Donald Trump leads Walker, Bush in Fox national poll

[FollowChrist34]

This is what people like about Trump, he fights back and that is one of his intangibles.

Millionaire Atheist Jorge Ramos? I think that was a good job by Trump, Ramos did not have the floor, he was creating a disturbance and shouting above everyone else. Ramos engaged in uncivil behavior.

This is why people like Putin too. He fights back, speaks his mind and hates free speech. He’s in a little better shape though - and probably a lot smarter.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Christie is a good candidate I don’t understand it either.
I think Trump is taking all the spotlight now, so to speak that other good candidates aren’t getting a look. I would have no problem voting for Christie if he is the nominee.
I don’t have a problem with a candidate "telling it like it is, I just don’t like the way he (Trump)attacks people, as you pointed out.
I want some one who is a DOER not a talker, and we have good candidates out there who have been governers of states that have good records.
As I pointed out earlier, and as Pathfinder has pointed out, yes we need to talk about immigration.
We’ve had an administration WAY too soft on immigration to say the least, and with the horror of the killings in these sanctuary cities by people who should have either been deported or behind bars, with the key thrown away, of course Trump is resonating.
People are tired of all the namby-pamby political correctness, too, another reason why a “tell it like it is” person is resonating. But we need to ]take a serious look at records, folks, and Trump doesn’t have one. We need someone, calm , smart, smart strong.
But we need someone who can negotiate with our enemies and be strong, Like Reagan, but diplomatic, like Reagan.
And Trump is no Reagan.

Well said, very well said!!! Trump is capitalizing on legitimate anger and frustration. No doubt about it. You have captured the situation perfectly. But I don’t get why more people don’t see through Trump. Especially with so many better possibilities all around.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Just saw this from George Will. If you read anything today, read this - it is a treat. And don’t miss the last paragraph. Or the yellow clothing patches…

George F. Will - August 21, 2015
It has come to this: The GOP, formerly the party of Lincoln and ostensibly the party of liberty and limited government, is being defined by clamors for a mass roundup and deportation of millions of human beings. To will an end is to will the means for the end, so the Republican clamors are also for the requisite expansion of government’s size and coercive powers.

Most of Donald Trump’s normally loquacious rivals are swaggeringly eager to confront Vladimir Putin but are too invertebrate — Lindsey Graham is an honorable exception — to voice robust disgust with Trump and the spirit of, the police measures necessary for and the cruelties that would accompany his policy. The policy is: “They’ve got to go.”

“They,” the approximately 11.3 million illegal immigrants (down from 12.2 million in 2007), have these attributes: Eighty-eight percent have been here at least five years. Of the 62 percent who have been here at least 10 years, about 45 percent own their own homes. About half have children who were born here and hence are citizens. Dara Lind of Vox reports that at least 4.5 million children who are citizens have at least one parent who is an illegal immigrant.

Trump evidently plans to deport almost 10 percent of California’s workers and 13 percent of that state’s K-12 students. He is, however, at his most Republican when he honors family values: He proposes to deport intact families, including children who are citizens. “We have to keep the families together,” he says, “but they have to go.” Trump would deport everyone, then “have an expedited way of getting them “the good ones”; “when somebody is terrific”] back.” Big Brother government will identify the “good” and “terrific” from among the wretched refuse of other teeming shores.

Trump proposes seizing money that illegal immigrants from Mexico try to send home. This might involve sacrificing mail privacy, but desperate times require desperate measures. He would vastly enlarge the federal government’s enforcement apparatus, but he who praises single-payer health-care systems and favors vast eminent domain powers has never made a fetish of small government.

Today’s big government finds running Amtrak too large a challenge, and Trump’s roundup would be about 94 times larger than the wartime internment of 117,000 persons of Japanese descent. But Trump wants America to think big. The big costs, in decades and dollars (hundreds of billions), of Trump’s project could be reduced if, say, the targets were required to sew yellow patches on their clothing to advertise their coming expulsion. There is precedent.

Birthright citizenship, established by the 14th Amendment and opposed by Trump and his emulators, accords with America’s natural-rights doctrine. Arguably, this policy is unwise. But is this an argument Republicans should foment in the toxic atmosphere Trump has created, an argument that would injure the next Republican nominee even more than Mitt Romney injured himself? Romney, who advocated making illegal immigrants’ lives so unpleasant they would “self-deport,” might be president if he had received 10 points more than his 27 percent of the Hispanic vote.

About 900,000 of America’s Hispanic citizens reach voting age each year. In 2012, less than half of eligible Hispanics voted, but Republicans have figured out how to increase Hispanic turnout.

A substantial majority of Americans — majorities in all states — and, in some polls, a narrow majority of Republicans favor a path for illegal immigrants not just to legal status but to citizenship. Less than 20 percent of Americans favor comprehensive deportation.

