Dominican Friars

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But the friaries are fairly well spread all over Italia, no?

ie, not their fault if there’s a ton of vocations over there 😃

or am I missing something, fratello? :o:o:o
In some places the nearest friary is in another city. In some places they’re in the same city. There no real logic to how they built these places.

The issue is threefold:
  1. They admitted too many people without sufficient oversight.
  2. They did not disperse their men into small fraternities where you can build a family life.
  3. No superior can oversee that many men and get to know them, much less be their spiritual leader. St. Maximilian had friars who said that they had never met him. They saw him at community functions, but unless there was a need to go to the superior’s office, they never had a conversation with the man. He was not a mean person. He was just a very busy person.
The large orders had this problem for a long time: Franciscans, Dominicans, Jesuits, Carmelites, Salesians and Christian Brothers.

Actually, most vocations today come from the developing nations, not from Europe or North America.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
  1. They admitted too many people without sufficient oversight.
Do you think there is a danger of ailing orders/provinces admitting people without sufficient oversight due to lack of vocations? In other words, “we need whoever we can get”?
 
Do you think there is a danger of ailing orders/provinces admitting people without sufficient oversight due to lack of vocations? In other words, “we need whoever we can get”?
Definitely. We’re human beings and we tend to panic. The first warm body that comes along may be admitted only to regret it later on.

This is one of the points that the Holy See was trying to address in the visitation with the sisters. The Holy See wanted to understand how they go about getting vocations and forming them. It knows that many of these communities are hurting and there is always this fear. The Holy See wanted a report on how recruiting and formation is done.

Religious superiors have to be very careful not to let their fear of the future guide their judgment.

It almost reminds me of the man or woman who has never married. Suddenly, one’s friends and siblings are married and one begins to realize that one is alone or going to be alone. The person marries the first breathing being that comes their way, only to find out that he got on the wrong train. One has married a nut job.

It’s another good reason for making formation much longer than it was in the past.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Second, it is against the rules of Franciscans to put any friar or nun in a nursing home. We keep out people with us until they die. The only time that someone may have to go to an institution is if he or she needs technology that cannot be provided at home. In such a case, a friar is assigned to be with him 24/7. He is always in community.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
That is quite amazing. 👍
 
That is quite amazing. 👍
I could not agree more. It tells you almost everything you need to know about what brotherhood means to them. I have heard that Dominicans have a good reputation for taking care of their older friars, sisters, and nuns but I do not know if they have the same rules regarding staying in the hospital.
 
That is quite amazing. 👍
I could not agree more. It tells you almost everything you need to know about what brotherhood means to them. I have heard that Dominicans have a good reputation for taking care of their older friars, sisters, and nuns but I do not know if they have the same rules regarding staying in the hospital.
When Fr. Benedict G. had his car accident, he was in the hospital six months. Two friars were assigned to take turns being with him 24/7. for the whole six months. When he went home and had to be in bed, Br. Paul was assigned to be available to him until he could move around.

When Padre Pio was sick and in bed, the superior of the house stopped everything and stayed with him 24//7. He slept on a cot next to Padre Pio and another friar brought them their meals and Holy Communion.

When I was first professed, we had an older friar who had to go to the hospital. I was assigned to the hospital with him so that he would die in fraternity. When he was about to die, he opened his eyes and shouted, “Jay!” I put my arms around him. He said, “Thank you my brother.” He closed his eyes and went home to heaven. I still cry when I remember.

In all those cases, the other friars are in and out. Someone comes by every few hours. If they’re at home, they get the best room, best bed, best food, and everything the want. The sky is the limit.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I used to think that was the case with all Religious Orders / Congregations etc.

Unfortunately, since not all of them are booming with vocations, sometimes there are not enough people to take care of the ill.
 
When I was first professed, we had an older friar who had to go to the hospital. I was assigned to the hospital with him so that he would die in fraternity. When he was about to die, he opened his eyes and shouted, “Jay!” I put my arms around him. He said, “Thank you my brother.” He closed his eyes and went home to heaven. I still cry when I remember.
That is pretty amazing, thanks for sharing something so personal.
In all those cases, the other friars are in and out. Someone comes by every few hours. If they’re at home, they get the best room, best bed, best food, and everything they want. The sky is the limit.
I know that Dominic himself forced several of the friars who were ill to take extra food, etc. during the early years of the Order. How that is handled today is something I do not know.
 
