Donald Trump Jr emails show Russia communication

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sallybutler said:
No offense meant, but why do you refuse to hold Trump and associates to the same standards you want to hold me to?

President Trump is now a government employee. Whether or not he donates an amount equal to his government salary is not really important nor relevant. On January 20, he agreed to put the country and the Constitution above his personal interests.
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And he has. Is he different from previous presidents? He has only been in office
since January.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Keep in mind that “someone inside the White House” would include Trump Jr himself, as hacked previously at Trump Tower. Like all unattributed anti-Trump “news”, these things are not dated. Possibly that’s what the reference really is. Emails sent and received from Trump Tower would not ordinarily be in the White House for some “deep stater” to purloin. They would, however, be at Trump Tower.
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It’s email. One doesn’t have to physically be in Trump Tower in NYC to potentially access it. Also keep in mind that since email usually involves multiple people the compromise of an account of anyone in the email chain compromises the conversation.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Maybe you can tell us why a good Christian would vote for Hillary Clinton?
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This is one of the meanest, judgemental, nasty, partisan questions I have seen in a long time.

People that didn’t vote for Trump had lots of good, valid reasons. Perhaps you should move on instead of dwelling on the fact that not everyone agrees with you.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Hillary Clinton herself signed off on the uranium deal personally, so don’t be telling us she didn’t know about it. And she received $140 million dollars and Bill got half a million dollars from Russian entities. The only question is whether the money bought her acquiescence.
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I don’t doubt that she new about it. And even signed for the DoS. But the DoS was one of nine agencies signing off and the work in Sate was done at a lower level. It would not make sense to pay Clinton for this she she was not in a position to determine the outcome. And thus your conspiracy theory has not legs. Of course, this theory is dressed up with tales of selling our uranium; these tales are simply false. And they remain false no matter how often you post them, for whatever reason, as though true.
Really, people ought to be concerned about things like that, as well as flagrant and long-term misuse of classified information. If any Repub had done anything remotely like that, he would be fried in the press.
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Surely you know of things done by Republicans taht are “remotely like that”. And in those cases there was press coverage on these matters but not anything remotely like the coverage of Clinton.
Well, I guess Flynn got a lot less money from a Dutch company (for which he was a registered agent) that had a relationship with a Turkish company (for which he wasn’t registered) which had a relationship with a Russian company (for which he wasn’t registered), also from “Russia Today” which is regarded as an agency of the Russian government for a speech. And Mueller is going to jail Flynn if he can.
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Have you stopped to consider: what will Flynn go to jail for? Lying to the FBI, faliure to disclose? failure to register? Make your comparison to other cases on the legal grounds.
And the DNC colludes with a foreign government directly, paying money for Russian information against Trump, and nobody on the left cares because the DNC is their own. Remarkable.
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Again what are the legal issues at stake? if you focus on that, the situation will become clearer.
That tells me the left really doesn’t care about corruption, collusion, or even potential harm to the country, as long as it’s their own doing it.
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The correct assessment, however, is that your comparisons are faulty, they are not grounded in the law, and therefore are not pertinent to an assessment of who cares about corruption, collusion, harm to the country.
And it further tells me this whole Veletnitskaya business is a Democrat hatchet job.
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LOL.
 
sallybutler said:
This is one of the meanest, judgemental, nasty, partisan questions I have seen in a long time.

People that didn’t vote for Trump had lots of good, valid reasons. Perhaps you should move on instead of dwelling on the fact that not everyone agrees with you.
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Did you miss post #419? Perhaps it would help to read the question I responded
to?
 
sallybutler said:
This is one of the meanest, judgemental, nasty, partisan questions I have seen in a long time.

People that didn’t vote for Trump had lots of good, valid reasons. Perhaps you should move on instead of dwelling on the fact that not everyone agrees with you.
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The question was written in the context of another poster’s questioning why any good Christian would vote for Trump. Given the context, I don’t see it as so mean-spirited. Actually, it is surprising to me that anyone could vote for EITHER candidate. Our choices seem to be getting worse each election cycle.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Oh? You have the secret FISA application and the warrant? Well, surely you can scan themt on here to show us what they say. And I guess you have the FBI and Secret Service information for the times they investigated hacking at Trump Tower. Might be too long to scan in full, but excerpts will probably serve to give us the flavor of them.
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Actually shouldn’t it be the everyone who knows that would have all of this information to support their knowing? What I am aware of is the FISA law and the pertinent sworn testimony. You have none of the information you demand of me, and also need to assume, without evidence lawbreaking by the FBI and perjury. Fake.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Maybe you can tell us why a good Christian would vote for Hillary Clinton?
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Never said they should. 🤷

Kasich was by far the best candidate for Christians…

How Kasich’s Religion Is Hurting Him With Conservatives
politi.co/1Px6pud via @politicomag

There’s good reason to believe, however, that the most religiously driven candidate of all is a man who is remarkably un-theatrical about his beliefs—who even vows, “I don’t go out and try to win a vote by using God. I think that cheapens God.” That would be John Kasich.

