meltzerboy
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This story sounds like a Twilight Zone episode I remember called “The Monsters are due on Maple Street.” Mass hysteria coupled with prejudiced attitudes can, unfortunately, have all too real-life effects.
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GaryTaylor
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Least social media is now under review.
townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2015/12/14/insane-us-doesnt-routinely-review-social-media-to-vet-immigrants-n2093249
townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2015/12/14/insane-us-doesnt-routinely-review-social-media-to-vet-immigrants-n2093249
Muslim Brotherhood “secret policy”???
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stevegravy
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Ya, and it was fear of being tagged as a profiler, that kept the Muslim Bonney and Clyde from being reported. Like the Obama administration, you see something ….shut up. What did the kid thing would be peoples response walking around in a body bag?
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Here are some more immigrants linked to terrorism. Making Trumps point. Guess what else they all have in common?
-A refugee from Uzbekistan was convicted of providing material support and money to a designated foreign terrorist organization. According to the Department of Justice, he also procured bomb-making materials in the interest of perpetrating a terrorist attack on American soil. (August 2015)
-An immigrant from Albania, who applied for and received Lawful Permanent Resident status, was sentenced to 16 years in prison for giving over $1,000 to terrorist organizations in Afghanistan, and for attempting to join a radical jihadist insurgent group in Pakistan. (August 2015)
-A second immigrant from India, who is married to a U.S. citizen, and who is the brother of the individual listed above, was also indicted on charges of conspiring to provide thousands of dollars to al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) in order to assist them in their global jihad, and on one count of conspiracy to commit bank fraud. (November 2015)
-An immigrant from Pakistan, who entered the United States on a fiancé visa, and subsequently became a Lawful Permanent Resident, along with her husband, killed 14 people at a Christmas party, and wounded two dozen, in the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil since September 11, 2001. (December 2015)
-The son of Pakistani immigrants, along with his Pakistan bride, murdered 14 coworkers, and wounded two dozen, in that same terrorist attack. His Pakistani-born father has since been placed on the no-fly list.
-An immigrant from Syria, who applied for and received Lawful Permanent Resident status, and then subsequently applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was charged with smuggling night-vision goggles and rifle scopes from America to a Syrian rebel group that fights alongside and allies itself with an al-Qaeda affiliate. (December 2015)
-A Somali-American was arrested after encouraging several friends to leave the United States and join ISIS, and giving one individual over $200 for their passport application. (December 2015)
-An immigrant from Bangladesh, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, tried to incite people to travel to Somalia and conduct violent jihad against the United States. (June 2014)
-An immigrant from Ghana, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, pledged allegiance to ISIS and plotted a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. (June 2015)
-An immigrant from Sudan, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, tried to join ISIS and wage jihad on its behalf after having been recruited online. (June 2015)
-A Bosnian refugee, along with his wife and five others, donated money and supplies, and smuggled arms, to terrorist organizations in Syria and Iraq. (February 2015)
-An immigrant from Yemen, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, along with six other men, was charged with conspiracy to travel to Syria and to provide material support to ISIS. (April 2015)
-A Somali immigrant with lawful permanent resident status, along with four other Somali nationals, is charged with leading an al-Shabaab fundraising conspiracy in the United States, with monthly payments directed to the Somali terrorist organization. (July 2014)
– A Kazakhstani immigrant with lawful permanent resident status conspired to purchase a machine gun to shoot FBI and other law enforcement agents if they prevented him from traveling to Syria to join ISIS. (February 2015)
-An immigrant from Saudi Arabia, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, swore allegiance to ISIS and pledged to explode a propane tank bomb on U.S. soil. (April 2015)
-A Uzbek man in Brooklyn encouraged other Uzbeki nationals to wage jihad on behalf of ISIS, and raised $1,600 for the terror organization. (April 2015)
-The Boston Bombers were granted political asylum and were thus deemed legitimate refugees. The younger brother applied for citizenship and was naturalized on September 11th, 2012. The older brother had a pending application for citizenship. (April 2013)
-A Moroccan national who came to the U.S. on a student visa was arrested for plotting to blow up a university and a federal court house. (April 2014)
– Numerous of Minnesota’s Somali-American refugee community have recently been charged with trying to join ISIS. The Washington Times reported that “the effort [to resettle large groups of Somali refugees in Minnesota] is having the unintended consequence of creating an enclave of immigrants with high unemployment that is both stressing the state’s safety net and creating a rich pool of potential recruiting targets for Islamist terror groups.” (February 2015)
-An Uzbek refugee living in Idaho was arrested and charged with providing support to a terrorist organization, in the form of teaching terror recruits how to build bombs. (July 2015)
-An American citizen whose family is from Syria was sentenced for plotting to support ISIS and rob a gun store to kill members of the American military. (April 2015)An immigrant from Syria, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was accused by federal prosecutors of planning to “go to a military base in Texas and kill three or four American soldiers execution style.” (April 2015)