This may, however, be changing now that so many supposed Republicans embrace a candidate who, six years into Ronald Reagan’s presidency, disparaged Ronald Reagan as someone who tried to “con” the public. Looking on the bright side, perhaps Trump supporters are amiably broadminded in their embrace of a candidate who thinks we cannot presently be proud to be American citizens (he says his presidency will enable us to again be proud).

If, after November 2016, there are autopsies of Republican presidential hopes, political coroners will stress the immigration-related rhetoric of August 2015. And of October 1884.

Then, the Republican presidential nominee, former senator James G. Blaine, returning home to Maine in the campaign’s closing days, attended a New York rally on his behalf, where a prominent Protestant clergyman said Democrats were a party of “rum, Romanism and rebellion.” Catholics, many of them immigrants, noticed. Blaine lost New York, and with it the presidency, by 1,200 votes out of more than 1 million cast.

washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-losing-immigration-policy/2015/08/21/b58a6d9e-4771-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html

 

[Vanny]

Just saw this from George Will. If you read anything today, read this - it is a treat. And don’t miss the last paragraph. Or the yellow clothing patches…

washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-losing-immigration-policy/2015/08/21/b58a6d9e-4771-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html

Good post!! See, there is no way he can follow up on these claims to deport 11 million people? Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it?
My hope is in the coming debates- I’m hoping these will make Republicans take another look at the other good candidates out there(and Trump did not do well in the last debate in my opinion.)

 

[Path_Finder]

timesheraldonline.com/opinion/20150821/george-will-trump-defines-down-the-gop
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Editor’s note: The columnist’s wife, Mari Will, works for Scott Walker.

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Just saw this from George Will. If you read anything today, read this - it is a treat. And don’t miss the last paragraph. Or the yellow clothing patches…

Yellow Patches? OH my is this hyperbole or what? And when Harry Truman and Eisenhower deported, does this apply to them? Are we to talk back and say that those who don’t want to enforce the law dance on the graves of those killed by illegals?

Really, people are in this country illegally and now, those who want to deport them are the equals of the Nazis, just so we see this silly hyperbole for what it is besides demonizing others, but what other argument can you have when you are allowing law breaking. Perhaps amnesty should be given to so many people who have had minor brushes with the law.

Astonishing, so it bears repeating, anyone who believes America is for Americans and that trespassers should be returned to their own nation are the same as Nazis. So, then, Mexico, Canada, and so on, all belong on the list of Nazi nations.



You know that word that begins with “W”? That same word is in the Spanish language and begins with “M” and there is a word that begins with the word green to describe some North Americans, these words are so hateful, aren’t they?

Maybe some day, the USA will have beheadings, bodies hanging off of bridges like one sees in the country that borders us? Yes, we Americans are so bad.

Insult seems to be the only argument some have, ignore no matter how vicious the words. I guess, people want to put illegal immigrants in gas chambers.

Scott Walker’s book was “Unintimidated”, it seems that is a valid lesson.

 

[Path_Finder]

Good post!! See, there is no way he can follow up on these claims to deport 11 million people? Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it?
My hope is in the coming debates- I’m hoping these will make Republicans take another look at the other good candidates out there(and Trump did not do well in the last debate in my opinion.)

So, you think it is a good post where people equate those who enforce the laws of this country with making people wear yellow patches. In other words, the Nazis,

Why leave it at immigration, shoplifters, drunk drivers, when the police arrest them, they are making them wear yellow patches.

Can’t deport 11 million? And it could be 20 million or higher for all we know, we just let that number grow and grow? How about 90 million? Sounds like a good number.

Do you know how much illegals cost the government each year? So, that is okay? School systems, hospitals, all and in much of these, they pay Zero dollars in? How about those costs?

Eisenhower cleared millions and it sounds like it did not cost that much.

 

[Path_Finder]

This is why people like Putin too. He fights back, speaks his mind and hates free speech. He’s in a little better shape though - and probably a lot smarter.

Putin is merely a front for Establishment Russian politicians, Putin would be a definition of representing the Oligarchy, whatever the higher ups over there are. This Trump definitely is not.

Trump doesn’t like free speech?? Oh, because Jorge Ramos was making a speech of his own at one of his press conferences? That is somewhat what one would call harassment.

For the record, Ramos was told to sit down, he did not but kept on his own speech, I believe he is on the Kelly File, he is for open borders, an atheist, I don’t want the laws he would want to stick us with. Are we to use more hyperbole and say this is like the Invasion of the Sudetenland? Or better yet, Nanking?? Hyperbole can go both ways but if one’s arguments are to cast aspersions, so be it.

Maybe it’s like Jesse James robbing a bank, I mean, that money does belong to people who paid into the system. Hmmn.

He’s in a little better shape though - and probably a lot smarter.

Keep it up, that someone can only bring out insults, insulting talk of a human being speaks volumes but what can one say when enforcing the laws of this nation is equal to being like the Nazis.

 

[Path_Finder]

Again, Ted Cruz supporters should note, he has been somewhat supportive of Trump. Guess that makes him, oh, never mind.

