Domino's Pizza founder pours millions for new Catholic university

[shs-aod]

Another interesting “take” on Monaghan and Ave Maria Town

opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110007536

 

[TPJCatholic]

I think TM should not allow any pharmacies or hospitals in “his” town. That should lie outside the boundaries of Ave Maria Twon. He just will not win legal battles against the ACLU and Planned Parenthood and then his ideals will crumble before his own eyes. Better to just not let them in ever–imo.

 

[Jennifer_J]

shs-aod:

Try this for starters: newoxfordreview.org/dossier.jsp?did=dossier-ave-maria-college

It should lead to a lot more of the total story.

You have to subscribe or pay to read the full articles, just fyi

Jennifer

 

[TPJCatholic]

I do wonder why TM would want to build his dream right in the middle of hurrican territory. Makes no sense to me.

 

[marysson]

Domino’s Pizza founder pours millions for new Catholic university

Pizza magnate Thomas S. Monaghan, founder of Domino’s Pizza, has pledged more than $250 million to construct Ave Maria University and a surrounding town by the same name where planners expect to attract 20,000 residents
…
Officials say the institution, which is not tied to any religious order or diocese, will offer an alternative to some more secular Catholic colleges and universities.

“There are a lot of Catholic universities that have lost their mission in the spread of the faith,” said Gov. Jeb Bush, who spoke at the event. “This university is grounded in the Catholic doctrine.”

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I will now fully support Domino’s…uh oh, what about my waistline?

 

[maryalene]

I’m in Michigan too, and I don’t really understand what is going on. I don’t subscribe to NOR so I can’t read the articles. I get so confused about the difference between the law school and the college. I understand that the college has moved to Florida, and they are trying to buy out the remaining Michigan students. What I don’t understand is what is happening to the law school. I was looking into applying but don’t want to if they are heading out of state too.

 

[TPJCatholic]

think the idea is understandable, but wrong. Jesus would not have us pull away from the world–imo. Rather, Jesus would have us living in the world as faithful Catholics. If a couple thousand faithful Catholics move to that town, then that is a couple thousand Catholics who are not living near people who need their witness.

Jesus tells us to “go out” and make disciples of all nations…not to withdraw into a community of like minded people.

 

[Maranatha]

TPJCatholic:

think the idea is understandable, but wrong. Jesus would not have us pull away from the world–imo. Rather, Jesus would have us living in the world as faithful Catholics. If a couple thousand faithful Catholics move to that town, then that is a couple thousand Catholics who are not living near people who need their witness.

Jesus tells us to “go out” and make disciples of all nations…not to withdraw into a community of like minded people.

Should we have the Pope shut down all the monasteries?

 

[TPJCatholic]

Maranatha,

Of course the Pope should not shutdown relgious orders and groups. However, is that what the town is going to be, a private Catholic order? Or, is it going to be populated by lay Catholics?

Lay Catholics are called to be in the world, yet not of the world. We are called to be witnesses to Christ among the people that need it the most.

The Catholics in that town will be well protected from the outside world, and that is attractive. Yet, they will also be enjoying their faith and enjoying the sacraments, and enjoying talk with like minded people, all while the world around them is walking straight to hell.

 

[manualman]

College towns are quite frequently transitory places where people come for a time (either as students, faculty or staff).

Is this REALLY an attempt at a permanent catholic commune, or is it more like boot camp?

IMO, we sorely need the latter in today’s church.

 

[setter]

think the idea is understandable, but wrong. Jesus would not have us pull away from the world–imo. Rather, Jesus would have us living in the world as faithful Catholics. If a couple thousand faithful Catholics move to that town, then that is a couple thousand Catholics who are not living near people who need their witness.

Jesus tells us to “go out” and make disciples of all nations…not to withdraw into a community of like minded people.

Then the NCCB must also be wrong:

From A Pastoral Statement on the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, *National Conference of Catholic Bishops * (Washington, D.C. 1989), pp. 6-9, 13-14:

Community and the Credibility of the Gospel

1. If some people judge that God is no longer relevant to their lives, one reason is the lack of a vital Christian community in which they can experience his presence and power and can see and hear the Gospel preached and lived authentically. The charismatic renewal has grasped the communitarian dimension of the Good News. The return to different forms of community is prompted by the deepest Christian instinct. The first reaction of the early Church to the presence of the risen Christ and the power of the Spirit was the formation of community, which constituted the historic nucleus of Church (Ac 2:44-47, 4:32-35). Within the context of today’s Church, committed Christians have come together to find spiritual nourishment, to pray and praise, to evangelize, to serve others. A variety of communities arise in this way. There are inter-parochial prayer groups, parish prayer groups and covenant communities. Some are wholly Catholic in membership; some are ecumenical. In all of the various community forms there is evidence of a great spiritual hunger for God, his presence and his Word.

rc.net/org/cka/books/html/selection_two.html

 

[TPJCatholic]

setter,

Thank you for your post.

