Donald Trump attacks Hillary Clinton as wins set stage for brutal election

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Exiled_Child said:
I think that, percentage wise, this go 'round’s going to have either the highest voter turnout in U.S. history, or the lowest.

I can’t tell which direction it’s going to go, but I predict it’ll be one or the other.
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Were voting mandatory,do you think people would get more involved in general with their candidate choices? Just asking out of curiosity,I really have no idea
 
Do you ever stray outside the US to listen to what your Allies think ? Right now if Trump and Clinton are the best you can find in a nation of millions then God indeed will need to save the USA.
 
graciew said:
Were voting mandatory,do you think people would get more involved in general with their candidate choices? Just asking out of curiosity,I really have no idea
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It’s a good question, but I just don’t know.🤷 Plus, I don’t exactly have a high regard for American’s intelligence when it comes to politics.

To put it mildly.
 
Exiled_Child said:
It’s a good question, but I just don’t know.🤷 Plus, I don’t exactly have a high regard for American’s intelligence when it comes to politics.

To put it mildly.
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Thank you. It 's all right.
I was just wondering.
Thanks again.
 
graciew said:
Thank you. It 's all right.
I was just wondering.
Thanks again.
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Oh hey, I’m curious. Is voting mandatory where you live?

Because I just can’t really fathom how that would work here. It’s hard for me to even conceptualize, actually.

I think Americans are seriously demoralized by the two choices they’ve been presented with.

And the truth is, we don’t actually have any control over any of this; it’s mainly just an illusion.

Two rich and powerful people managed to become the candidates, and we only have the two of them to choose from.

The mood here in the U.S. is fairly grim, by and large.
 
Exiled_Child said:
Oh hey, I’m curious. Is voting mandatory where you live?

I think Americans are seriously demoralized by the two choices they’ve been presented with.

The truth is, we don’t actually have any control over any of this; it’s mainly just an illusion.

Two rich and powerful people managed to become the candidates, and we only have the two of them to choose from.

The mood here in the U.S. is fairly grim, by and large.
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Yes,it is mandatory,but it is like we like to vote. ,to participate, I mean.
Whether everybody voting makes it right,I do not know,but whatever we have to learn, we learn together. And we are used to getting involved this way.

There are still several months to go for you…take it one day at a time!
Thank you Exiled Child!
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I think he did. Cruz said:

I don’t see how anyone, Catholic or even atheist, can vote for Trump with a clear conscience. I used to have admiration for him for bringing to light the problems caused by Washington insiders, but that has evaporated in his “off the rails” comments against Cruz, who is too extreme for me, but is, at least a decent husband, father, and man.
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One of my good friends absolutely … absolutely … did not want Bill Clinton to get elected to President.

Sooo … my good friend voted for a third party candidate … and guess what … he got Bill Clinton as President.
 
Exiled_Child said:
It’s a good question, but I just don’t know.🤷 Plus, I don’t exactly have a high regard for American’s intelligence when it comes to politics…
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Who would say such a thing about the electorate that elected and reelected Barrack Obama?
 
Exiled_Child said:
I think Americans are seriously demoralized by the two choices they’ve been presented with.

And the truth is, we don’t actually have any control over any of this; it’s mainly just an illusion.
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A quote I read yesterday: “They talk about delegates. And I’m hundreds of delegates ahead but the system is rigged, folks. It’s a rigged, disgusting dirty system. It’s a dirty system and only a nonpolitician would say it.” Now guess who said that. :coffeeread:
 
Darryl1958 said:
The NYT was for John McCain until they weren’t.

If and when the press start pressing these kinds of things, Trump will get belligerent and hostile and make it personal, making comments of the sort that the reporter is ugly, or PMSing.
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But you see my point: thus far (i.e. during the GOP primary season) Trump didn’t even need to do anything like that, apparently. He just said “I don’t want to talk about” birtherism, and then the press didn’t press.
 
Arizona_Mike said:
You spoke too soon. The #DropOutHillary twitter campaign (largely driven by Sanders supporters) is the fastest trending hashtag today:
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Well, the timing makes sense: after all the talk yesterday about drop-outs, it’s a good time to capitalize (no offense to the socialists).

Anyhow, you gotta love it, right? Clinton has about 55% of the Dem votes and is being asked to drop out for an (if possible) even more liberal Dem … Trump has about 40% of the Repub votes and his opponents have now dropped out.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I agree.

The sun may be setting on mandated political correctness; we went through this with the Clinton administration as I recall - nowhere near as bad as now though. Under Bush it was undermined quite a bit. There could be a similar cultural shift underway that the Trumpsters stumbled onto that the rest of us were too subdued, scared, and well-informed to see coming (think Pavlov’s dogs; we were afraid to dream it could happen).

It will all boil down to the electoral college though in the end. Can Trump flip enough states without losing an equal or more number of them to Clinton.