-A college student who immigrated from Somalia, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, attempted to blow up a Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Oregon. (October 2014)
-An immigrant from Afghanistan, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, and a legal permanent resident from the Philippines, were convicted for “join Al Qaeda and the Taliban in order to kill Americans.” (September 2014)
-A refugee from Uzbekistan was convicted of providing material support and money to a designated foreign terrorist organization. According to the Department of Justice, he also procured bomb-making materials in the interest of perpetrating a terrorist attack on American soil. (August 2015)
-An immigrant from Albania, who applied for and received Lawful Permanent Resident status, was sentenced to 16 years in prison for giving over $1,000 to terrorist organizations in Afghanistan, and for attempting to join a radical jihadist insurgent group in Pakistan. (August 2015)
-A second immigrant from India, who is married to a U.S. citizen, and who is the brother of the individual listed above, was also indicted on charges of conspiring to provide thousands of dollars to al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) in order to assist them in their global jihad, and on one count of conspiracy to commit bank fraud. (November 2015)
-An immigrant from Pakistan, who entered the United States on a fiancé visa, and subsequently became a Lawful Permanent Resident, along with her husband, killed 14 people at a Christmas party, and wounded two dozen, in the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil since September 11, 2001. (December 2015)
-The son of Pakistani immigrants, along with his Pakistan bride, murdered 14 coworkers, and wounded two dozen, in that same terrorist attack. His Pakistani-born father has since been placed on the no-fly list.
-An immigrant from Syria, who applied for and received Lawful Permanent Resident status, and then subsequently applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was charged with smuggling night-vision goggles and rifle scopes from America to a Syrian rebel group that fights alongside and allies itself with an al-Qaeda affiliate. (December 2015)
-A Somali-American was arrested after encouraging several friends to leave the United States and join ISIS, and giving one individual over $200 for their passport application. (December 2015)
-An immigrant from Bangladesh, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, tried to incite people to travel to Somalia and conduct violent jihad against the United States. (June 2014)
-An immigrant from Ghana, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, pledged allegiance to ISIS and plotted a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. (June 2015)
-An immigrant from Sudan, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, tried to join ISIS and wage jihad on its behalf after having been recruited online. (June 2015)
-A Bosnian refugee, along with his wife and five others, donated money and supplies, and smuggled arms, to terrorist organizations in Syria and Iraq. (February 2015)
-An immigrant from Yemen, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, along with six other men, was charged with conspiracy to travel to Syria and to provide material support to ISIS. (April 2015)
-A Somali immigrant with lawful permanent resident status, along with four other Somali nationals, is charged with leading an al-Shabaab fundraising conspiracy in the United States, with monthly payments directed to the Somali terrorist organization. (July 2014)
– A Kazakhstani immigrant with lawful permanent resident status conspired to purchase a machine gun to shoot FBI and other law enforcement agents if they prevented him from traveling to Syria to join ISIS. (February 2015)
-An immigrant from Saudi Arabia, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, swore allegiance to ISIS and pledged to explode a propane tank bomb on U.S. soil. (April 2015)
-A Uzbek man in Brooklyn encouraged other Uzbeki nationals to wage jihad on behalf of ISIS, and raised $1,600 for the terror organization. (April 2015)
-The Boston Bombers were granted political asylum and were thus deemed legitimate refugees. The younger brother applied for citizenship and was naturalized on September 11th, 2012. The older brother had a pending application for citizenship. (April 2013)
-A Moroccan national who came to the U.S. on a student visa was arrested for plotting to blow up a university and a federal court house. (April 2014)
– Numerous of Minnesota’s Somali-American refugee community have recently been charged with trying to join ISIS. The Washington Times reported that “the effort [to resettle large groups of Somali refugees in Minnesota] is having the unintended consequence of creating an enclave of immigrants with high unemployment that is both stressing the state’s safety net and creating a rich pool of potential recruiting targets for Islamist terror groups.” (February 2015)
-An Uzbek refugee living in Idaho was arrested and charged with providing support to a terrorist organization, in the form of teaching terror recruits how to build bombs. (July 2015)
-An American citizen whose family is from Syria was sentenced for plotting to support ISIS and rob a gun store to kill members of the American military. (April 2015)An immigrant from Syria, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was accused by federal prosecutors of planning to “go to a military base in Texas and kill three or four American soldiers execution style.” (April 2015)
-A college student who immigrated from Somalia, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, attempted to blow up a Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Oregon. (October 2014)
-An immigrant from Afghanistan, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, and a legal permanent resident from the Philippines, were convicted for “join Al Qaeda and the Taliban in order to kill Americans.” (September 2014)
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stevegravy
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Yes I do.