I agree fully that faith based communites are a vital part of the life of the Church. However, those are not permanent housing communities populated by lay Catholics. What we are discussing here is several thousand lay Catholics (the most faithful among us) leaving the world to live in a Catholic town (not a prayer group). Those Catholics would be taking themselves out of the world.

Respectfully, I think you are reading that document incorrectly. I does not apply to this “town” idea.

Further, If Jesus though thay way, He would never have left the comfort of Heaven.

If many of the saints that that way, they would not have been saints.

If John Paul II thought that way, he would not have become the most travelled Pope in history, he would have remained in the Vatican, and millions upon millions of people would not have grown to love him and Christ.

We are to be fully in the world…not of the world, but fully in it where we can help do the work of the Kingdom.

 

[TPJCatholic]

“But, satan, what will you do to take God’s souls away from Him?”

“Ahhh, let me tell you my child:”

“First, I’ll convince Holy Priests to stray from the truth and fall into the horrors of child abuse…thereby placing a huge stain on the entire Priesthood and the faith.”

“Second, I will trick Priests into no longer preaching critical truths about me, about hell, about sin, about the need for confession and sin; thereby causing regular lay Catholics to not bother seeking forgiveness for their sins, making them feel that God does not really judge sin and that God would never allow anyone to go to hell. It will work so well that most people will not even believe in hell.”

“Third, I will trick Catholics into thinking they can “choose” what truths of the faith that they want to follow, leading them to divorce, abortion, contraception, fornication, rampant materialism, etc…”

“Fourth, I will trick the culture into thinking unnatural relations are fine…thereby making homosexual acts and transgendered acts seem fine, even preferable.”

“Fifth, I will trick the world into thinking traditional marriage is a bad thing; thereby pulling entire peoples of Europe and other nations away from another sacrament and away from building holy familes for God.”

“Sixth, I will trick people into thinking abusing people through pornography is actually a good thing.”

“Seventh, I will trick people into thinking traditional faith is antiquated and should not be followed.”

“Eight, I will raise up mega-Churches that do not speak against these thing and help people feel they can choose their own path.”

“Nine, I will trick the school teachers and principals into avoiding teaching the real faith in the name of being tolerant.”

“Ten, I will trick many of God’s clergy into not speaking out against these deceptions that I will pour all over the globe.”

"Eleventh, after I have reduced the faithful Catholic numbers down to small percentages, I will then set out to attack those faithful by appealing to their frustration with the lack of faith in the world. I will entice them to build a Catholic town and then trick the very best, brightest and most faithful of those Catholics into living in that town, so that thousands of my Catholic enemies will no longer be living near my children of the world. Perhaps I can even entice them to build a couple more Catholic towns, hiding good Catholics by even larger numbers."

"Ahhh–that wonderful Catholic city on the hill is going to be the city in the brush, hidden from view and not able to do me much harm. They will still spit at me now and then, but they will be completely ineffective behind the doors of their Catholic town, oblivious to the souls be deceived into hell just outside their city limits."

"This is going to be great. I think I’ll get started right away."

 

[Goldy]

“But, satan, what will you do to take God’s souls away from Him?”

“Ahhh, let me tell you my child:”

“First, I’ll convince Holy Priests to stray from the truth and fall into the horrors of child abuse…thereby placing a huge stain on the entire Priesthood and the faith.”

“Second, I will trick Priests into no longer preaching critical truths about me, about hell, about sin, about the need for confession and sin; thereby causing regular lay Catholics to not bother seeking forgiveness for their sins, making them feel that God does not really judge sin and that God would never allow anyone to go to hell. It will work so well that most people will not even believe in hell.”

“Third, I will trick Catholics into thinking they can “choose” what truths of the faith that they want to follow, leading them to divorce, abortion, contraception, fornication, rampant materialism, etc…”

“Fourth, I will trick the culture into thinking unnatural relations are fine…thereby making homosexual acts and transgendered acts seem fine, even preferable.”

“Fifth, I will trick the world into thinking traditional marriage is a bad thing; thereby pulling entire peoples of Europe and other nations away from another sacrament and away from building holy familes for God.”

“Sixth, I will trick people into thinking abusing people through pornography is actually a good thing.”

“Seventh, I will trick people into thinking traditional faith is antiquated and should not be followed.”

“Eight, I will raise up mega-Churches that do not speak against these thing and help people feel they can choose their own path.”

“Nine, I will trick the school teachers and principals into avoiding teaching the real faith in the name of being tolerant.”

“Ten, I will trick many of God’s clergy into not speaking out against these deceptions that I will pour all over the globe.”

"Eleventh, after I have reduced the faithful Catholic numbers down to small percentages, I will then set out to attack those faithful by appealing to their frustration with the lack of faith in the world. I will entice them to build a Catholic town and then trick the very best, brightest and most faithful of those Catholics into living in that town, so that thousands of my Catholic enemies will no longer be living near my children of the world. Perhaps I can even entice them to build a couple more Catholic towns, hiding good Catholics by even larger numbers."

