Pet “companion animal” is enough deviation of affection due to humans towards an animal. That is a very deviant attitude and I have seen it at it’s worst in California, where I lived for three years.

Humans are the ones to be called “companions” not animals. Even if the animal is the only companion of some people. It is our fault as a society to have so much lonely people, because we should be occupying that spot being companion to a lonely person.

Have you seen the stray dogs following a drunk, a bum. It is not because the dog takes care of him or love him, it is beacuse the dogs gets the crumps of what ever the bum eats. And if he falls asleep, the dog will stick his nose in the pouch looking for more. The dog will take advantage of the sleeping bum to steal his food.

That is how good a “companion animal” is, when it comes to survival, the dog eats first.

Saying that animals are equal to humans is equal to downgrading humans.

You cannot give rigths to animals, because they have no reasoning to assume their responsabilities or duties.

You cannot give rights to animals based on their feelings, because we don’t have rights because we feel, we have rights because we can reason.

If they succeed in equaling animals to humans, then they will succeed, in saying that euthanasia and abortion are right for humans also. If you give them an inch now, you will have to give everything later because they never have enough.

As a matter of fact, those who defend animals on the media, also defend abortion.

So you decide in what side you want to be. You can love your animals like I love my beautifull Cocker Spaniel, and she is gorgeous, and she is mine, is my property, is my pet; or you can defend an antichristian movement, it is your call.

You can always disagree with me, but take a look at what I just wrote. It can save our country’s freedom and it can save the Church from more tribulation.

May God bless you, your family and your pets.

 

[jc-servant]

Are dogs or animals in general now more important than people? I guess it is if you were to view these TV shows. It goes to show how progressively secular we have gotten in this country. And we have the gall to ask God to bless it.

To some people they are. I had a rousing debate with a coworker over Terry Schiavo. She was all for kiling her by starvation and thirst (even though we work with enough medical info that she should know what that means in suffering). She could not understand why it was wrong or even see that the “husband” might have had an agenda with his mistress and their children. However, only two weeks later she was flipping out over the suggestion by the vet that a cat be put down.

I asked this woman bluntly if she valued the life of a cat more than the life of a human given the fact that she was now making all of the arguments for the cat that she poo pooed for Terry. She admitted to caring more about the cat. It was incredibly shocking to hear a person actually state this out loud.

 

[guamani]

To some people they are. I had a rousing debate with a coworker over Terry Schiavo. She was all for kiling her by starvation and thirst (even though we work with enough medical info that she should know what that means in suffering). She could not understand why it was wrong or even see that the “husband” might have had an agenda with his mistress and their children. However, only two weeks later she was flipping out over the suggestion by the vet that a cat be put down.

I asked this woman bluntly if she valued the life of a cat more than the life of a human given the fact that she was now making all of the arguments for the cat that she poo pooed for Terry. She admitted to caring more about the cat. It was incredibly shocking to hear a person actually state this out loud.

And that is the real hidden agenda of the animal rights movements. It is to have people prefering animals to people. It is to create hate among humans and reduced the mankind’s dignity; reducing us to the same value level as an animal so they can have control over the population and lead them astray into false beliefs and tribulation.

Ok it sounds apocaliptic but, be very careful because there is no such thing as The rapture, all true christians are going to suffer the same tribulation, before Jesus comes again and destroys the antichrist.

 

[RobHom]

Actually, all of the media hype over the dog-fighting, which has been going on for literally generations…is little more than “deflective story telling”…to keep the polpulace’s attention span deflected from the real issues. Dog fighting, like cock fighting, or men beating the pulp out of each other for money…is old hat, not new news. It just seems that way. Remember Anna Nicole Smith? WHO? Huh, who? Yep, 98% of the American population had no clue who she was, until she overdosed and died…then she went from being a nude magazine model to an “entertainer”… but she and her death and all the gossip around it all captured the front page and the 6 O’clock news nightly for several weeks…or was it months? All this to keep Americans, who with their extremely short attention spans are easily distracted, often by small shiny objects, from being concerned with the important things…like maybe how many young men and women are being killed every day in Iraq and Afghanistan…

The trick is this: Pay attention to the world, what is going on, and see if you can figure out what news is really important, and why.

