Donald Trump Jr emails show Russia communication

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Sojourner003 said:
It seems like she is changing her story just as fast as junior is.
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No, she admits to knowing " the crown prosecutor" of Russia, due to her previous work for the government. But according to what she said in the article she is a private citizen .
 
josie_L said:
If you read the article from the Washington Times I quoted in full, you will understand what I mean. It’s just a few pages back.
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I did read the articles. It does have some facts but it’s too much infused with spin. That’s the very definition of propaganda. I like to read from sources who have links ( or footnotes) to the sources from which they are drawing their opinions. That way i can judge the veracity as I read along. You seem to be a serious seeker of truth so I would suggest you look for sources like that, too. I admit, it takes longer.
 
josie_L said:
No, she admits to knowing " the crown prosecutor" of Russia, due to her previous work for the government. But according to what she said in the article she is a private citizen .
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Then it appears she has changed her story and is now saying something different to the WSJ. That’s what I’m talking about. This is a very fluid story. And now it’s up to 8 people in the room.
 
Sojourner003 said:
I did read the articles. It does have some facts but it’s too much infused with spin. That’s the very definition of propaganda. I like to read from sources who have links ( or footnotes) to the sources from which they are drawing their opinions. That way i can judge the veracity as I read along. You seem to be a serious seeker of truth so I would suggest you look for sources like that, too. I admit, it takes longer.
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There is no spin. In fact, I find the Washington Times to be bettet than most news outlets in that it has far less bias. I have read many articles to date to help me formulate my thoughts on the matter at issue. But thank you.

P.s. Newspaper articles do not have footnotes.
 
Sojourner003 said:
Then it appears she has changed her story and is now saying something different to the WSJ. That’s what I’m talking about. This is a very fluid story. And now it’s up to 8 people in the room.
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Is she saying that she works for the Russian government?
 
Nice piece by Ross Douhat.

A Conspiracy of Dunces

nytimes.com/2017/07/11/opinion/trump-russia-collusion.html

it will help JoseiL and others better understand the difference
… even if accepting oppo from a foreign government is technically legal … this talking point takes you only so far. I am not a particularly fierce Russia hawk, but the Russians are still a more-hostile-than-not power these days, with stronger incentives to subvert American democracy than the average foreign government. So taking their oppo has a gravity that should have stopped a more upright and patriotic campaign short.
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Second, if the Russians had been dangling some of Hillary’s missing 30,000 emails, those, too, would had to have been hacked — that is, stolen — to end up in Moscow’s hands. So Don Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner should have known going in that if the offer was genuine, the oppo useful, it might involve stolen goods.
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… And then of course everybody lied about or “forgot” about the meeting, repeatedly and consistently, right up until the emails themselves made their way to the press.
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This is the difference.
 
josie_L said:
There is no spin. In fact, I find the Washington Times to be bettet than most news outlets in that it has far less bias. I have read many articles to date to help me formulate my thoughts on the matter at issue. But thank you.

P.s. Newspaper articles do not have footnotes.
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Many times they do have links ( footnotes) I like to read opinion pieces who link all the news sources out there. I appreciate people who will tie it all together for me with verifiable sources.
 
For those who have been arguing that character doesn’ matter - that we are not electing a saint, here is a nice piece by Michael Gerson.
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An administration without a conscience**

washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-trumps-world-innocence-is-proved-by-guilt/2017/07/13/07e69a82-67ea-11e7-8eb5-cbccc2e7bfbf_story.html?utm_term=.b62e71cfb3c6
Given what we know about the collusion — and there is no other word for it — between then-candidate Donald Trump’s most senior advisers and what they thought was a Kremlin-tied lawyer offering dirt on Hillary Clinton, the most shocking thing is that no one on the Trump side was shocked. The most offensive thing is that no one took offense. Trump’s son, son-in-law and campaign manager treated the offer of aid by a hostile foreign power to tilt an election as just another day at the office. “I think many people would have held that meeting,” the president affirmed. It is the banality of this corruption that makes it so appalling. The president and his men are incapable of feeling shame about shameful things.
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Donald Jr. certainly doesn’t know what all the fuss is about. Instead of offering a hint of contrition, he offered a complaint that the proffered information was not particularly useful. “I applaud his transparency,” father said of son. But disclosure is not really a virtue if you are admitting highly unethical actions without apology. It is more like the public confession of serious wrongdoing, and the attempted normalization of sliminess.
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The ultimate explanation for this toxic moral atmosphere is President Trump himself. He did not attend the meeting, but he is fully responsible for creating and marketing an ethos in which victory matters more than character and real men write their own rules. Trumpism is an easygoing belief system that indulges and excuses the stiffing of contractors, the conning of students, the bilking of investors, the exploitation of women and the practices of nepotism and self-dealing. A faith that makes losing a sin will make cheating a sacrament.
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Sojourner003 said:
She reports to Yuri Cheka ( sp?) He’s the most recognized Putin associate and chief prosecutor.
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Excuse me, reports, not from what I read, I.e., her job does not entail having to report to government officials like Cheka.

So I will repeat does she work for the Russian government?
 
Sojourner003 said:
Then it appears she has changed her story and is now saying something different to the WSJ. That’s what I’m talking about. This is a very fluid story. And now it’s up to 8 people in the room.
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Going to have to move the meeting to a bigger room.

Maybe an auditorium.
 
josie_L said:
Excuse me, reports, not from what I read, I.e., her job does not entail having to report to government officials like Cheka.

So I will repeat does she work for the Russian government?
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Cheka is the name for the old secret police before the KGB and the NKVD and etc.

This is sounding like some ten year old’s fantasy made up story.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD
 
josie_L said:
Excuse me, reports, not from what I read, I.e., her job does not entail having to report to government officials like Cheka.

So I will repeat does she work for the Russian government?
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That’s what was told to Jr. Who said “I love it” when going to meet her ( and now the numbers at the meeting are growing)

If she is or isn’t we don’t know yet.

We don’t even know what the meeting actually consisted of. We just have Don Jr.'s account of it.
 
Sojourner003 said:
There’s a big difference.
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Contact with a Russian person was made, but this does not equate with the spewing of a Russia-Trump narrative from the Media, wherein we are to believe that Russia helped Trump win the presidential election and that Trump and his administration were in on it. Where’s the evidence that the Russians helped, where’s the evidence that Trump benefited from this collision with Russia?

My goodness, if all we have is one failed attempt to meet up with a Russian/s citizens, which we have yet to confirm is legal or not., then we’re making a much ado about nothing.
 
Sojourner003 said:
Many times they do have links ( footnotes) I like to read opinion pieces who link all the news sources out there. I appreciate people who will tie it all together for me with verifiable sources.
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The Washington Times is perfectly legit and a good source of news, and is a far less biased paper than any of the leftist MSN.And
 
dvdjs said:
Nice piece by Ross Douhat.

A Conspiracy of Dunces

nytimes.com/2017/07/11/opinion/trump-russia-collusion.html

it will help JoseiL and others better understand the difference

This is the difference.
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The DNC cheated Bernie Sanders of his presidential nomination, Donna Brazile gave Hillary questions beforehand, Democrats used a fake Russian dossier and lauded it before the media and the FBI as proof of Russia/ Trump collusion . . .

Oh, and the suspicious death of a DNC staffer, a Bernie supporter, right before the DNC wikileaks.

And the NYT wants to talk about the morality of lying.
 
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