Donald Trump Becomes First U.S. President to Speak at March for Life

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I’ve typed a response to this at least a dozen times in the last year. Mr Trump changed his view over the past years, he was solidly pro abortion for all of his life and even at the beginning of the 2016 campaign.

The pro-life talk Mr Trump has done is partial, leaving room for at least 52,000 direct abortions per year. He is for abortions when the father is a criminal or when the health/welfare of the mother/child is in question. According to Guttmacher and the CDC, based on 2016 reporting numbers, this is still a very significant number of abortions.

Mr Trump has not done anything to stop the commercial creation of human beings through IVF (and we nave no numbers how many millions of lives are held in cold storage facilities).

He just this week spoke words that belittled the people and families dealing with the real devastation that is Traumatic Brain Injury. The lack of compassion breaks my heart.

If you or others choose to vote for Mr Trump, that is your freedom as a US Citizen.

I also have the freedom to stand up for people whom I find to be more suitable in this office.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Mr Trump changed his view over the past years,he was solidly pro abortion for all of his life
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That is a good thing!
TheLittleLady said:
and even at the beginning of the 2016 campaign.
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When he took on some prominent Catholics as advisers. Abby Johnson is a good example of someone who changed her mind after educating herself about the truth of abortion.

I think we can at least acknowledge that Trump has actually supported the pro-life cause, even if it’s not enough for you.
 
One cannot be “a little pregnant” nor can one be “a little pro-life”, Pro-life is a binary state.
 
As I am one of those people who had a 90% chance of being aborted under the “exceptions clauses”, yeah, all or nothing.
 
In that case, I would think that at least limiting abortions is a good thing as opposed to abortion for any reason up to birth.
 
As I said, the limits allow me and everyone like me to be aborted. Sorry, I cannot get behind that idea, that I am so unfit to live because of my severe genetic abnormality that they leave that loophole in the law.
 
What about children with no genetic abnormalities who are at risk under current law?

I believe all people have a right to life, no matter their prognoses.
 
Actually the EsteemedArchbishop Chaput said just the opposite. Small steps toward eradicating abortion is more effective than trying to eliminate it in its entirety in one fell swoop.
 
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This is why we work to change the world, to change hearts and minds, to make it where no pregnancy is a crisis because women know they will be safe and supported and loved.

Think about smoking. When I was a teen, restaurants had smoking sections, there were offices that allowed smoking, every bar allowed smoking, earlier than that one could smoke on a plane or in a theater.

Now, smoking is condemned by society. Smokers are scorned. I’d imagine that before I did, cigarette smoking will be so rare as to be extinct.

The American attitude changed regarding smoking, there is no reason that we cannot change hearts and minds about pro life for whole life the same way.
 
The Bishop is free to have a different opinion.

Pro Life for Whole Life is all I can get behind.
 
TheLittleLady said:
This is why we work to change the world, to change hearts and minds, to make it where no pregnancy is a crisis because women know they will be safe and supported and loved.

Think about smoking. When I was a teen, restaurants had smoking sections, there were offices that allowed smoking, every bar allowed smoking, earlier than that one could smoke on a plane or in a theater.

Now, smoking is condemned by society. Smokers are scorned. I’d imagine that before I did, cigarette smoking will be so rare as to be extinct.

The American attitude changed regarding smoking, there is no reason that we cannot change hearts and minds about pro life for whole life the same way.
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Agree. 👍 But they are not mutually exclusive. You start with baby steps.

Your example of smoking is a great example of incrementalism at work. First there were warnings put on the packs, then came smoking and nonsmoking sections, now there are outright bans on smoking in stadiums and some restaurants and bars.
 
Thanks.

There was an interview with Chris Matthews where candidate trump said that women would need to go to those illegal places.

That’s why I didn’t vote for him.

I want women to chose life. Not an illegal place.
 
Yet, smoking is still legal. One can still buy cigarettes and consume them. You are going to get many side eyes for smoking, but, you are free to do it if you choose.

That is where the analogy breaks down.
 
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Yet, smoking is still legal. One can still buy cigarettes and consume them. You are going to get many side eyes for smoking, but, you are free to do it if you choose.

That is where the analogy breaks down.
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Every life saved from anti-smoking laws is still a life saved.
 
Perfection is the enemy of the good.RR repeated this very salient phrase throughout the last campaign.
 
The late President Reagan’s quotes are interesting, they are not morally binding. In fact, the Church teaches the opposite, we are told to “be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect”. Perfection is our goal.

The Church does not allow for any direct abortions. She teaches that one may never do evil so that good may result.
 
I understand.We all wish abortion and everything disordered and sinful that stems from it would just go away. All this evil didn’t happen overnight and it’s not going to go away overnight either.Any positive steps are a move in the right direction
 
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Any positive steps are a move in the right direction
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These are positive steps alright. Very positive steps.

I’ll be buying more into the “concern”
when I hear more of the “concerned”
express “concern”
over the Democrat cheerleading regarding wanton abortion.

Until then I’m not buying into it at least on a national level.
 
You’re imagining things.😁 You’d be welcome.
In fact I think you’d be more welcome at a pro-life march than at some political meetings if people knew your pro-life views.

If you have (say) the stereotype of MOST pro-lifers as phonies and hypocrites e.g., you could have that impression challenged by going to a march for life … and meeting a lot of wonderful people sacrificing hours of free time on a weekend to walk long hours for justice, love and high ideals for our country and their states.

I went to the West Coast Walk for Life two years ago in San Francisco. Although it was largely ignored by the media - it was huge.

Mass at a downtown Cathedral presided over by a Bishop, a bus ride to City Hall, many speakers standing up for life
… and the LOOONG walk through the main streets of town.

I DID, I confess, enjoy the moment when some from “the other side” yelled at us calling us racist … and a moment later the LARGE group in a Hispanic band and chorus behind us struck up their drums and trumpets with joyful pro-vida cantas en Espanol!

Per calling pro-lifers “one-issue” voters: Abortion is also racist, even if the abortions approved come from ALL
races.

There’s a place for all pro-lifers at the marches, and a place for you.

😯 or I’d be VERY surprised.

🎼🎵🎶
To LIFE, To LIFE,
L’chaim …
L’chaim, L’chaim
to LIFE! :couplekiss_man_woman:👼
 
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