I’m a native born American, and a Veteran to boot…but small shiny objects don’t interest me…

 

[RhyannaRose]

I think the middle of the road animal lovers are getting lumped in with the PETA freaks. OBVIOUSLY animals do not have the same right or the same value as humans. Anyone who thinks that really needs to get their priorites straight. BUT that does not mean we shouldn’t treat animals humanely and it doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy the happiness pets bring into our lives.

I do agree that PETA and similair movements are anti-human. I do agree with them on a few, rare cases such as being anti-fur and thinking Michael Vick should get kicked out of the NFL. Elsewise, I think that they are crazy and don’t have anyone’s - human or animal - best interest in mind. They are slaves to their own dogma and I think most of them need to eat a cheeseburger, pet a dog, and find something else to be outraged about. After all, God intended us to interact with animals, He didn’t intend for them to wander around to “fulfill their own destines”, as the PETA people like to say.

I believe we have a responsibility to treat animals humanely and kindly, because God made us the stewarts of the earth. And I also believe that we can welcome domesticated animals into our families without devaluing humans. I adore my four dogs and four cats (all rescues, btw), but my first priorites are to the human members of my family. Pets add alot of enjoyment to life and it’s medically proven that people who have pets live longer. It’s beneficial relationship for us both, and I think it’s one that we can enjoy without becoming PETA kool aid drinkers.

And animals must have a place in the human heart…look at St. Franics of Assisi!

 

[guamani]

I think the middle of the road animal lovers are getting lumped in with the PETA freaks. OBVIOUSLY animals do not have the same right or the same value as humans. Anyone who thinks that really needs to get their priorites straight. BUT that does not mean we shouldn’t treat animals humanely and it doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy the happiness pets bring into our lives.

I do agree that PETA and similair movements are anti-human. I do agree with them on a few, rare cases such as being anti-fur and thinking Michael Vick should get kicked out of the NFL. Elsewise, I think that they are crazy and don’t have anyone’s - human or animal - best interest in mind. They are slaves to their own dogma and I think most of them need to eat a cheeseburger, pet a dog, and find something else to be outraged about. After all, God intended us to interact with animals, He didn’t intend for them to wander around to “fulfill their own destines”, as the PETA people like to say.

I believe we have a responsibility to treat animals humanely and kindly, because God made us the stewarts of the earth. And I also believe that we can welcome domesticated animals into our families without devaluing humans. I adore my four dogs and four cats (all rescues, btw), but my first priorites are to the human members of my family. Pets add alot of enjoyment to life and it’s medically proven that people who have pets live longer. It’s beneficial relationship for us both, and I think it’s one that we can enjoy without becoming PETA kool aid drinkers.

And animals must have a place in the human heart…look at St. Franics of Assisi!

I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree with kicking Mr. Vick out of the NFL. and wearing fur.

Are you going to put somebody out of work for fighting a dog? or
Are putting him away for violating a stupid law? Gambling is already prohibited; so why making laws agaisnt dogfighting.?

I would put him away for violating a law, stupid or not is the law.

But, asking the NFL to kick him out for dogfighting is ridiculous.
Like I said before, he raised pitbulls, you don’t need to force a pitbull to fight. These dogs look at each other and naturally hate each other. It is a lie from the media to say that they are forcing the dogs to fight until one dies.

The fur issue is just like this, John the baptist wore Camel skin while living in the dessert. We all know that for him to wear that fur, a camel had to die. So it is not a sin to wear fur if you need it.

However is a sin to turn law abiding people into felons overnight, approving laws that only serve the private and personal taste of special interest groups.

Are our congressmen catering to special interest groups, or are they serving their coiuntry.

If they are not doing their duty, we must do ours, voting them out. We must vote as Catholics.

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[RhyannaRose]

Guami,

I agree that if you NEED fur, it’s perfectly fine to wear it. My protest is to clubbing a baby harp seal so one can be “fashionable.” Fur is great for indengious people, but I do have a problem with people killing an animal just to look pretty when synthetic fur can look every bit as beautiful and realistic when made well.

As for Pit Bulls, I also agree with you. I’m a proffesional but not practicing dog groomer (insurance costs) so I’ve done alot of reading about breeds and do behavior. In my opinion, Pit Bulls are ticking time bombs and it seems they most often fall into the hands of someone who gets a known aggressive dog because they like the “tough image”. I love dogs, but if there was a proposal to put down every Pit Bull in the nation, I would stand behind that decision. There are so many wonderful dog breeds out there that people can choose a pet that fits their needs and lifestyle without exposing children, adults and even other dogs to unnecessary danger.

