Donald Trump Jr emails show Russia communication

[Ridgerunner]

Probably every Russian national in and around DC or any other important place is a “Russian spy” in some manner or other. Some would be all day, every day, trained spies. Some would be people with other functions who nevertheless report to Putin regularly. Some would be Russians who have totally other reasons to be here but could be called in at any time by the FSB to do this or report on that.

I’m sure if you’re a Russian, you don’t refuse to do the Kremlin’s bidding. And I don’t much doubt that the whole Russian “political structure” is simply a renamed “KGB structure” with the same participants. And I don’t for a minute doubt it (and all Russians abroad) are managed to one degree or another by some very clever people, headed by the most clever of all; Vladimir Putin.

So I doubt most Russians in this country are “pure” spies and agents, but I expect all of them are to one degree or another, whether they want to be or not.

And for that matter, one can and should be suspicious of Ukrainians of consequence. Ukraine spent hundreds of years as part of Russia. After the separation of Ukraine there were no “Nuremberg trials” of former collaborators with the Soviet Union. Undoubtedly some Ukrainians are totally loyal to Ukraine. Some are undoubtedly Russian agents too. Some are probably an uncertain mixture of both.

And so, when we think about Velesnitskaya or the FSB/CrowdStrike/Ukrainian connection, I think we can be fairly certain the “KBG” hand is in there in some way and to some degree. And I doubt there are very many people of importance in DC or in the NYC business world who do not have some kind of “Russia connection” or other, particularly in government, banking and finance. Some are undoubtedly just tangential (which is what I suspect the Trump Jr one is). Some are tawdry and despicable but not necessarily illegal. (Fusion, CrowdStrike, Podesta). Some are probably illegal but not quite treasonous (Clinton Foundation possibly). And some probably are both treasonous and illegal. (???)

 

[Ridgerunner]

It’s a possibility dvdjs, but who is she really working for or helping out, or are there two parties that can gain something from this?? This is an important question, i.e., who is benefiting from this particular set up?.

Putin is undoubtedly the primary beneficiary of the whole “war on Trump”, which keeps the Repubs cowed and much of the government dysfunctional. Are the Dems knowing and colluding beneficiaries? Probably not, or at least not to any significant degree. Are some of their money people benefitting? Most likely. Are the hard leftists benefitting? Yes.

The losers in the left’s war on Trump are Trump, congress, quite possibly Syrians, quite possibly Europe, and absolutely the people of the United States.

 

[_Abyssinia]

There are reports that Rinat Akhmetshin was in the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. The Federalist reported back in May, "Multiple U.S. senators are now demanding that FBI Director James Comey disclose whether Fusion GPS, the Democratic opposition research firm that produced the debunked dossier on President Trump’s alleged Russia ties, was itself a Russian agent working on behalf of Vladimir Putin’s regime. " The article cites part or all of a letter from Chuck Grassley about apparent work Rinat Askmetshin did with Fushion GPS. From Chuck Grassley’s letter:

Fusion GPS is the subject of a complaint to the Justice Department, which alleges that the company violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act by working on behalf of Russian principals to undermine U.S. sanctions against Russians. That unregistered work was reportedly conducted with a former Russian intelligence operative, Mr. Rinat Akhmetshin, and appears to have been occurring simultaneous to Fusion GPS’s work overseeing the creation of the dossier.

thefederalist.com/2017/05/03/top-senator-wait-the-firm-behind-trump-dossier-was-funded-by-russia/

 

[josie_L]

Probably every Russian national in and around DC or any other important place is a “Russian spy” in some manner or other. Some would be all day, every day, trained spies. Some would be people with other functions who nevertheless report to Putin regularly. Some would be Russians who have totally other reasons to be here but could be called in at any time by the FSB to do this or report on that.

I’m sure if you’re a Russian, you don’t refuse to do the Kremlin’s bidding. And I don’t much doubt that the whole Russian “political structure” is simply a renamed “KGB structure” with the same participants. And I don’t for a minute doubt it (and all Russians abroad) are managed to one degree or another by some very clever people, headed by the most clever of all; Vladimir Putin.