Trump needs bolded:

Ohio
Michigan
Pennsylvania
Wisconsin
Iowa
Indiana
Illinois

Florida would be nice

Clinton might get Hispanic vote:

New Mexico
Arizona
Nevada
Georgia (conservatives don’t vote; minority vote wins it)

When you look at the Romney/Obama electoral college results, it is very sobering how little room for error there is here for Trump. I don’t know if Trump will have the smooth sailing with his political incorrectness in the general that he enjoyed in the primaries - but he does have one thing Clinton doesn’t. Momentum. Clinton has to be negative, 24/7. And she is already perceived as negative and cold. My gut says Trump takes it. But we are in for one rocky ride, and some very dark spots along the way. Trump will screw up more than once. But again I think he takes it - he is out there now saying he will raise the minimum wage - pushing hard for Bernie folks.
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Some food for thought on the battleground states Trump must win: they’re not insurmountable. Bear in mind, too, that Trump generally does better in the election booth than he does in polls - people are apparently uncomfortable telling pollsters on the phone that they support Trump.

Arizona has a very politically conservative culture. It’s changed over the year with the influx of Easterners with their leftwing ways and their grass lawns, but Trump has a respectable chance. Hillary currently leads by 3.5% in polls, but that was before Trump’s rival Republicans dropped out - He was fighting a 3-front war, Hillary only had to contend against 1 opponent.

N. Carolina: Clinton leads by just 2% points. Obama’s DOJ over-reaching on the Transexual bathroom issue is going to hurt her. Obama won the state in 2008, largely on the base of black support for him, but still managed to lose it in 2012. Large military and retired military population trends strongly pro-Trump there and is politically active.

Florida: Has gone Republican half the time, Democrat half the time in the last 6 presidential election. Older population base tends to skew pro-Hillary among women, possibly pro-Trump among men. Trump has said he is not going to go after entitlements, which will help. Clinton currently leads by only 2.2 points. Large Hispanic population, but largely Cuban ancestry who don’t share always side with the Mexican-American population. If Trump were to bring in Rubio as VP (which is probably doubtful), could help.

Ohio: Clinton enjoys only a 3.5 point lead. Trump lost the primary to home-town favorite Kasich, who has said he is not interested in a VP slot but could change his mind. Trump could likely be a major recipient of the rust-belt vote here, as in Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania: In the hinterlands, Hillary is likely to lose based on her statement that she wants to put coal-miners out of jobs, but will do better in the cities. Trump did very well in the primary here. Hillary enjoys a comfortable lead here, the best of all the battleground states, at 7.8.
 
Arizona_Mike said:
Some food for thought on the battleground states Trump must win: they’re not insurmountable. Bear in mind, too, that Trump generally does better in the election booth than he does in polls - people are apparently uncomfortable telling pollsters on the phone that they support Trump.

Arizona has a very politically conservative culture. It’s changed over the year with the influx of Easterners with their leftwing ways and their grass lawns, but Trump has a respectable chance. Hillary currently leads by 3.5% in polls, but that was before Trump’s rival Republicans dropped out - He was fighting a 3-front war, Hillary only had to contend against 1 opponent.

N. Carolina: Clinton leads by just 2% points. Obama’s DOJ over-reaching on the Transexual bathroom issue is going to hurt her. Obama won the state in 2008, largely on the base of black support for him, but still managed to lose it in 2012. Large military and retired military population trends strongly pro-Trump there and is politically active.

Florida: Has gone Republican half the time, Democrat half the time in the last 6 presidential election. Older population base tends to skew pro-Hillary among women, possibly pro-Trump among men. Trump has said he is not going to go after entitlements, which will help. Clinton currently leads by only 2.2 points. Large Hispanic population, but largely Cuban ancestry who don’t share always side with the Mexican-American population. If Trump were to bring in Rubio as VP (which is probably doubtful), could help.

Ohio: Clinton enjoys only a 3.5 point lead. Trump lost the primary to home-town favorite Kasich, who has said he is not interested in a VP slot but could change his mind. Trump could likely be a major recipient of the rust-belt vote here, as in Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania: In the hinterlands, Hillary is likely to lose based on her statement that she wants to put coal-miners out of jobs, but will do better in the cities. Trump did very well in the primary here. Hillary enjoys a comfortable lead here, the best of all the battleground states, at 7.8.
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Yes, I think if the election were held tomorrow, Trump would win. (and I refuse to rule out a Trump landslide in the fall…) Now, since the election is being held in November, who knows. I still think Trump. There is a negativity and staleness about the Democratic brand and ideas that Clinton epitomizes in the worst way possible, and if she, God forbid, moves to the center economically or socially she loses over half her support. Last night someone called her the Dem’s Nixon. That is a bit harsh, but in essence, true. I think it is important to stay humble though and not be too confident that we know what will happen - I for one have been wrong all along. It will be a battle.
 
I’m seeing some very hopeful posts regarding a Trump victory. I believe folks are being delusional but still very hopeful!
 
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