Dominican Third Order?

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JReducation said:
If you click the tab that says “about”, you will find this statement embedded in their story.
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It was not until the last years of the 20th century that an expression of Dominican spirituality and life could be found outside of the Roman Catholic Church.**

That would mean the 1990s.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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Thanks. I never really bothered to look.

Peace,
 
JReducation said:
In our formation program we use one called The Concise Summa. It only has those parts of Aquinas that the Church actually incorporated into her theology and leaves out everything else. It’s a very easy read and quick interesting, because it does not use the question and answer format. I reads like a narrative. In other words, it has everything any Catholic needs to know from Aquinas.
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amazon.com/Summa-Theologiae-A-Concise-Translation/dp/0870612107

Is this the book you were referring to Brother?
 
jwinch2 said:
amazon.com/Summa-Theologiae-A-Concise-Translation/dp/0870612107

Is this the book you were referring to Brother?
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The table of content looks just like it. The one we had was hard cover with an orange paper cover over it. But this seems to be the same book, just in paperback form.

I found this book much easier to read than the actual Summa. It doesn’t use the dialogue style that Thomas used. I always found that style of writing annoying, because at times I would get lost and not know who is doing the speaking.

We had one class where the professor told us about this book. It helped me appreciate Thomas’ genius. I spent more time thinking about what he wrote and less time trying to figure out the argument. Also, it offers you Thomas’ understanding of dogmas and Christian Tradition in a very concise form. I didn’t want to throttle him as I did when I was asked to read the Summa by other professors in earlier classes.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
JReducation said:
The table of content looks just like it. The one we had was hard cover with an orange paper cover over it. But this seems to be the same book, just in paperback form.

I found this book much easier to read than the actual Summa. It doesn’t use the dialogue style that Thomas used. I always found that style of writing annoying, because at times I would get lost and not know who is doing the speaking.

We had one class where the professor told us about this book. It helped me appreciate Thomas’ genius. I spent more time thinking about what he wrote and less time trying to figure out the argument. Also, it offers you Thomas’ understanding of dogmas and Christian Tradition in a very concise form. I didn’t want to throttle him as I did when I was asked to read the Summa by other professors in earlier classes.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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Thanks. I’ll probably pick it up. I have the Catechism of the Summa Theologica which I will likely keep as well. I have put some of my other Aquinas summaries up for sale on Amazon. Those two ought to take care of my Aquinas needs from the sounds of it.
 
OP: we need to change the title of this thread to “Franciscan Third Order” by now. The discussions shifted.

Or maybe there should be a Franciscan Third Order thread in its own right.

Here’s an Anglican Dominican:
youtube.com/watch?v=oNwu0Of-ThY
 
Captain_America said:
OP: we need to change the title of this thread to “Franciscan Third Order” by now. The discussions shifted.

Or maybe there should be a Franciscan Third Order thread in its own right.
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There are plenty of Secular Franciscan Order threads and it always seems to bounce back and forth between Franciscans and Dominicans whenever either one is being discussed. 🤷 Part of it is my fault as I PM’d Brother JR asking him to jump in the thread when I started questioning my vocation as a Lay Dominican. But you know, once you open the door, those pesky Franciscans just can’t help themselves. They can’t resist trying to poach in Dominic’s patch… 😛 😃

There are still a ton of great articles, etc. on Dominicans earlier in the thread.

Peace,
 
jwinch2 said:
There are plenty of Secular Franciscan Order threads and it always seems to bounce back and forth between Franciscans and Dominicans whenever either one is being discussed. 🤷 Part of it is my fault as I PM’d Brother JR asking him to jump in the thread when I started questioning my vocation as a Lay Dominican. But you know, once you open the door, those pesky Franciscans just can’t help themselves. They can’t resist trying to poach in Dominic’s patch… 😛 😃

There are still a ton of great articles, etc. on Dominicans earlier in the thread.

Peace,
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Hey, be nice. Were it not for St. Francis, there wouldn’t be a Dominican Third Order. 😃

Actually, during the early days it was all one movement of penitents, some leaned toward the Dominicans and others toward the Franciscans. The separation did not happen until Francis wrote his rule for the penitents in 1221.

