Donald Trump attacks Hillary Clinton as wins set stage for brutal election

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Thorolfr said:
Everything’s Obama’s fault…bad race relations, the situation in Syria, Iran possibly getting a bomb. No one else in the world has any responsibility for these situations except Obama. :rolleyes:
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Obama did exacerbate racial tensions when he could lead and unified.
 
Thorolfr said:
And you think Donald Trump will do a better job at easing racial tensions?
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We are talking about Obama which you bought up? Lost interest so soon? What has he done for race relations of black and white? Aside from further deteriorating the issue.
 
Thorolfr said:
Everything’s Obama’s fault…bad race relations, the situation in Syria, Iran possibly getting a bomb. No one else in the world has any responsibility for these situations except Obama. :rolleyes:
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Not everything, but certainly those things and some others. He is not responsible for the death of Michael Jackson or Prince. Nor is he responsible for pigeon droppings on public statuary.

But for a bad economy that is, even now, heading downward? Yes.
For a terrible foreign policy? Yes.

Hillary, is, however, co-equal in responsibility only for the latter. Well, “co-equal” might not be right, since she was the architect of the Libyan disaster while Obama is just now beginning to question the wisdom of it. If it was his own, he wouldn’t. So Libya might be hers entirely.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Not everything, but certainly those things and some others. He is not responsible for the death of Michael Jackson or Prince. Nor is he responsible for pigeon droppings on public statuary.

But for a bad economy that is, even now, heading downward? Yes.
For a terrible foreign policy? Yes.

Hillary, is, however, co-equal in responsibility only for the latter. Well, “co-equal” might not be right, since she was the architect of the Libyan disaster while Obama is just now beginning to question the wisdom of it. If it was his own, he wouldn’t. So Libya might be hers entirely.
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I have no doubt, however, that historians will rank Obama as a better president than his predecessor, George W. Bush. In the most recent poll of members of the American Political Science Association, they gave Obama a rank of 18 out of 44 US presidents (from best to worst). They gave George W. Bush a rank of 35 out of 44 US presidents.

In the Siena College Research Institute survey, Obama was ranked 15 out of 44. George W. Bush was ranked 39 out of 44.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
 
Thorolfr said:
And you think Donald Trump will do a better job at easing racial tensions?
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I don’t think any other candidate would have encouraged the violence that erupted in Ferguson, Baltimore like Obama did.
 
Thorolfr said:
I have no doubt, however, that historians will rank Obama as a better president than his predecessor, George W. Bush. In the most recent poll of members of the American Political Science Association, they gave Obama a rank of 18 out of 44 US presidents (from best to worst). They gave George W. Bush a rank of 35 out of 44 US presidents.

In the Siena College Research Institute survey, Obama was ranked 15 out of 44. George W. Bush was ranked 39 out of 44.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
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These must be liberal organizations and thus their rankings have no value. Only rankings from conservative organizations have value. Don’t you realize that?
 
Thorolfr said:
I have no doubt, however, that historians will rank Obama as a better president than his predecessor, George W. Bush. In the most recent poll of members of the American Political Science Association, they gave Obama a rank of 18 out of 44 US presidents (from best to worst). They gave George W. Bush a rank of 35 out of 44 US presidents.

In the Siena College Research Institute survey, Obama was ranked 15 out of 44. George W. Bush was ranked 39 out of 44.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
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While President Obama somehow makes #18 on the list, the underlying data tells a much bleaker story for the President.
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I believe that President Obama’s popularity numbers are artificially inflated by bias – from the media and from liberals – and that even though his numbers are pretty bad as things stand, they should actually be much worse. It’s my contention that President Obama is very likely among the 5 worst Presidents our nation has endured, and this survey from a liberal think tank only strengthens my belief in that assumption.
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eaglerising.com/15241/75-presidential-historians-scholars-call-obama-one-worst-overrated-presidents/
 
Thorolfr said:
And you think Donald Trump will do a better job at easing racial tensions?
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“I am the least racist person you’ll ever meet.” - Donald Trump to Wolf Blitzer (who meets quite a lot of people), March 2016.
 
meltzerboy said:
These must be liberal organizations and thus their rankings have no value. Only rankings from conservative organizations have value. Don’t you realize that?
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These surveys were done some time ago, before ObamaCare turned into a cluster and before his Middle East meddling fell far short of goals. In the long haul his failure on his big initiatives will drag down his ranking. Restoring relations with Cuba won’t carry much weight…
 
Thorolfr said:
From Eagle Rising, a website where I got a pop-up when I opened it that said, “Win A Free Glock”. That’s a website that I’m sure most people would consider reliable and unbiased. :rolleyes:
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Hmmm, coming from those who post such scholarly work as wiki-pedia? :rotfl:
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I’d rather have a single-payer health care system than the ACA, but I can live with the ACA if my premiums don’t go too high.

I am one who really likes Obama and I think people will wish he’s back in office again. I think you or MB said that some time back on this forum.
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Oh yes I would vote for him again for a 3rd term in a heartbeat over Donald Trump or anyone the GOP has offered us. He and his family have been a model First Family one which I will miss regardless of the family that moves in next Jan.