"Ahhh–that wonderful Catholic city on the hill is going to be the city in the brush, hidden from view and not able to do me much harm. They will still spit at me now and then, but they will be completely ineffective behind the doors of their Catholic town, oblivious to the souls be deceived into hell just outside their city limits."

"This is going to be great. I think I’ll get started right away."

TPJ,

Where did you find this quote? I think it is very powerful. Was it from the “Screwtape Letters”? Thanks

 

[TPJCatholic]

Goldy,

I wrote. You are welcome to use it.

 

[TPJCatholic]

To all,

Thank you very much for a lively chat. No-one can ever claim that this site has people of weak mind!

I will end my thoughts with this:

Jews, moderate Catholics, Cafteria Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Hindus, etc…will not likely want to live in that town.

So, who would want to live there? Answer: Faithful, well formed, educated Catholics…like all of you.

Ultimately, the people who need the town the most will not live there, and those who need the town the least will live there. And, if that happens, then the world will become a much more lonely place for people like me. I, and people like me, need you in the real world, in real parishes, teaching people who need it, talking to parish Priests about their abuses, being on school boards, being Catechists and being on various ministries, you are needed right smack dab in the middle of the world, right next to me with your spiritual sword in hand. I will miss you desparately because the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few and if you go to live in that town, the workers will be even fewer.

There needs to be more of Christ in the world–not less. There needs to be more people in places of great need who really love Christ…in the cities, in the neighborhoods, in the parishes, in the work place, in the parks, in the zoos, we need all of you in the middle of the world, not tucked safely away in a Catholic town.

You are a precious, valuable resource and your numbers are so few that it creates an even more scary world once you leave the world (which you will do when you move to that town).

One final thought: it is wrong to compare the town to Monastaries or covents or religious groups, the town will be none of the above, it will simply be another American town that has attracted God’s best lay foot-soliders into living a life away from the world.

Yet alas, I have done my very best to convince you and yet you remain unconvinced. So I bid you God’s blessings and hopefully we will encounter one another in Heaven.

Thanks for having patience with my passion for this passion.

God Bless.

 

[Goldy]

TPJCatholic:

To all,

Thank you very much for a lively chat. No-one can ever claim that this site has people of weak mind!

I will end my thoughts with this:

Jews, moderate Catholics, Cafteria Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Hindus, etc…will not likely want to live in that town.

So, who would want to live there? Answer: Faithful, well formed, educated Catholics…like all of you.

Ultimately, the people who need the town the most will not live there, and those who need the town the least will live there. And, if that happens, then the world will become a much more lonely place for people like me. I, and people like me, need you in the real world, in real parishes, teaching people who need it, talking to parish Priests about their abuses, being on school boards, being Catechists and being on various ministries, you are needed right smack dab in the middle of the world, right next to me with your spiritual sword in hand. I will miss you desparately because the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few and if you go to live in that town, the workers will be even fewer.

There needs to be more of Christ in the world–not less. There needs to be more people in places of great need who really love Christ…in the cities, in the neighborhoods, in the parishes, in the work place, in the parks, in the zoos, we need all of you in the middle of the world, not tucked safely away in a Catholic town.

You are a precious, valuable resource and your numbers are so few that it creates an even more scary world once you leave the world (which you will do when you move to that town).

One final thought: it is wrong to compare the town to Monastaries or covents or religious groups, the town will be none of the above, it will simply be another American town that has attracted God’s best lay foot-soliders into living a life away from the world.

Yet alas, I have done my very best to convince you and yet you remain unconvinced. So I bid you God’s blessings and hopefully we will encounter one another in Heaven.

Thanks for having patience with my passion for this passion.

God Bless.

TPJ,

I like your post and your passion. I agree with you. We faithful Catholics need to be out on the front lines and fight the good fight. We need to spread the truth, especially to those who don’t want to hear it. If we spread the truth with love in our hearts (something I’m not always good at), the world will be a better place. People would listen. People in the past have done this (i.e. Mother Teresa). It’s very difficult, but in my opinion Heaven can wait. Ave Maria town sounds like a wonderful place, but I think God wants us to be His soldiers out in the war-zones. He needs us more than ever!! It’s not an easy job, but the reward is eternal.

 

[aj830]

I know we are talking about the town here but also remeber there is a university here. I went to the temporary campus a week ago and it was one of the best experiences in my life. The students don’t cower in their own little Catholic Cave either. They go out for multiple service projects and prayer in front of abortion clinics. So even though you may not support the town so much I hope you will support the College. Namely it also has a very good Pre-Theologate program that plans to have over 60 people by next year(out of the 400 students on the temporary campus.)
which will fill their program at their temporary campus. So don’t be to fast to condemn where good came come from.

 

[Holly3278]

You know, I think I’ve only eaten Dominos pizza maybe once or twice in my life, if that. I think I’ll try their pizza more often now!

 

[shs-aod]

Some further information on the Ave Maria Foundation, University and Law School, as well as the prospectus of the new community near Naples FL from an “insiders” POV.

whoseamsol.blogspot.com/

Some may find this of interest…