I used to think that was the case with all Religious Orders / Congregations etc.

Unfortunately, since not all of them are booming with vocations, sometimes there are not enough people to take care of the ill.
The congregations are different from the orders. The congregations were founded for a particular ministry. With the exception of the Dominicans and Jesuits, the orders were founded to live the fraternal life. That’s the main apostolate in a religious order, excepting the two that I mentioned. Dominicans and Jesuits were founded to preach.

What happens in congregations is that they are often tied up in their work. If they runs schools or hospitals, etc , you can’t pull someone out to take care of a sick brother or sister. You have to make arrangements. Usually, they’re sent to the mother house where there are novices, if they have novices.

In the orders, they can stay in their house, because the orders have no qualms about canceling Sunday masses at a parish because a friar has to be home with a sick or older brother. The mass is not as important as the older brother. He can celebrate mass in the room with the brother and the laity can find another mass.

Friars like me, who are in outreach ministries can drop everything and take care of a sick brother. If I can’t go to the pregnancy centers, someone else will volunteer. If we can’t take care of the pregnancy center, because we have no brothers, we close it as long as necessary. That’s not a big deal to us. Ministry to our own comes first.

We drop everything for the annual community retreat, for chapters, meetings, anniversaries, ordinations, profession of vows. We have been known to travel all night and leave a parish closed to go to the profession of a novice. When we go into a diocese we make this perfectly clear to the bishops. The bishops always promise that the lay faithful will adapt to the Franciscan spirituality or they will find another parish, school, program or whatever. Without that understanding with the bishop, we don’t take on any ministry in any diocese.

For example, in NYC, at St. Francis Church, the diocese set them up as a non territorial parish. They’re a parish without boundaries. They’re for anyone who happens to be downtown. This way, they have no commitments to a parish school, a convent of sisters next to the school or the local hospital. They can spend their time with the people and with each other. That place is like a revolving door. There are more strange people walking through the door than Grand Central Station. The friars who manage the Church bring in the income to put food on the table for everyone in the house. There are many friars at that house whose work does not provide an income. But that’s how fraternity works.

I’m pretty sure that the Dominicans do the same thing. I know their house in Washington, DC. I went to school across the street. At the Dominican House of Studies, only a few friars bring in money. They teach and go out to preach missions. But most of the friars are in formation or are formators. They have no income. But the friars around the province send money to the mother house, which is channeled to the house of studies. The house of studies also serves as home to many older and sick friars. It’s a great place for them, because they’re with young friars who have energy and put life into the old guys. Even the friars who do not live there have a vested interest in those who are there. That’s fraternity.

I don’t care whether you’re Franciscan, Dominican or Benedictine. The truth is that as much as the old guys complain about the young guys, they love being with them.

They would be bored to death if they could not complain about the friar who shows up for prayers in running shorts. The wouldn’t be happy if they could not complain about the friar who has a pony tail. They would not be happy if they could not complain about the younger friar who is always telling them what to do and what not to do. I saw one friar complain about the fact that the younger friars prayed too fast and he couldn’t keep up. The truth was that he was blind as a bat. He had lost his sight with age. But he did not want to admit it. He was a riot. He would bump into big statutes that we had on the grounds and say, “Excuse me, but can you get out of my way?”

One day I looked at him and said, “Greg, how slow do you want us to go?” He looked at me and said, “Don’t be a wise a*s.” LOL

That’s fraternal life.🤷

Fraternally,

Br.JR, OSF 🙂
That is pretty amazing, thanks for sharing something so personal.

I know that Dominic himself forced several of the friars who were ill to take extra food, etc. during the early years of the Order. How that is handled today is something I do not know.
 
I saw one friar complain about the fact that the younger friars prayed too fast and he couldn’t keep up. The truth was that he was blind as a bat. He had lost his sight with age. But he did not want to admit it. He was a riot. He would bump into big statutes that we had on the grounds and say, “Excuse me, but can you get out of my way?”