But I am all about single payer. I can live with the ACA though too if Hillary is able to expand upon the ACA and get deductibles and premiums down and indeed ensure everyone has access to affordable health care coverage. She wants to improve the ACA to get as she says from 90% coverage to 100%. But as Bernie often points out to her, many people who are covered now are still lacking due to high deductibles. Hopefully more can be done to improve the ACA under her watch. Personally if I were America, I’d just go to single payer like the rest of the industrialized world that guarantees all its citizens healthcare and be over it already.
 
Thorolfr said:
Everything’s Obama’s fault…bad race relations, the situation in Syria, Iran possibly getting a bomb. No one else in the world has any responsibility for these situations except Obama. :rolleyes:
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Of course race relations are Obama’s fault. It doesn’t take 2 to tango. Or wait a minute. It does. 🤷
 
Thorolfr said:
Everything’s Obama’s fault…bad race relations, the situation in Syria, Iran possibly getting a bomb. No one else in the world has any responsibility for these situations except Obama. :rolleyes:
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Your forgetting that nasty rain shower this morning. What was he thinking? Thanks, Obama!
 
Sy_Noe said:
Of course race relations are Obama’s fault. It doesn’t take 2 to tango. Or wait a minute. It does. 🤷
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Its not a matter of fault or the fact Obama likes to tango and is the only one in the dance for 8-years, the point is and has been, is what has he done to advance black - white relations and are they better or worse under his watch? So what part of all this is Obamas fault?
 
Sy_Noe said:
Oh yes I would vote for him again for a 3rd term in a heartbeat over Donald Trump or anyone the GOP has offered us. He and his family have been a model First Family one which I will miss regardless of the family that moves in next Jan.

But I am all about single payer. I can live with the ACA though too if Hillary is able to expand upon the ACA and get deductibles and premiums down and indeed ensure everyone has access to affordable health care coverage. She wants to improve the ACA to get as she says from 90% coverage to 100%. But as Bernie often points out to her, many people who are covered now are still lacking due to high deductibles. Hopefully more can be done to improve the ACA under her watch. Personally if I were America, I’d just go to single payer like the rest of the industrialized world that guarantees all its citizens healthcare and be over it already.
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I don’t think there is any chance Hillary Clinton is going to get 100% coverage under Obamacare. First of all, it isn’t 90% coverage now. The deductible isn’t all there is for the insured to pay. There is also a co-pay. The only people who get 100% coverage are a few who get fully subsidized in the exchange and those 17 million who got put into Medicaid.

Single payer will probably turn into what it is in other parts of the world; a two-tier system, one for those who can afford the best and “Medicaid with deductibles” for the rest.

But there are other differences. In France, for example, there is universal coverage if you are lawfully in the country, but not even ER care if you aren’t. You pay up front in full, then bill the government for reimbursement. Fully 1/3 of the population is “outside the system” and they get the best care.

You can’t simultaneously operate a generous welfare state and open borders and expect it to turn out well.

Obamacare is an income redistribution system in which one segment of the middle class is heavily burdened to subsidize another segment of the middle class. For the rich, it’s irrelevant. For the poor it’s also irrelevant because they get Medicaid. Now, maybe middle class Americans want to drop down to a cornbread living in order to pay for greatly increased redistribution plans. The left really wants that, but most people in the middle class don’t.

But Hillary has an advantage. In pushing for hundreds of billions more in government welfare, she’ll win a particular constituency among those who think they will be the winners in that redistribution of income. Whether the majority will recognize that they’re on the “paying end” of it remains to be seen.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Oh yes I would vote for him again for a 3rd term in a heartbeat over Donald Trump or anyone the GOP has offered us.
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As Gene Wilder once said, well of course, that goes without saying.

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The thing that actually surprises me is how many Dems say Trump is more electable than a conservative like Cruz.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Its not a matter of fault or the fact Obama likes to tango and is the only one in the dance for 8-years, the point is and has been, is what has he done to advance black - white relations and are they better or worse under his watch? So what part of all this is Obamas fault?
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Well America elected a black man President and reelected him so that’s certainly an improvement in regards to race in America from a bygone era. But he couldn’t advance much more than that unless those troubled by his presence weren’t so troubled by him to begin with and weren’t so bent on opposing him at every move from the very night of his first inauguration as he and our wonderful First Lady danced on the ballroom floors. It’s not his fault that once he was elected, so many had such disdain for him from day one. And have continued to have towards him to this very day. He wasn’t the first Democratic President ever elected and won’t be the last. Yet something about just this Democratic President brought forth something from people. Bernie Sanders is far more liberal than Obama and there are people on CAF who oppose Obama who are rooting for Sanders to be the Democratic nominee. So their disdain for Obama can’t because they perceive Obama as a liberal. I see people opposing Bernie Sanders on policy. But I don’t see him being crucified in the manner Obama is. 🤷
 
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