 

[mary_bobo]

He referred patients to doctors who did do abortions in “extreme cases” , was a participant in some type of medical dissection of aborted babies brain cells, although he himself didn’t abort them, and was also said to say that a law forbidding abortion was wrong.

Dr. Carson is a pediatric neurosurgeon. Just what patients would he be referring to doctors who do abortions? I have not heard that he dissects babies, only does neurosurgery on them and if tissue is removed, it is sent to pathology. Every kind of surgery where tissue of any kind is removed is sent to pathology. I don’t understand how he is participating in abortion. Dr. Carson has no dealing with placentas or fetal stem cells. Please explain your post I don’t get it.

The dissection bothers me worse, because many liberals are defending the fetal cells from aborted babies as advancing medical science! This sounds like something a Nazi would say, and no I’m not particularly blaming Dr.Carson. But now medical science shows that adult stem cells work, not fetal ones. Furthermore fetal ones can be obtained from the placenta, so there’s no excuse for this,

 

[Crossbones]

??? He was tweeting personal slurs about her three weeks after she asked him why he had referred to women as disgusting and animals. After the incident had blown over for everyone else. How is that professional? Is Trump the standard by which we judge Kelly? I hope not. Compared to her he comes off like a nut. And I don’t really like her that much either.

The Republicans will pick the candidate that best represents their views. We’ll see how decide. I don’t see anything he’s done as a deal breaker except for those that are infatuated with Megyn Kelly.

 

[ringil]

Keep it up Donald! The longer you stay on top the better!!

 

[Path_Finder]

Keep it up Donald! The longer you stay on top the better!!

Well, I know everyone here will be voting against abortion; right? We all know that. I’d be ashamed of myself if I ever voted for the party of Planned Parenthood.

 

[Path_Finder]

Actually per above, the Republicans with Romney and McCain before, have generally tried to push through an “Establishment Pick”, Establishment or Elite, the candidates do not necessarily reflect the constituency and I’d think if Trump did not show up, J. Bush may be in that role now but I can’t help but think, Ted Cruz for example would put up a good challenge, some of the others as well.

 

[ringil]

Actually per above, the Republicans with Romney and McCain before, have generally tried to push through an “Establishment Pick”, Establishment or Elite, the candidates do not necessarily reflect the constituency and I’d think if Trump did not show up, J. Bush may be in that role now but I can’t help but think, Ted Cruz for example would put up a good challenge, some of the others as well.

What is the constituency of the GOP?

Can the GOP win the presidency depending upon the primary support of their key demographic?

 

[Path_Finder]

What is the constituency of the GOP?

Can the GOP win the presidency depending upon the primary support of their key demographic?

:clapping: I think we have a race card folks! Translation, “key demographic”

What’s their demographic? It’s American. As to your spin, the last time, The Democrats won the white vote majority in a presidential election is 1948, so if again, all we can hear from the Left is playing the Race Card, the Democrats ought to look into the mirror.

But I know, Catholics are a Constituency as well, Demographic and we know, it is sinful to vote for Abortion. And Democrats are defending the repulsive action of Planned Parenthood, how can anyone live with that?

As for the Democrats key demographic, it’s more of an underclass, one can look at such disasters they have ruled over for a long time like Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago to see that. Great, isn’t it!

Trump, he fights back, he speaks up, good. We all can learn from that.

 

[Crossbones]

:clapping: I think we have a race card folks!

What’s their demographic? It’s American. As to your spin, the last time, The Democrats won the white vote majority in a presidential election is 1948, so if again, all we can hear from the Left is playing the Race Card, the Democrats ought to look into the mirror.

But I know, Catholics are a Constituency as well, Demographic and we know, it is sinful to vote for Abortion. And Democrats are defending the repulsive action of Planned Parenthood, how can anyone live with that?

As for the Democrats key demographic, it’s more of an underclass, one can look at such disasters they have ruled over for a long time like Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago to see that. Great, isn’t it!

Trump, he fights back, he speaks up, good. We all can learn from that.

I don’t see the race card in ringil’s post at all.

 

[Path_Finder]

I don’t see the race card in ringil’s post at all.

“Key Demographic”, this means white people, it brings race into the equation.

 

[Path_Finder]

I saw MSNBC cover the Trump speech last week, Chris Matthews asked the reporter there, “are there any black people there?” Then, on Hannity, they showed a Bernie Sanders speech and all the people there as he walked past the crowd and you know what? You could have asked the same question “are there any black people there?” and there weren’t. I would postulate why would Chris Matthews even bring up his question? Even bring up race into the conversation?

I don’t see the race card in ringil’s post at all.

“Key Demographic”, this means white people, it brings race into the equation.

 

[Crossbones]

“Key Demographic”, this means white people, it brings race into the equation.

I was thinking that referred to socio-economic status or social concerns of the constituency, not race.

 

[DeniseNY]

I was thinking that referred to socio-economic status or social concerns of the constituency, not race.

It’s “code words” or “dog whistles” that Democrats are always accusing Republicans of using.