So I doubt most Russians in this country are “pure” spies and agents, but I expect all of them are to one degree or another, whether they want to be or not.

And for that matter, one can and should be suspicious of Ukrainians of consequence. Ukraine spent hundreds of years as part of Russia. After the separation of Ukraine there were no “Nuremberg trials” of former collaborators with the Soviet Union. Undoubtedly some Ukrainians are totally loyal to Ukraine. Some are undoubtedly Russian agents too. Some are probably an uncertain mixture of both.

And so, when we think about Velesnitskaya or the FSB/CrowdStrike/Ukrainian connection, I think we can be fairly certain the “KBG” hand is in there in some way and to some degree. And I doubt there are very many people of importance in DC or in the NYC business world who do not have some kind of “Russia connection” or other, particularly in government, banking and finance. Some are undoubtedly just tangential (which is what I suspect the Trump Jr one is). Some are tawdry and despicable but not necessarily illegal. (Fusion, CrowdStrike, Podesta). Some are probably illegal but not quite treasonous (Clinton Foundation possibly). And some probably are both treasonous and illegal. (???)

I only found out yesterday that Podesta is a lobbyist for Russia. Is this what they mean?

The filings, obtained by POLITICO, appear to clean up the firm’s requirement to disclose its role in foreign lobbying that Manafort reportedly orchestrated. The Podesta Group said it believed its client was an unaffiliated European think tank. But the new paperwork suggests the Justice Department has information tying the think tank to the pro-Russian Ukrainian Party of Regions — a possible source of continuing legal trouble for Manafort, because he never disclosed his own role in the lobbying campaign.
politico.com/story/2017/04/paul-manafort-lobbying-ukraine-podesta-group-237163

 

[johnnykins]

Putin is undoubtedly the primary beneficiary of the whole “war on Trump”, which keeps the Repubs cowed and much of the government dysfunctional. Are the Dems knowing and colluding beneficiaries? Probably not, or at least not to any significant degree. Are some of their money people benefitting? Most likely. Are the hard leftists benefitting? Yes.

The losers in the left’s war on Trump are Trump, congress, quite possibly Syrians, quite possibly Europe, and absolutely the people of the United States.

Trump and his team are directly and incontrovertibly responsible for this debacle. Manafort, Flynn, Kushner, Trump, Jr and Trump himself have consistemtly and continually lied and obfuscated whenever possible. Only when exposed by others have the come forward at all. IF this had been a Democrat scheme, all they had to do was tell the truth - or at least on consistent story. the clear fact is their stories keep changing. Dramatically so.

Add, that the GOP won’t really investigate - when they are not actually impeding investigation - is an indictment of the entire GOP of depressing and monumental proportion.

Sure America will lose. But, this all traces back exclusively to the GOP and Trump. That is the undeniable fact.

 

[josie_L]

Putin is undoubtedly the primary beneficiary of the whole “war on Trump”, which keeps the Repubs cowed and much of the government dysfunctional. Are the Dems knowing and colluding beneficiaries? Probably not, or at least not to any significant degree. Are some of their money people benefitting? Most likely. Are the hard leftists benefitting? Yes.

The losers in the left’s war on Trump are Trump, congress, quite possibly Syrians, quite possibly Europe, and absolutely the people of the United States.

I don’t doubt he’s having his chuckles, but do you think Veselnitskaya had anything to gain from this? What is her role in all of this? And there is a link between her and Fusion GPS, because both worked towards repealing the Magnitsky Act, who has you know was hired to do opposition research by the Hillary campaign.