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Path_Finder
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So now the, some, refugees have been admitted to the USA, UK, Norway.
Jolly curious which nations are absent from the list.
And the ones allowing permanent residency.
It does appear there is a 2 year monitoring period, so that is something.
I heard of one household that is accepting 43 refugees in Toronto: blogs.cfr.org/campbell/2015/12/16/massacre-of-shia-in-northern-nigeria-an-opening-for-iran/
Jolly curious which nations are absent from the list.
And the ones allowing permanent residency.
It does appear there is a 2 year monitoring period, so that is something.
I heard of one household that is accepting 43 refugees in Toronto: blogs.cfr.org/campbell/2015/12/16/massacre-of-shia-in-northern-nigeria-an-opening-for-iran/
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Path_Finder
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There is a Catholic Sudanese Refugee family at our Church, I’ve never talked to them about how things were over there but I’m sure, pretty bad. I’ve also read some of the “Lost Boys” books about refugees from there.
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Path_Finder
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Yes, perhaps these are the Christian values or even humane values that one should look at.
What countries feed the hungry, shelter the homeless and so on.
It’s curious that some countries may not do this to a great extent.
What countries feed the hungry, shelter the homeless and so on.
It’s curious that some countries may not do this to a great extent.
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Path_Finder
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Perhaps the World Giving Index could help:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Giving_Index
Yes, perhaps my bluff got called, who is missing from the top 10? I hope no one thought I was trying to slight the Norweigans at #15.
Sri Lanka I’m rather sure, is a country where Buddhism is the most practiced faith.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Giving_Index
But questioning one’s charitableness in fact, does not seem charitable to me. However, I do think these stats nonetheless, reflect Christian values in some instances, 6 of the top 10 are English speaking nations, there are Christian populations in most of these nations. Myanmar is a largely Buddhist nation I believe, I’m not sure if they have been in that position long-term but certainly have for some recent years. Malaysia is Muslim as well but it definitely has a large Buddhist population as well.
Yes, perhaps my bluff got called, who is missing from the top 10? I hope no one thought I was trying to slight the Norweigans at #15.
Sri Lanka I’m rather sure, is a country where Buddhism is the most practiced faith.
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Confiteor_Deo
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As I said previously, I had no idea that “Mohammedan” had a negative connotation prior to posting in this thread. I liked the term when I read it in my catechisms and online and so I started using it. Since it seems only a few people find it offensive, and that offense is derived from a misunderstanding of the term itself, I find no problem using it in this circumstance. As I said before, if someone told me it offended them then I would apologize and use a different term upon their request. Some people are “offended” by many trivial terms, such as being “Mexican” or “black”.
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Confiteor_Deo
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It seems that the term is preserved mostly among more traditional Catholics since a set of traditional Catholic playing cards that I have from the SSPX use it. Most of the books that I have read that use it have come from the late 1800’s to the early 1900’s.
That certainly wasn’t very kind of your colleague.
That certainly wasn’t very kind of your colleague.
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Good_Tidings
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Why do Republicans like being in a constant state of fear? I’m at a loss to explain this.