There is no easy way to measure how deeply a person believes, of course, or to what degree a politician is driven by faith. But the Ohio governor has gone to Bible study with the same group of men every other week for the past 20 years. He has attended an Anglican church in Ohio for decades because, as he wrote in his book, Every Other Monday: Twenty Years of Life, Lunch, Faith, and Friendship, he likes receiving Communion every week, a practice uncommon in other Christian denominations. When Vice President Joe Biden’s son Beau died last year after a battle with brain cancer, Kasich quickly expressed sympathy, offering a prayer on Meet the Press: “I’m going to pray for [Joe] because he’s had a lifetime of tears. God bless you, Joe.” (Cruz, in contrast, trotted out an old joke about the vice president just days after Beau’s death.)

The irony here is not just that the most pious Republican candidate has been largely overshadowed in a campaign for which Christianity is a major calling card. As Kasich makes what could be his last big campaign push to win Ohio’s primary on Tuesday, his devout faith might actually be hurting him. The governor’s faith appears to drive his politically moderate stances on immigration, climate change and gay marriage—positions that alienate him from mainstream conservatives whose support Kasich needs to have a chance at the nomination.

Trump supporters really blew it for the rest of us. They chose a lying self aggrandizing bully over a decent faith filled man. How do you explain that?

You’ll probably say it all just “fake news” :rolleyes:
 
Luke6_37 said:
Never said they should. 🤷

Kasich was by far the best candidate for Christians…

How Kasich’s Religion Is Hurting Him With Conservatives
politi.co/1Px6pud via @politicomag

There’s good reason to believe, however, that the most religiously driven candidate of all is a man who is remarkably un-theatrical about his beliefs—who even vows, “I don’t go out and try to win a vote by using God. I think that cheapens God.” That would be John Kasich.

There is no easy way to measure how deeply a person believes, of course, or to what degree a politician is driven by faith. But the Ohio governor has gone to Bible study with the same group of men every other week for the past 20 years. He has attended an Anglican church in Ohio for decades because, as he wrote in his book, Every Other Monday: Twenty Years of Life, Lunch, Faith, and Friendship, he likes receiving Communion every week, a practice uncommon in other Christian denominations. When Vice President Joe Biden’s son Beau died last year after a battle with brain cancer, Kasich quickly expressed sympathy, offering a prayer on Meet the Press: “I’m going to pray for [Joe] because he’s had a lifetime of tears. God bless you, Joe.” (Cruz, in contrast, trotted out an old joke about the vice president just days after Beau’s death.)

The irony here is not just that the most pious Republican candidate has been largely overshadowed in a campaign for which Christianity is a major calling card. As Kasich makes what could be his last big campaign push to win Ohio’s primary on Tuesday, his devout faith might actually be hurting him. The governor’s faith appears to drive his politically moderate stances on immigration, climate change and gay marriage—positions that alienate him from mainstream conservatives whose support Kasich needs to have a chance at the nomination.

Trump supporters really blew it for the rest of us. They chose a lying self aggrandizing bully over a decent faith filled man. How do you explain that?

You’ll probably say it all just “fake news” :rolleyes:
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I am happy he is strong in his faith and is a committed Christian. So much has happened since the primaries and there were so many candidates, but something must have happened for me to disqualify him as November approached.
 
meltzerboy said:
The question was written in the context of another poster’s questioning why any good Christian would vote for Trump. Given the context, I don’t see it as so mean-spirited. Actually, it is surprising to me that anyone could vote for EITHER candidate. Our choices seem to be getting worse each election cycle.
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Thanks for more clarification meltzerboy. You are right.

The 2016 presidential election will go down as one of the strangest in history
books. I have no idea what to predict in future candidates! :eek:
 
7_Sorrows said:
I am happy he is strong in his faith and is a committed Christian. So much has happened since the primaries and there were so many candidates, but something must have happened for me to disqualify him as November approached.
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Right, well you seem to have a faulty memory for a lot of things.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I am happy he is strong in his faith and is a committed Christian. So much has happened since the primaries and there were so many candidates, but something must have happened for me to disqualify him as November approached.
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What do you think happened for you to disqualify him?
 
7_Sorrows said:
Thanks for more clarification meltzerboy. You are right.

The 2016 presidential election will go down as one of the strangest in history
books. I have no idea what to predict in future candidates! :eek:
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Out of the two candidates I am sure we can agree that Trump is by far the better choice.
 
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