 

[Sojourner003]

There are reports that Rinat Akhmetshin was in the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. The Federalist reported back in May, "Multiple U.S. senators are now demanding that FBI Director James Comey disclose whether Fusion GPS, the Democratic opposition research firm that produced the debunked dossier on President Trump’s alleged Russia ties, was itself a Russian agent working on behalf of Vladimir Putin’s regime. " The article cites part or all of a letter from Chuck Grassley about apparent work Rinat Askmetshin did with Fushion GPS. From Chuck Grassley’s letter:

thefederalist.com/2017/05/03/top-senator-wait-the-firm-behind-trump-dossier-was-funded-by-russia/

This is getting pretty confusing. It is my understanding that Jeb Bush first hired an oppo firm to investigate Trump. This firm was working for him until he lost the primary and he no longer needed their service. At that time a superpac for Hillary picked up the slack. tThey hired the same firm and that firm had quite extensive reseach already in the bag. this research show many Russian ties to Trump. The firm then asked Steele to do some work for them since he had an extensive background in all things Russian. He put together a dossier which alarmed him to the extent that he alerted the FBI. He did not hear from the FBI so he turned information over to John McCain who was also alarmed and followed up with the FBI. The FBI started to look into the dossier to see if they could confirm the reports. Which, to my knowledge they are still doing. Where is the proof or any innuendo that this oppo firm should be registered as a foreign agent. I just don’t get it. And BTW, it is not true that this dossier has been totally debunked. It hasn’t and with these daily drips of info it is started to gain credibility.

 

[josie_L]

There are reports that Rinat Akhmetshin was in the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. The Federalist reported back in May, "Multiple U.S. senators are now demanding that FBI Director James Comey disclose whether Fusion GPS, the Democratic opposition research firm that produced the debunked dossier on President Trump’s alleged Russia ties, was itself a Russian agent working on behalf of Vladimir Putin’s regime. " The article cites part or all of a letter from Chuck Grassley about apparent work Rinat Askmetshin did with Fushion GPS. From Chuck Grassley’s letter:

thefederalist.com/2017/05/03/top-senator-wait-the-firm-behind-trump-dossier-was-funded-by-russia/

And the plot thickens. I’ve already mentioned that Glenn Simpson (founder/owner) of Fusion GPS will be testifying next Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

 

[josie_L]

This is getting pretty confusing. It is my understanding that Jeb Bush first hired an oppo firm to investigate Trump. This firm was working for him until he lost the primary and he no longer needed their service. At that time a superpac for Hillary picked up the slack. tThey hired the same firm and that firm had quite extensive reseach already in the bag. this research show many Russian ties to Trump. The firm then asked Steele to do some work for them since he had an extensive background in all things Russian. He put together a dossier which alarmed him to the extent that he alerted the FBI. He did not hear from the FBI so he turned information over to John McCain who was also alarmed and followed up with the FBI. The FBI started to look into the dossier to see if they could confirm the reports. Which, to my knowledge they are still doing. Where is the proof or any innuendo that this oppo firm should be registered as a foreign agent. I just don’t get it. And BTW, it is not true that this dossier has been totally debunked. It hasn’t and with these daily drips of info it is started to gain credibility.

The dossier is a complete fake, and purportedly supplied by Russian sources, so don’t go there.

 

[ProdigalSun]

Trump and his team are directly and incontrovertibly responsible for this debacle. Manafort, Flynn, Kushner, Trump, Jr and Trump himself have consistemtly and continually lied and obfuscated whenever possible. Only when exposed by others have the come forward at all. IF this had been a Democrat scheme, all they had to do was tell the truth - or at least on consistent story. the clear fact is their stories keep changing. Dramatically so.

Add, that the GOP won’t really investigate - when they are not actually impeding investigation - is an indictment of the entire GOP of depressing and monumental proportion.

Sure America will lose. But, this all traces back exclusively to the GOP and Trump. hat is the undeniable fact.

T

NO… It is not an undeniable fact. Your hatred of all things trump is clouding your judgement!