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Darryl1958
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meforum.org/5704/ban-islamists-not-muslims
Unconstitutional: Every Western basic law is secular, disallowing a religious test for immigration, rendering Trump’s statement less an exercise in practical policy making than a gadfly provocation
Unacceptable: Beyond legalities, secularism represents a Western core value, up there with freedom of speech, a value hardly anyone accepts gutting for reasons of momentary expediency.
Unworkable: Islam is not a permanent identity like skin color. Nothing prevents Muslims from renouncing Islam or converting to another religion. Unless Trump extends his “total and complete shutdown” to former Muslims – which is even more unconstitutional – he just encourages the already-existing phenomenon of Muslim conversions of convenience (as symbolized by a church in Berlin).
Unstrategic: Trump’s presidential campaign once again is counterproductive; he simultaneously makes conservatives look like idiots and brings adoring attention to those who oppose his views, in this case radical Muslim groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations (widely known as CAIR), which has enjoyed an unprecedented cornucopia of media coverage to spread its deceitful message.
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That said, Trump has raised a critical and urgent issue that all Westerners must face, as symbolized by the recent tsunami of illegal immigration to Europe and the huge strains it has created. Simply put, Muslims present a disproportionately large source of problems, as becomes clear when they are compared with Hindu immigrants, who are roughly the same in number but generally fit quietly into the West.
Muslim immigrants in Europe have presented a larger source of problems than non-Muslims.*
Violence is the headline topic relating to Muslims, whether large-scale plots (Paris) or sudden jihad syndrome lone wolves (San Bernardino), but violence is hardly the whole problem. Muslim hostility toward non-Muslims takes many other forms, such as teaching Islamic supremacism in mosques, spewing antisemitism in the streets, and threatening anyone who dares publicly to criticize Islam. Issues concerning women include female genital mutilation, honor killings, polygyny, and forced marriages. Islamic mores lead to strong antipathies against seeing-eye dogs, mixed swimming pool usage, and homosexuals.
Polls show widespread – and legitimate – concern about these issues as well as growing impatience with governmental dismissal of those concerns. When Germany’s Angela Merkel welcomes an unlimited number of illegal immigrants or Barack Obama ridicules concerns about Syrian immigrants, populist voices like that of Donald Trump inevitably find followers.
Islamists shouldn’t ever be allowed into the U.S., even for brief visits.
How to deal with Muslim immigration in a responsible and uncontroversial manner? I offer two suggestions. First, replace the “Muslims entering the United States” in Trump’s formulation with “Islamists entering the United States.” Islamists are those Muslims who seek to apply Islamic law, oppress women and non-Muslims, and establish a worldwide caliphate. They make up about 10-15 percent of the Muslim population; they, not Muslims in general, are the barbarians who “believe only in Jihad.”
Second, engage in serious research into all would-be visitors and immigrants, not the pro-forma review that prevails these days. Doing so requires money and time, as well as creative inquiries to smoke out ideological proclivities, but each person entering the country must be checked to make sure no Islamists are allowed in, ever, at all, even for brief visits, thereby increasing our common security.
Unconstitutional: Every Western basic law is secular, disallowing a religious test for immigration, rendering Trump’s statement less an exercise in practical policy making than a gadfly provocation
Unacceptable: Beyond legalities, secularism represents a Western core value, up there with freedom of speech, a value hardly anyone accepts gutting for reasons of momentary expediency.
Unworkable: Islam is not a permanent identity like skin color. Nothing prevents Muslims from renouncing Islam or converting to another religion. Unless Trump extends his “total and complete shutdown” to former Muslims – which is even more unconstitutional – he just encourages the already-existing phenomenon of Muslim conversions of convenience (as symbolized by a church in Berlin).
Unstrategic: Trump’s presidential campaign once again is counterproductive; he simultaneously makes conservatives look like idiots and brings adoring attention to those who oppose his views, in this case radical Muslim groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations (widely known as CAIR), which has enjoyed an unprecedented cornucopia of media coverage to spread its deceitful message.
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That said, Trump has raised a critical and urgent issue that all Westerners must face, as symbolized by the recent tsunami of illegal immigration to Europe and the huge strains it has created. Simply put, Muslims present a disproportionately large source of problems, as becomes clear when they are compared with Hindu immigrants, who are roughly the same in number but generally fit quietly into the West.
