Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S

[QuidVeritasEst]

Respect for the Paris terror victims and European safety taking precedence? We can’t have that now can we??? I might be sarcastic btw

It’s hardly “respect” to abuse their deaths to justify banning adherents to an entire religion, including desperate refugees, from entry into a country, and to enforce a nazi-style logbook of every Muslim already in said country. What exactly would be the apropriate way to show respect, as well, and what would you have the media do? Cry ad infinium live on air for a couple of weeks?

 

[Path_Finder]

It’s hardly “respect” to abuse their deaths to justify banning adherents to an entire religion, including desperate refugees, from entry into a country, and to enforce a nazi-style logbook of every Muslim already in said country. What exactly would be the apropriate way to show respect, as well, and what would you have the media do? Cry ad infinium live on air for a couple of weeks?

Okay, so one is calling for no vetting at all or call others nasty names; don’t expect all people to agree with this.

Really, those who are so critical and should people get hurt because of such irresponsibility are the abusive ones and are somewhat accessories to such violence.

I take it, that since Christians are not being allowed in, you would describe those not allowing them in as using the “Nazi-logbook” as well.

 

[Path_Finder]

As said, Christians are not being let in or barely let in so again, we are faced with a huge contradiction, okay to allow Muslims in but not Christians. Now, who does such inflammatory language belong to?

 

[Path_Finder]

Oh dear, properly vetting is a reason to be called prejudice but CNN:

**CNN’s Ashleigh Banfield Compares ISIS to Jews **
charismanews.com/opinion/53814-cnn-s-ashleigh-banfield-compares-isis-to-jews

 

[St_Francis]

So the idea of checking people’s social media postings has been considered already, but nixed because *it might be seen to violate the privacy of people wanting to live here to check the posts they have made on the internet for all the world to see. *

From the article:
Cohen said officials from United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) both pressed for a change in policy.

“Immigration, security, law enforcement officials recognized at the time that it was important to more extensively review public social media postings because they offered potential insights into whether somebody was an extremist or potentially connected to a terrorist organization or a supporter of the movement,” said Cohen, who left DHS in June 2014…

primarily a question of optics," said Cohen. “There were concerns from a privacy and civil liberties perspective that while this was not illegal, that it would be viewed negatively if it was disclosed publicly.”

They went on to say that Malik’s postings may not have been found because she used a pseudonym, but they seem to have been found pretty quickly by journalists after she helped kill 14 people…

Words fail me…

 

[QuidVeritasEst]

Okay, so one is calling for no vetting at all or call others nasty names; don’t expect all people to agree with this.

Really, those who are so critical and should people get hurt because of such irresponsibility are the abusive ones and are somewhat accessories to such violence.

I take it, that since Christians are not being allowed in, you would describe those not allowing them in as using the “Nazi-logbook” as well.

Exactly what means are you going to use to “vet” these people? This will devolve quickly into racial segregation - I see no evidence that calls for moratoriums on Muslims entering the US are anything more than the words of people espousing thinly veiled xenophobia.

 

[Brendan_64]

Exactly what means are you going to use to “vet” these people? This will devolve quickly into racial segregation

And meanwhile you will get white Islamic terrorists of European, Canadian, Australian etc. nationality happily entering and passing unhindered through passport control, who will be busy detaining completely innocent people brown skin complexions who carry passports from Arab or North African countries.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I can only surmise what Donald Trump’s motivations may be for saying what he does. I think either he believes that appealing to the fear, anger, and hatred of his base and perhaps other voters who are hesitant to express out loud what he expresses but nonetheless privately agree with him, will be enough for him to become the G.O.P. nominee and win the general election. Or…exactly the reverse: that is, he may believe that by continuing to make such outlandish statements, the mainstream establishment will bar his G.O.P. candidacy and Republican voters will finally decide that he has gone beyond the pale. That way he can run for President as an Independent, and if he loses as such, which he probably will, he can declare that he put up a good fight and the G.O.P. establishment is the one to blame for his loss by throwing him overboard and, as a result, also losing the general election to Hillary Clinton. He himself can tolerate defeat as an Independent better than as a Republican, particularly when becoming an Independent was not his first choice. This is just speculation on my part since I have no way of getting into Trump’s head, and I am not sure I would want to if I could.

Hard to know for sure. Trump isn’t a stupid man. For one thing, he’s getting a lot of free publicity out of these statements, millions of dollars’ worth. And one wonders how well anybody will remember exactly what he said months from now. And too, it might be that he has watched the other contenders stumble over themselves trying to be so precisely nuanced that they can’t well be taken out of context by the liberal media, and figured it’s better to simply say things in the most simple way possible knowing he can add nuance later if he needs to.

After all, Hillary Clinton is going to do the very same thing in other ways, and has already done so. People think she’s going to “make higher education free”, just as many thought Obama was going to make medical coverage “free”. None of them really mean it the way they make it sound, but seemingly a lot of people take those statements in the most simple way possible.

Trump might not be as nutty as a lot of people think he is.

 

[Confiteor_Deo]

‘Mohammedans’. Was especially chosen for its inaccuracy

Mohammedans is not an inaccurate title for the followers of Mohammed.

 

[Path_Finder]

Mohammedans is not an inaccurate title for the followers of Mohammed.

That’s the term Thomas Jefferson used and others back in the day. One still hears it from time to time. I don’t believe it is inaccurate as well.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Mohammedans is not an inaccurate title for the followers of Mohammed.