 

[dvdjs]

This is getting pretty confusing. It is my understanding that Jeb Bush first hired an oppo firm to investigate Trump. This firm was working for him until he lost the primary and he no longer needed their service. At that time a superpac for Hillary picked up the slack. tThey hired the same firm and that firm had quite extensive reseach already in the bag. this research show many Russian ties to Trump. The firm then asked Steele to do some work for them since he had an extensive background in all things Russian. He put together a dossier which alarmed him to the extent that he alerted the FBI. He did not hear from the FBI so he turned information over to John McCain who was also alarmed and followed up with the FBI. The FBI started to look into the dossier to see if they could confirm the reports. Which, to my knowledge they are still doing. Where is the proof or any innuendo that this oppo firm should be registered as a foreign agent. I just don’t get it. And BTW, it is not true that this dossier has been totally debunked. It hasn’t and with these daily drips of info it is started to gain credibility.

Thanks. It is a lot of work to piece this all together with facts rather than “association”. Nice job.

 

[Sojourner003]

The dossier is a complete fake, and purportedly supplied by Russian sources, so don’t go there.

I will go there. I’m not saying everything is true, but many things are true. That is what is being investigated. Yes, much of the Russian stuff was supplied by Russians. duh. Several of these sources have been arrested, murdered, or disappeared. Go figure.

 

[Sojourner003]

ProdigalSun:
T

NO… It is not an undeniable fact. Your hatred of all things trump is clouding your judgement!

Remember this?

washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.9066faf69d86
A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

Before the conversation, McCarthy and Ryan had emerged from separate talks at the Capitol with Ukrainian Prime Minister Vladi¬mir Groysman, who had described a Kremlin tactic of financing populist politicians to undercut Eastern European democratic institutions.

News had just broken the day before in The Washington Post that Russian government hackers had penetrated the computer network of the Democratic National Committee, prompting McCarthy to shift the conversation from Russian meddling in Europe to events closer to home.

Some of the lawmakers laughed at McCarthy’s comment. Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.”

Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks. . . . This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

The remarks remained secret for nearly a year.

 

[_Abyssinia]

And the plot thickens. I’ve already mentioned that Glenn Simpson (founder/owner) of Fusion GPS will be testifying next Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Co-founder of firm behind Trump-Russia dossier won’t testify before Senate

thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/341978-co-founder-of-firm-behind-trump-russia-dossier-wont-testify-before-senate

I wonder why he won’t voluntarily testify.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

sigh, I saw a video on YouTube from Vox that I can’t help but feel summarizes the arguments that I’ve seen in this thread.

youtube.com/watch?v=TCDSqgs8qNo

 

[josie_L]

Co-founder of firm behind Trump-Russia dossier won’t testify before Senate

thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/341978-co-founder-of-firm-behind-trump-russia-dossier-wont-testify-before-senate

I wonder why he won’t voluntarily testify.

Yes, one wonders, why an “innocent” man doesn’t want to voluntarily testify? His reputation and his firm’s reputability are at stake if he doesn’t? But no doubt he will be subpoenaed, and then, more than likely take the 5th.

 

[josie_L]

And BTW, it is not true that this dossier has been totally debunked. It hasn’t and with these daily drips of info it is started to gain credibility.

Democrats intentionally used disinformation from Russia to attack Trump, campaign aides

While the mainstream news media hunts for evidence of Trump-Russia collusion, the public record shows that Democrats have willfully used Moscow disinformation to influence the presidential election against Donald Trump and attack his administration.

The disinformation came in the form of a Russian-fed dossier written by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele. It contains a series of unverified criminal charges against Mr. Trump’s campaign aides, such as coordinating Moscow’s hacking of Democratic Party computers.

Some Democrats have widely circulated the discredited information. Mr. Steele was paid by the Democrat-funded opposition research firm Fusion GPS with money from a Hillary Clinton backer. Fusion GPS distributed the dossier among Democrats and journalists. The information fell into the hands of the FBI, which used it in part to investigate Mr. Trump’s campaign aides.

Mr. Steele makes clear that his unproven charges came almost exclusively from sources linked to the Kremlin and Russian President Vladimir Putin. He identified his sources as “a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure,” a former “top level Russian intelligence officer active inside the Kremlin,” a “senior Kremlin official” and a “senior Russian government official.”