One day I looked at him and said, “Greg, how slow do you want us to go?” He looked at me and said, “Don’t be a wise a*s.” LOL
I have tears in my eyes right now I am laughing so hard. Thanks for that one! 😃
 
I have tears in my eyes right now I am laughing so hard. Thanks for that one! 😃
I love old religious and old priests. They’re a hoot. I’ll be there soon too. I’m past 60.

I once saw a Dominican Friar who must have been a day shy of 100. He was the sweetest old man and a holy soul. I remember looking at him and thinking, “What is wrong with this picture?”

When I realized what it was, I almost laughed out loud. Fortunately, my Dominican friend, whom I was visiting noticed and walked him away. Because the Dominican habit is white, the summer habit is a very lightweight fabric. You can see through it, if the light is right. Apparently, Father had forgotten to put on trousers. Through the tunic of the habit I could see read hearts. I was wondering, “Why does this man’s habit have red shadows that look like hearts?” It took me a minute to realize that these were his boxers.

Community life stories? I have tons of them. Some make you laugh so hard that you cry. Others are very touching or very sad. It’s a microcosm of the Church.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I love old religious and old priests. They’re a hoot. I’ll be there soon too. I’m past 60.

I once saw a Dominican Friar who must have been a day shy of 100. He was the sweetest old man and a holy soul. I remember looking at him and thinking, “What is wrong with this picture?”

When I realized what it was, I almost laughed out loud. Fortunately, my Dominican friend, whom I was visiting noticed and walked him away. Because the Dominican habit is white, the summer habit is a very lightweight fabric. You can see through it, if the light is right. Apparently, Father had forgotten to put on trousers. Through the tunic of the habit I could see read hearts. I was wondering, “Why does this man’s habit have red shadows that look like hearts?” It took me a minute to realize that these were his boxers.

Community life stories? I have tons of them. Some make you laugh so hard that you cry. Others are very touching or very sad. It’s a microcosm of the Church.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Hilarious!
 
I got a kick out of JR’s bit about the old guys complaining about the young guys. Boy that’s the world over, ain’t it? Kvetching’s a sport that’s enjoyable in its own way. I was in a Bible study that ended up featuring the older women complaining about the young women.
 
Eh, yound whippersnappers! I 'member when we hadda walk to school 20 miles… barefoot… in the snow… uphill… both ways… eh… too cliche… let’s try again…

I remember when we had to reheat things… on the stove… before saying grace and eating together as a family… around the same table… talking to each other… before we all went to the same living room… to watch the one television in the house… and had a choice of only five channels… and not have to answer kids’ questions about graphic depictions of sex or violence… and when the phone rang… we didn’t know who was calling… and had to actually answer to find out… and it was always a real person that we knew… in the words of Archie and Edith… “THOSE WERE THE DAAAAAYYYYYYYYS!”
 
LOL Thank you for that. It’s all in the hands of Providence, my superior and the local bishop. I only get a voice, if they say that I may express my preference.

I’ll know in a few weeks. My time here is up on the Feast of Pentecost. It can be renewed or I can be asked to go someplace else. 🤷

I’m not much good around here anyway. I have Leukemia and congestive heart disease. I can’t do as much as I did before I got sick. We’ll see. As the picture of Divine Mercy says, “Jesus, I trust in you.”

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Whatever the future brings in your next assignment, so be it. But I want you to know I fully believe you have done a great deal of good work around here and I am eternally grateful to God and your superior that you were sent here.

I have learned so much, and in so many ways you have helped quiet my soul over a variety of issues and concerns.

Your presence here has been a great blessing for me, and I am sure others can make the same witness. 🙂
 
LOL Thank you for that. It’s all in the hands of Providence, my superior and the local bishop. I only get a voice, if they say that I may express my preference.

I’ll know in a few weeks. My time here is up on the Feast of Pentecost. It can be renewed or I can be asked to go someplace else. 🤷

I’m not much good around here anyway. I have Leukemia and congestive heart disease. I can’t do as much as I did before I got sick. We’ll see. As the picture of Divine Mercy says, “Jesus, I trust in you.”

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I guess what I am saying is that your work and efforts here, have borne much fruit in my life, and I am very grateful. 🙂
 
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