People call members of the LDS church “Mormons”, though that isn’t the name they use for themselves. It’s an old term, meant to be descriptive of those who believe in the Book of Mormon. “Mormon” is a personality in the book.

 

[Darryl_Revok]

That’s the term Thomas Jefferson used and others back in the day. One still hears it from time to time. I don’t believe it is inaccurate as well.

Do you still use the terms “negro” or “colored”?

 

[DeusExMachina]

Exactly what means are you going to use to “vet” these people? This will devolve quickly into racial segregation - I see no evidence that calls for moratoriums on Muslims entering the US are anything more than the words of people espousing thinly veiled xenophobia.

Im afraid to a certain extent it already has

 

[pnewton]

This is what Trump is proposing. Lets TEMPORARILY suspend entry UNTIL we can get a handle on this problem of radicalized muslims entering our country with the intent of waging jihad on innocent American citizens.

That is his idea. However, he has no definition on what constitutes a handle, or how long such a delay is needed. The truth is, if there is any idea that can improve security, it usually does not need time to implement. The DHS has been implementing changes to airline screening as a thread becomes known. Such screening changes occur to everyone, not just to those of a selected race, religion or creed.

Donald Trump has proposed and* indefinite *suspension of entry into the United States by some based on their professed or perceived religious affiliation. I say “indefinite” because he has given not time parameter, or specific goal. That is “indefinite” by definition of the word. The word “until” is dangerous, as any student of history can tell you. Temporary inconveniences have a way of becoming entrenched injustices.

 

[philipl]

There are a couple of motivations:

1. Trump’s base of support is, shall we say, not overly concerned with the practicalities or logic of his statement. They want Muslims banned now, dammit! The impossibility of doing so is irrelevant in the face of their paranoia. A Mencken quote is especially germane to this situation: “No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”
2. Making outrageous statements keeps Trump in the forefront of the media coverage; in a closely contested primary such as this, free publicity is worth its weight in gold. It effectively chokes off the competition, whilst getting his ideas widely and freely distributed. The viability of his statements are irrelevant; as long as the focus is on Trump, then who cares if his plans are practicable or not?

So anyone that votes for Trump has a low IQ’S? This country before 1964 banned all types of people from entering this country. We need to do so again. Let go back to the immigration laws on the book in 1963.

 

[pnewton]

So anyone that votes for Trump has a low IQ’S? This country before 1964 banned all types of people from entering this country. We need to do so again. Let go back to the immigration laws on the book in 1963.

In 1942 we incarcerated Americans with Japanese ancestry. Just because something has happened in the past does not necessarily make it moral.

I do not believe in combating the uncivilized by abandoning our civility, or the inhumane by suspending our humanity.

 

[2Rollin_Stoned]

Mohammedans is not an inaccurate title for the followers of Mohammed.

That’s bunk. They are Muslims. Your use is pejorative.

Would you appreciate it is someone called us Romanists…or papists? Then , as Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ tells us, “Do to others as you would have them do to you.” (Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12)

In 1942 we incarcerated Americans with Japanese ancestry. Just because something has happened in the past does not necessarily make it moral.

I do not believe in combating the uncivilized by abandoning our civility, or the inhumane by suspending our humanity.

Brava! A simple and insightful response. Well done PN! Well done!

So anyone that votes for Trump has a low IQ’S? This country before 1964 banned all types of people from entering this country. We need to do so again. Let go back to the immigration laws on the book in 1963.

Okay, let’s go back to all the laws from that time if it was so great. Oh wait…it wasn’t…any more than that law was.

 

[Path_Finder]

In 1942 we incarcerated Americans with Japanese ancestry. Just because something has happened in the past does not necessarily make it moral.

I do not believe in combating the uncivilized by abandoning our civility, or the inhumane by suspending our humanity.

I wasn’t aware there were plans to incarcerate people, what we do know is we are stabbing the Christians over there in the back and sending them back. That is the bigotry I would be wary of. Anyone on their high horse should acknowledge this.

**No room in America for Christian refugees
**
America is about to accept 9000 Syrian Muslims, refugees of the brutal war between the Assad regime and its Sunni opposition, which includes ISIS, Al Qaeda, and various other militias. That number is predicted to increase each year. There are no Christian refugees that will be admitted.

thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/228670-no-room-in-america-for-christian-refugees

Looks like the savagery belongs with the Obama administration.

 

[Path_Finder]

Hard to know for sure. Trump isn’t a stupid man. For one thing, he’s getting a lot of free publicity out of these statements, millions of dollars’ worth. And one wonders how well anybody will remember exactly what he said months from now. And too, it might be that he has watched the other contenders stumble over themselves trying to be so precisely nuanced that they can’t well be taken out of context by the liberal media, and figured it’s better to simply say things in the most simple way possible knowing he can add nuance later if he needs to.

After all, Hillary Clinton is going to do the very same thing in other ways, and has already done so. People think she’s going to “make higher education free”, just as many thought Obama was going to make medical coverage “free”. None of them really mean it the way they make it sound, but seemingly a lot of people take those statements in the most simple way possible.

Trump might not be as nutty as a lot of people think he is.

And we are sending Christians back, shameful.

 

[Path_Finder]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammedan

Mohammedans was in common usage until the mid-'60s; I’d say assuming one is using it as a pejorative is not an easy call to make.

Nowadays, we call Hispanics, Hispanics generally but one can hear the word Latino still.

NAACP, National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, though “colored people” has fallen out of favor as a term to use, it may well not be an offensive term to say such. If it was, the NAACP would surely change their name.

Some criticisms are really political correctness and the thought police run amok.