Domestic Violence The next big attack on the Church in Australia

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Catholics aren’t evangelical Christians, and unlike the sex abuse cases it’s not the priests who are committing the bad acts, so I’m not sure how this is a problem for the Church. I’ve never heard a Catholic priest or the Catholic Church endorsing domestic violence and I can tell you right now that none of the Irish Catholic women in my mother’s family would have put up with anything of the sort for a hot minute.

(My family never paid much attention to all the “submissive” stuff in the Bible either.)
 
I believe the authors have an agenda and a twisted view of churches. They never explained why infrequent church attenders were the ones with the abuse problem and equated denominations with male only clergy with headship theology. The authors are making this appear to be something that is coming from the Church itself.
 
I would like to see these abusive men give an accounting of how they lived their lives to God and how they used His name to abuse another one of His children.

I doubt He would take it well.

Also you can justify almost anything by cherry picking verses out of Scripture.

If there is one failing in the Church, it would not be the doctrine but the execution.

How do Church members handle or help victims of abuse? Too often, I have witnessed abused wives being told to submit even more and told to offer it up. The abuse is good for her since it will make her into a Saint.

I think this is a perversion and witnessing this has turned me off the Catholic Church during my younger years. I was convinced that God, if He existed must have hated women.
 
I agree that one doesn’t always get the best advice about domestic situations from a priest, but priests aren’t really trained to be specialists in domestic abuse or psychological counseling. Also, their goal is often to save a marriage if it can possibly be saved. Women in these situations are often not very forthcoming about exactly what is going on, for a variety of reasons, so the priest might not have the whole story.

It seems like the best plan would be to just refer these situations to someone with expertise like a trained counselor more equipped to deal with it.
 
MSSheBear said:
I believe the authors have an agenda and a twisted view of churches. They never explained why infrequent church attenders were the ones with the abuse problem and equated denominations with male only clergy with headship theology. The authors are making this appear to be something that is coming from the Church itself.
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Well as I have said before the ABC in Australia is biased. It is strongly secular and feminist so yes a lot of the reasons for the program would be to argue against a male only priesthood.

I listened to the ABC radio show with Fran Kelly discussing this and they also quoted the St. Paul’s line about "Wives submit yourselves to your husbands’ but made no metion to the subsequent words.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31*“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”** 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.**
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For a discussion on Christianity and domestic violence (always against women on the ABC) you would have thought that these words, following after the ones they quoted, would be relevant.
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Andrew Bolt blog with attached ABC radio program.
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Tis_Bearself said:
I agree that one doesn’t always get the best advice about domestic situations from a priest, but priests aren’t really trained to be specialists in domestic abuse or psychological counseling. Also, their goal is often to save a marriage if it can possibly be saved. Women in these situations are often not very forthcoming about exactly what is going on, for a variety of reasons, so the priest might not have the whole story.

It seems like the best plan would be to just refer these situations to someone with expertise like a trained counselor more equipped to deal with it.
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Not so sure. I would think that the priesthood would have centuries of history in dealing with such cases and a strong network of experts in the field to draw from amongst themselves.
 
abucs said:
Not so sure. I would think that the priesthood would have centuries of history in dealing with such cases and a strong network of experts in the field to draw from amongst themselves.
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I know there are some Catholic domestic violence shelters but I’d be interested to know how many women get referred there by clergy vs. other sources of referral (hospital personnel, victim support groups, law enforcement etc.)
 
abucs said:
Well as I have said before the ABC in Australia is biased. It is strongly secular and feminist so yes a lot of the reasons for the program would be to argue against a male only priesthood.

I listened to the ABC radio show with Fran Kelly discussing this and they also quoted the St. Paul’s line about "Wives submit yourselves to your husbands’ but made no metion to the subsequent words.

For a discussion on Christianity and domestic violence (always against women on the ABC) you would have thought that these words, following after the ones they quoted, would be relevant.

Andrew Bolt blog with attached ABC radio program.
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Facts and context for a public broadcaster shouldn’t be like oil and water but as decades of observation has shown, it is. And the funny thing is they *still *can’t figure out why people lack trust in the media. In many other workplaces, that kind of incompetence wouldn’t be tolerated. Of course, this isn’t about money, it’s about propaganda.

Instead of focusing on the flaws in helping those affected by domestic violence, they focus on the Bible because they seek to undermine it. At times, one must wonder if some of the people bashing Christianity even care about the victims. Why? When it came it child sex abuse, the media covered what happened with the Catholic Church but when a pattern of cover ups occurred in youth football/soccer clubs across the UK, the amount of coverage and outrage was substantially less. In the US, there’s Penn State.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
abc.net.au/news/2017-07-18/domestic-violence-church-submit-to-husbands/8652028

This is so sad and the next thing the Catholic Church in my country is going to be attacked for. And completely unfounded today.
Domestic violence awareness is huge here. A very current topic.
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The report referred to “the church” often, and to “Christian churches”, but Catholics, the Catholic Church and catholic ministers were not mentioned at all. Mention was made of Evangelical churches, Sydney Anglicans, Baptists and Pentecostals (from memory).

Of course, it may just be a matter of time…
 
^Yes, the Catholic Church was mentioned.

“This is particularly true in the Catholic Church, where divorce is forbidden, as will be explored in greater detail in an upcoming instalment of this series.”