I do, however, still feel Vick should be kicked out of the NFL. What kind of example is he to children when he’s breaking laws and torturing animals? I don’t feel someone should be exhalted when they are setting a poor example, especially knowing how young boys look up to athletes.

And yes, we do need a law against dog fighting on the books, because it seems there are way too many people doing it lately. Around here there was recently a sting where they recovered sixty-some kittens that had been used as bait for training dogs to fight. Even the most hardened person when it comes to animals would have a problem, I believe, with a tiny little kitten being ripped to pieces to help cultivate dogs for this blood sport.

Basically I think anti-cruelty laws and anti-dog fightning laws are for the good of society as a whole. Let’s not forget that almost every serial killer started out earlier in life with harming animals. And again, we should treat God’s creatures with respect.

 

[guamani]

I do, however, still feel Vick should be kicked out of the NFL. What kind of example is he to children when he’s breaking laws and torturing animals? I don’t feel someone should be exhalted when they are setting a poor example, especially knowing how young boys look up to athletes.

Basically I think anti-cruelty laws and anti-dog fightning laws are for the good of society as a whole. Let’s not forget that almost every serial killer started out earlier in life with harming animals. And again, we should treat God’s creatures with respect.

Seals are not clubbed to be fashionable, they are clubbed for people to make a living, they cannot be skinned alive, you know that don’t you?.

I do not agree with sending pit bulls as a breed to extinction only because they are dangerous. That would be worst than fighting them. Fighting they have a fifty fifty chance of survival. What chance of survival would they have passing a law to eutanize all pitbulls in the country, that is the same as genocide would be for humans. I don’t like Muslims fanatics (for all the obvious reasons), but I cannot agree on exterminating them because they are violent that would be genocide. Pitbulls are just not for kids.
On the other hand, they are extremely beautifull animals. And they are also part of God’s Creation. Sending them to extinction on purpose will be like rejecting God’s creation.

In my personal opinion, I would let the people breed them without fighting them. However It should not be prohibited to fight them. That is something that should be completely up to the owner. After all, the dog is his property. Is the person to be consider a bastard for doing that? Yes he sure should be consider a bastard for doing that but, I’m nobody to force my preferences on the whole country.

Mr. Vick should be kicked out of the NFL just like Kobe Bryant should be kicked out of the NBA, for violating the laws of this country, but not for a stupid dogfight. That is what the mass media is paying attention to, and not to the violation to the law.

The attention should be placed on the violation of the laws of this country and violation of human rights, not animal rigths, Animals do not have rights.
You can’t pass anti-cruelty laws without violating the Human Rights of the animal owners is not possible.
These are mind controlling laws, eventually they will attack the meat industry, and is already happening, and they will take it down. You can’t slaugter animals humanely, it is just plain ugly, there is not such a thing, it does not exist. The extremists are just making a compromise for now, agreeing on how to humanely kill animals for food, making the costs of such a thing impossible to sustain.

Picture this scenario; After every meat factory closes down, and since that is going to be the law for killing a chicken, you will not be able to raise your own and kill your own because you are not following the law at the time of killing them. You will not have and will not be able to afford the cost of the equipment to comply with the law. You will have to eat tofu and veggies the rest of your life. And most likely the extremists will control the market of those items. Nice ending ahh!

Now, what are you going to do the day when you have to hide in the basement to eat a steak, after going downtown to the worst neighborhood, to purchase one of the worst quality in the blackmarket?
When all the human afflictions are taken care of, then and only then, I may care for anti animal cruelty laws.
Now we should take care of our brothers in Christ.

I will not swallow the argument of the serial killer. How can you ask a serial killer if he was cruel to animals, of course he has been. **If he does not respect human life, much less is going to respect the life of an animal.**That is just plain simple, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that one out…
That is just a mind controlling study, made among criminals, by the same Animal Rights Fanatics, get your facts on Human (Meaning People) Studies straight. The public is just too “brain washed” by the animaniacs.

That is only an indication of violent behavior, that in most cases can be corrected if attended on time by the parents, is not how people turn into serial killers. So you would put a kid in jail for kicking a puppy or throwing a cat in the air to see how he lands? Great solution to our violence problems. Give me a break!!!

Those freedom restraining and mind controlling laws are not going to fix our violence problems. They will not avoid anything.
Prevention is at home in the heart of the family, showing Christ’s way to our kids.

God bless you!