The same Democrats who have condemned Russia’s election interference via plying fake news and hacking email servers have quoted freely from the Steele anti-Trump memos derived from creatures of the Kremlin.

In other words, there is public evidence of significant, indirect collusion between Democrats and Russian disinformation, a Trump supporter said.

“If anyone colluded with the Russians, it was the Democrats,” said a former Trump campaign adviser who asked not to be identified because of the pending investigations.

“After all, they’ve routinely shopped around false claims from the debunked Steele dossier, which listed sources including senior Kremlin officials. If anyone should be investigated in Washington, it ought to be Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell, Mark Warner and their staffers.”

That is a reference to Rep. Adam B. Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence; Sen. Mark R. Warner, Virginia Democrat and vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; and Rep. Eric Swalwell, a California, Democrat on the House intelligence panel.

**By his own admission, Mr. Steele’s work has proved unreliable.
**
As first reported by The Washington Times on April 25, Mr. Steele filed a document in a sealed court case in London acknowledging that a major dossier charge about hacking Democrats’ computers was unverified. The entire dossier never should have been made public and Fusion GPS should not have passed it around, Mr. Steele said in a filing defending himself against a libel charge.

About Carter Page

Other dossier targets vehemently deny the dirt thrown by the Kremlin sources.

Mr. Steele’s Russian sources accused Mr. Trump’s attorney, Michael Cohen, of attending a meeting with Russian agents in Prague to cover up their role in Moscow’s hacking. Mr. Cohen has said he has never been to Prague and was in California at the time.

One of the main targets of Mr. Steele’s Russian sources is Carter Page, who lived and worked in Moscow as a Merrill Lynch investor. He had loose ties to the Trump campaign as a foreign policy adviser and surrogate.

Mr. Steele’s Russian sources accused Mr. Page of a series of crimes: teaming up with former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort to help Russia hack Democratic computers, meeting in Moscow with two Putin cronies to plot against Mrs. Clinton and working out a shady brokerage deal with a Russian oligarch.

Mr. Page told The Washington Times that he has never met Mr. Manafort, knew nothing about Russian hacking when it was happening, never met the two Russians named by Mr. Steele and never completed the supposed investment deal.

The dossier accusations against Mr. Page surfaced during the campaign in a Yahoo News story, citing not Mr. Steele but intelligence sources. It then went out on the U.S. government’s Voice of America.

In the meantime, the Clinton campaign used the Yahoo story to attack Mr. Trump:

“Hillary for America Statement on Bombshell Report About Trump Aide’s Chilling Ties to Kremlin,” blared the Clinton campaign’s Sept. 23 press release.

Since the dossier was circulated widely among Democrats, Mr. Page said, he believes the Clinton team possessed it and relied on it based on what some of Mrs. Clinton’s surrogates said publicly.

“After the report by Yahoo News, the Clinton campaign put out an equally false press release just minutes after the article was released that afternoon,” said Mr. Page, who has tracked what he believes is a series of inaccurate stories and accusations against him.

“Of course, the [Clinton campaign representatives] were lying about it with the media nonstop for many months, and they’ve continued until this day,” Mr. Page said. “Both indirectly as they planted articles in the press and directly with many TV appearances.”

washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/11/democrats-spread-false-russian-information-on-trum/

 

[josie_L]

Democrats cite Russia’s dirt

Even before the Yahoo story, then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, was using the Russian-sourced dossier.

On Aug. 27, with the campaign in high gear and knowledge that Russian hackers had penetrated Clinton campaign computers in the public domain, Mr. Reid released a letter to then-FBI Director James B. Comey.

Mr. Reid called for an investigation into Mr. Page’s trip to Moscow, where he supposedly “met with high-ranking sanctioned individuals. Any such meetings should be investigated and made part of the public record.”

Mr. Reid’s evidence surely came from the dossier and its Russian sources.
In the dossier, Mr. Steele clearly states that his anti-Trump accusations are from the Kremlin, which means some Democrats have been willingly repeating Moscow propaganda for public consumption in Washington.

