Don Bosco's vision of Hell

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I haven’t robbed myself of anything. How can I have? I am not the source of my own being. I am only as much as God declares me to be. If that includes the sensation of having a free will then so be it. It is what it is.
 
Again this is just statements of belief. Not proof of reality. This is what we are debating.
 
If you believe God established and exists within past, present, and future simultaneously then you can no more change the direction of you event future than you can change your existent past by decisions you make in this present moment.
 
The consequences are of no consequence concerning this. The point is the disharmony created is apparently not uniform nor equal among human persons. If we all partake equally in the consequences of original sin, how is it then that there is so much inequality among the struggles and abilities of the sinners to fight the good fight? To say that we all have an equal freedom of the will to choose good is farcical to actuality.
 
I’m not sure what you mean here? You speak as if the soul of a person which has the will gives this will to another who then becomes aware of it? Body and soul are one nature. One nature with one will. Are you aware of you body? Are you aware of your soul? Are you aware of the difference in you free will? Just ask yourself…where does the next thought I’m having and formulating in sentences right now come from? It seemingly springs fully formed straight out of the void. Are you aware of formulating your thinking before you think it? What starts you thinking on a particular path then? What makes you “freely” choose one thing over another when you could have chosen differently? Why, even given your free will do you choose a particular thing over another if no stimulus or compunction to do so exists without you being aware?
 
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From the Baltimore Catechism
  1. Q. Why did God make you?
    A. God made me to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this world, and to be happy with Him for ever in heaven.
Had it drilled into my head by the good sisters.

Jim
 
And how are we to do this without God having made us to do this? Everything circles back to Gods will. How is it then that some choose not to love him? Free will?
God makes a car. He makes it to run around a track and back to him when he winds it up with this caveat, he makes this car to be imperfect so that it will not be able to run a perfect lap back to him but may have to do so with wheels falling off or the spring mechanism giving out etc. All due to his first created cars taking a path different from the one he created for it in order to make a more perfect car. Since cars can steer it is a more perfect car that can steer between two paths rather than one that leads inevitably back to him. A car comes to a split in the track. It can either steer right or left. One path lead to a dead end one back to God. Since God has created past, present, and future simultaneously, how can this car decide freely to choose left and destruction versus right and back to God when God is already holding the car which came back to him in the future? Either the car in the present in actuality has no free will to choose the dead end or God cannot have set a future in which he holds the car simultaneously. This has never been satisfactorily explained to me and seems to create a contradiction.
 
One thing was common among many like Don Bosco, there were mandated to read Dante’s Divine Comedy and much of what they believe about hell and what we believe today came from Dante’s Inferno.

Of course it was a work of fiction, but nonetheless, the visionaries had it committed to memory by the time they had their first vision.

So, whether or not what they saw was factual or not, is left up to those who chose to believe.

Hell is real, I have no doubt about it. But it’s perplexing to me that visions of hell are spoken more about by Catholics than about visions of heaven.

It seems to be a message of hopelessness of which many believers pattern their lives after.

Jim
 
The reasons for why a person has a vision over a particular matter are mysterious, but a pretty straightforward explanation is that the doctrine of hell is heavily protested or avoided, whereas belief in Heaven is not. This thread demonstrates that pretty well. I don’t think God is overly concerned about a person “being perplexed” and is moreso concerned with their eternal beatitude.

That is why these messages continued in the 20th century as the world became more secular. St Maria Faustina’s Diary is now by far the most circulated book on mystical experiences in the world and it includes a page-long witnessing on hell, specifically - by her own words and with plain speech - for the purpose to show that there is a hell and that she had been there. Fatima includes a vision of hell witnessed by the three young saints. This is likewise controversial, since children are so frequently underestimated and belittled by adults, and some refuse to accept that the infinite power of God can sustain a person at any age to witness to a truth.

It takes awhile for a person to become canonized and for their experiences to become public (St Faustina was totally obscure during her life), but I have zero doubt that there is a person alive as we speak who will continue to carry this message. It is something that requires repeat because it is unpopular.
 
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I have to admit that it did give me some insight. What really resonated with me was the part where the angel told Bosco that the people in Hell have their suffering compounded by the knowledge by the fact that God made it easy for them to avoid this fate via the sacrament of reconciliation.
 
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Just for anyone interested the whole vision can be read here at: ~St. John Bosco - Dream (Vision) of Hell -The Road to Hell~
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just read the vision of hell. i got to change some things in my life. My question is though, why does it say at the end in quotations: “To adhere to a false bishop of Rome is to be out of communion with the Church.”

It then brings you too a link on OpusDeiAlert.com, stating the question “WHY JOHN PAUL II & BENEDICT XVI WERE ANTIPOPES AND FRANCES IS”
 
Ignore them.

Private revelation can be ignored without any detriment to your faith.

And I’m not aware of any Saints saying that, can you give specific examples?
 
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Spyridon said:
Ignore them.

Private revelation can be ignored without any detriment to your faith.

And I’m not aware of any Saints saying that, can you give specific examples?
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i think the Virgin Mary at La Salette said it
 
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