Muslim immigrants in Europe have presented a larger source of problems than non-Muslims.*
Violence is the headline topic relating to Muslims, whether large-scale plots (Paris) or sudden jihad syndrome lone wolves (San Bernardino), but violence is hardly the whole problem. Muslim hostility toward non-Muslims takes many other forms, such as teaching Islamic supremacism in mosques, spewing antisemitism in the streets, and threatening anyone who dares publicly to criticize Islam. Issues concerning women include female genital mutilation, honor killings, polygyny, and forced marriages. Islamic mores lead to strong antipathies against seeing-eye dogs, mixed swimming pool usage, and homosexuals.
Polls show widespread – and legitimate – concern about these issues as well as growing impatience with governmental dismissal of those concerns. When Germany’s Angela Merkel welcomes an unlimited number of illegal immigrants or Barack Obama ridicules concerns about Syrian immigrants, populist voices like that of Donald Trump inevitably find followers.
Islamists shouldn’t ever be allowed into the U.S., even for brief visits.
How to deal with Muslim immigration in a responsible and uncontroversial manner? I offer two suggestions. First, replace the “Muslims entering the United States” in Trump’s formulation with “Islamists entering the United States.” Islamists are those Muslims who seek to apply Islamic law, oppress women and non-Muslims, and establish a worldwide caliphate. They make up about 10-15 percent of the Muslim population; they, not Muslims in general, are the barbarians who “believe only in Jihad.”
Second, engage in serious research into all would-be visitors and immigrants, not the pro-forma review that prevails these days. Doing so requires money and time, as well as creative inquiries to smoke out ideological proclivities, but each person entering the country must be checked to make sure no Islamists are allowed in, ever, at all, even for brief visits, thereby increasing our common security.
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Holly3278
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I do not think that we should close our borders to Muslims. The majority of Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving. Also, wouldn’t it be unconstitutional to close our borders to Muslims?
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Crossbones
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The Republican leadership wants the populace in a constant state of fear when there is a Democratic President. Not so much when there is a Republican President. President GW Bush and President Obama say many of the same things, but the non-stop right wing media works their base into frenzy under Obama.
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Prodigal_40s
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No need to “work” anyone when you consider who the Dems front runner is supported by their odious chairwoman who doesn’t know the difference between a Democrat and a Socialist.
One’s a Commie and the other’s a Socialist
BUT…
youtube.com/watch?v=uvle0sg5FAk
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Crossbones
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I like Mr. Trump, but the commie thing is pretty ridiculous. I wonder where you got that from. Oh, yeah, the right wing media I just talked about…
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GaryTaylor
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When President Obama spoke yesterday, he spoke to American as the US President and stated Americans should give not way to fear but be vigilant as he related about CA and the present situation of terrorist attacks. There is only one type of fear in relation to all americans in the context he spoke.
Are you suggesting FOX followers are more fearful?That said what I specifically see from FOX and CNN are narratives. For example FOX is specifically on the Obama approach to radical islam, foreign policy and how to defeat Isis eyc. CNN replaces the Obama analysis with talking about Trump, Bush, etc. The point is CNN suggests the opposition has no better plan which is completely plausible minus the rhetoric, but that doesn’t change the primary point of this Presidents issues with terrorism and national security and foreign policy nor his apparent concern as he spoke of yesterday with fear and vigilance.
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Crossbones
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Yes.When President Obama spoke yesterday, he spoke to American as the US President and stated Americans should give not way to fear but be vigilant as he related about CA and the present situation of terrorist attacks. There is only one type of fear in relation to all americans in the context he spoke.
Didn’t watch it, so I can’t comment on this particular case. In general, Fox is anything but fair and balanced and their main goal lately is to scare Republicans because of the ‘commie’ president and them evil Muslims. CNN is just crud.
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Prodigal_40s
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The “right wing” media you say? Oh and my Communist “theory” isn’t a theory.
Genderless society, society where all sexual orientations are the same including the ability to procreate children, Common state core education including programmes on sexual acts (sodomy) and sexual orientation to children. Oh and this:
salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/
Oh and this. There are hundreds more examples
latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-bakery-wedding-cake-20150703-story.html
abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/banned-live-nativity-indiana-mannequins-35743968
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