Those who were inclined to follow Dominic approached the Priors looking for a home. Since the Dominicans never had a rule of their own, the priors could not offer one to the laity. The best they could offer was to incorporate them. That’s how you come to have the current situation where there is only one Dominican Master as opposed 112 Franciscan Superiors General. It may be more than that.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
I’m currently reading the commentary Jason suggested on the Rule of St. Augustine. I like the author’s approach, and it seems that for the first section of the book what he’s saying is applicable to any Rule.

No word yet from the Priory, which is still very disconcerting. I’m beginning to re-evaluate if the Lay Dominicans is where God actually wants me to go, seeing how it’s simply not getting off the ground.

There’s a youth conference happening in my city in a month, and I’m a part of the music team for it. I always find myself getting spiritually enriched while doing music, so perhaps a whole weekend of doing so will result in some good fruit!
 
Melchior said:
No word yet from the Priory, which is still very disconcerting. I’m beginning to re-evaluate if the Lay Dominicans is where God actually wants me to go, seeing how it’s simply not getting off the ground.
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Perhaps a gentle reminder? It has been some time now hasn’t it?
 
jwinch2 said:
Perhaps a gentle reminder? It has been some time now hasn’t it?
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I’ve E-Mailed him twice now, and received no response from him. He might be in France teaching and not able to check his messages though.
 
TrueLight said:
Ha ha. I’m just getting this. Talk about delayed response.
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You’re like my mother. She would break out into laughter when no one else was laughing. It was always the same case. It’s Tuesday and she just got the punchline in Sunday’s joke. She was a riot. I’m sure she’s making God laugh.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Oh, I imagine just picking up St. Thomas might be rough.

Why don’t you start with Aristotle and the Nichomachean Ethics? This would be a good place to start.

Skip the summa of the summa book, then, next, and instead go with Feser’s book on Aquinas by One World.

If Aquinas on metaphysics is tough, go back to Aristotle, then pick it up.

Item 2: I’m still scratching my head and wondering why contemporary people perpetuate an outdated rivalry between orders. What’s the point?
 
Captain_America said:
Oh, I imagine just picking up St. Thomas might be rough.

Why don’t you start with Aristotle and the Nichomachean Ethics? This would be a good place to start.

Skip the summa of the summa book, then, next, and instead go with Feser’s book on Aquinas by One World.

If Aquinas on metaphysics is tough, go back to Aristotle, then pick it up.

Item 2: I’m still scratching my head and wondering why contemporary people perpetuate an outdated rivalry between orders. What’s the point?
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That’s some heavy reading there.

I don’t think that there is a rivalry between religious communities. I think people read more into it than is there. A lot of the misreading has to do with the policy of secrecy that is maintained by the religious communities, especially the orders of men. The policy has always been and still is, “share nothing with the laity about what happens inside the community or between communities.” There is a lot of good stuff happening, but unless one is observing, which requires that one be in the place, one would not know it.

For example, everyone jokes about Jesuits, Franciscans and Dominicans. They actually work together very well and have a deep respect for each other. Unless you’re in an area where you see all three, you may miss it.

When we are together, we tease the heck out of each other. Either the Franciscans or the Jesuits are usually at the receiving end. The Dominicans have a knack for dishing it our and avoiding being targeted. I’m saying this in a very positive way. I’m talking about the teasing.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, FFV 🙂
 
As a follow up; I called someone who is a part of a SFO chapter here in the city, and he just sent me a BUNCH of stuff via E-Mail and invited me to their next meeting.

The help out at an old folks home once a month as a group. They meet one THURSDAY a month, and you are NOT attached to the parish they attend, meaning that you can continue on any personal apostates you may have (in my case; youth ministry).

I am intrigued greatly by this, and I’m seriously thinking of getting a sitter for that evening so my wife and I can go to the meeting together. It’s a stark contrast to the communications problems I am having with the local chapter of the T.O.S.D.
 
Melchior said:
As a follow up; I called someone who is a part of a SFO chapter here in the city, and he just sent me a BUNCH of stuff via E-Mail and invited me to their next meeting.

The help out at an old folks home once a month as a group. They meet one THURSDAY a month, and you are NOT attached to the parish they attend, meaning that you can continue on any personal apostates you may have (in my case; youth ministry).

I am intrigued greatly by this, and I’m seriously thinking of getting a sitter for that evening so my wife and I can go to the meeting together. It’s a stark contrast to the communications problems I am having with the local chapter of the T.O.S.D.
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Verrrry Interesting.

Being welcoming always attracts and retains folks.
 
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