The Catholic church and it’s all male priesthood is mentioned quite a few times and it looks like it is going to get special treatment.
Research shows that the men most likely to abuse their wives are evangelical Christians who attend church sporadically. Church leaders in Australia say they abhor abuse of any kind. But advocates say **the church **is not just failing to sufficiently address domestic violence, it is both enabling and concealing it.
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Makes no sense.

The men aren’t regularly attending Church. Yet the church is enabling and concealing domestic violence?

That’s like blaming McDonalds for someone been fat, even if they only eat there once every 6 months. Sure McDs could be healthier but they’re not the reason that person is fat.
 
Rau said:
The report referred to “the church” often, and to “Christian churches”, but Catholics, the Catholic Church and catholic ministers were not mentioned at all. Mention was made of Evangelical churches, Sydney Anglicans, Baptists and Pentecostals (from memory).

Of course, it may just be a matter of time…
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The Catholic Church will get special mention in this series.

“”"In a submission to the Royal Commission on Family Violence, one Victorian woman wrote that five different ministers had told her to remain with a violent husband.
A church counsellor told her: “Be gentle with him, he’s trying to be a man.”

This is particularly true in the Catholic Church, where divorce is forbidden, as will be explored in greater detail in an upcoming instalment of this series.

If pastors prevaricate, or fumble, it could be too late. New research finds women in the church usually only go to their pastors when partners do something so violent they fear they will die.

After 25-year-old Wubanchi Asefaw was told by her church leaders to return to her husband in early 2014, he stabbed her to death in their western Sydney home shortly afterwards."""""

Can’t wait for that. The series runs over a few episodes.

Yes there is a problem with DV. Yes one woman a week is murdered by a current or ex partner. But the few bad eggs are going to paint all the outbuildings rotten.
 
Rau said:
I was referring to the TV program, not the written piece referenced by Rose.
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They are the same source. About the same series. Did you see the episode that went to air this week

Scroll down the link until you see the video . Click on it for the episode
 
Roseeurekacross said:
“”"In a submission to the Royal Commission on Family Violence, one Victorian woman wrote that five different ministers had told her to remain with a violent husband.
A church counsellor told her: “Be gentle with him, he’s trying to be a man.”
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Incompetent advice, such as this appears to be, is dangerous.
…in the Catholic Church, where divorce is forbidden, as will be explored in greater detail in an upcoming instalment of this series.
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Of course, we know it is not forbidden.
New research finds women in the church usually only go to their pastors when partners do something so violent they fear they will die.
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One wonders what Church this refers to. 🤷

Let’s hope they get some pertinent facts right…
 
Roseeurekacross said:
They are the same source. About the same series. Did you see the episode that went to air this week

Scroll down the link until you see the video . Click on it for the episode
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I saw, and was referring to, an episode of the 7:30 report. Perhaps that was a cut down extract, but the Catholic Church was barely, if at all, mentioned.
 
CatholicSheila said:
^Yes, the Catholic Church was mentioned.

“This is particularly true in the Catholic Church, where divorce is forbidden, as will be explored in greater detail in an upcoming instalment of this series.”

The Catholic church and it’s all male priesthood is mentioned quite a few times and it looks like it is going to get special treatment.
Research shows that the men most likely to abuse their wives are evangelical Christians who attend church sporadically. Church leaders in Australia say they abhor abuse of any kind. But advocates say the church is not just failing to sufficiently address domestic violence, it is both enabling and concealing it.
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I don’t know what the full statistics are like in Australia but for the US, there’s a book titled Christians Are Hate-Filled Hypocrites…and Other Lies You’ve Been Told: A Sociologist Shatters Myths From the Secular and Christian Media and in Chapter 6 under ‘Domestic Abuse’, 3.5 - 5% of self-identified Christians and 6 - 8% of non-affiliated were involved in domestic abuse (hitting, shoving and throwing objects at the partner in the past year), which shows no major difference between the two groups. However, within the Christian group, those who attend worship weekly only 2% of men were involved 6% for those never attending. This is time the difference is important as it’s beyond the margin of error. Compare only *practising *Christians and those without a religion, those without a religious affiliation are more likely to be abusive than practising Christians.

Like I wrote earlier, much of the media in the West are practically engaging in disseminating propaganda against Christians. Former journalists and people older than me have noticed this and the changes in their tone and how they report when it involves Christians. It shouldn’t surprise us as Jesus told us the world hates us so we should expect this and the twisting of statistics in away to slander us. But we should expose these evil deeds from slanderers with the light of truth and honesty.
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Roseeurekacross said:
abc.net.au/news/2017-07-18/domestic-violence-church-submit-to-husbands/8652028

This is so sad and the next thing the Catholic Church in my country is going to be attacked for. And completely unfounded today.
Domestic violence awareness is huge here. A very current topic.
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I’m pretty sure the ugly face of domestic violence isnt occurring in devoutly Christian homes where monogamous spouses love and honor their (Christian) marriage vows.

It’s mostly being perpetrated by ex-husbands and estranged partners.

The cause of domestic violence, in my opinion, is infidelity, vanity, greed, selfishness, drug and alcohol abuse, and the disintegration of the Judeo-Christian nuclear family.
 
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