No Democrats have embraced the Russian-sourced dossier more than members of the House intelligence committee, which is investigating Moscow’s interference in the election.

Mr. Schiff read from the dossier extensively at a March hearing featuring Mr. Comey and Navy Adm. Michael Rogers, who leads the National Security Agency.

As Mr. Schiff and other Democrats were bemoaning Kremlin activities against Mrs. Clinton, they were more than willing to quote Kremlin sources attacking Mr. Trump during the election campaign.

Mr. Schiff lauded Mr. Steele for disclosing that Rosneft, a Russian-owned gas and oil company, planned to sell a 19.5 percent share to an investor and that Mr. Page was offered a brokerage fee.

Trouble is, the 19.5 percent share was announced publicly by Moscow before Mr. Steele wrote that memo. Mr. Page said he was never involved in any talk about a commission.

Mr. Schiff was more than willing to quote Kremlin sources.
“According to Steele’s Russian sources, the campaign has offered documents damaging to Hillary Clinton, which the Russians would publish through an outlet that gives them deniability like WikiLeaks,” he said.

Mr. Schiff also said: “According to Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer, who is reportedly held in high regard by U.S. intelligence, Russian sources tell him that Page has also had a secret meeting with Igor Sechin, CEO of the Russian gas giant, Rosneft. Sechin is reported to be a former KGB agent and close friend of Putin’s.”

Mr. Page has said repeatedly that he does not know Mr. Sechin and did not meet with him in Moscow.

Meanwhile, Rep. Joaquin Castro of Texas, another Democrat on the House committee, lauded Mr. Steele’s Kremlin sourcing.

“I want to take a moment to turn to the Christopher Steele dossier, which was first mentioned in the media just before the election and published in full by media outlets in January,” Mr. Castro said. “My focus today is to explore how many claims within Steele’s dossier are looking more and more likely, as though they are accurate.

“This is not someone who doesn’t know how to run a source and not someone without contacts. The allegations it raises about President Trump’s campaign aides’ connections to Russians, when overlaid with known established facts and timelines from the 2016 campaign, are very revealing,” he said.

Rep. Andre Carson, Indiana Democrat, said: “There’s a lot in the dossier that is yet to be proven, but increasingly as we’ll hear throughout the day, allegations are checking out.”

On MSNBC in March, Rep. Maxine Waters, California Democrat, said she believed the dossier section on Mr. Trump and supposed sex acts with prostitutes in Moscow were true.

“Oh, I think it should be taken a look at,” she said. “I think they should really read it, understand it, analyze it and determine what’s fact, what may not be fact. We already know that the part about the coverage that they have on him with sex actions is supposed to be true. They have said that that’s absolutely true. Some other things they kind of allude to. Yes, I think he should go into that dossier and see what’s there.”

Fusion GPS widely circulated the dossier during the presidential race. The public got its first glance when the news site BuzzFeed posted it online in January, with its editor saying he doubted it was true.

One person who says he knows it is a fabrication is Russian entrepreneur Aleksej Gubarev.

The dossier quotes Russian sources as saying Mr. Gubarev’s technology company, XBT, used botnets to flood Democratic computers with porn and spying devices.

Mr. Gubarev is suing Mr. Steele for libel in London and is suing BuzzFeed in Florida.
It is in the London case that Mr. Steele acknowledged that his memo on Mr. Gubarev was unverified.

washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/11/democrats-spread-false-russian-information-on-trum/

 

[josie_L]

I cannot believe people who are willing to believe Russia helped Trump win the presidential election, can also simultaneously believe and use “Russian government sources” to undermine Trump? So the very government believed to have helped Trump are simultaneously undermining it!!! What the… . . this is illogical to say the least.

 

[ProVobis]

I cannot believe people are willing to believe Russia helped trump win the presidential election, can also simultaneously believe and use “Russian government sources” to undermine Trump? So the very government believed to have helped Trump are simultaneously undermining it!!! What the… . . this is illogical to say the least.

If Trump were undermined by Russia in any way, I’m sure we’d hear about it from Trump.

Still waiting…