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It’s funny how Trump always meant something different than what he said.
No, he is often asserted to have said something he didn’t say, and this Judge Curiel business is one of those things.

I’ll certainly stipulate that Trump seems to have been under the impression that his ad lib way of speaking would be just fine. Common parlance is not, however the required “politicalspeak” all politicians are supposed to use. Perhaps Trump has learned his lesson, and perhaps not, which is to do what Clinton does and never, ever say anything that hasn’t been meticulously prepared and edited.

“Stream of consciousness” is not good in front of the media, which is why media interviews of Clinton are always staged and no hard questions are asked.

Trump needs to learn that, and maybe he has.

What Judge Curiel is, is a politically active judge; something that isn’t permitted in states like mine, but is apparently permitted of federal judges. Curiel’s political activities not only include supporting Hillary Clinton, they include raising scholarship funds for illegals, the very people Trump wants to exclude.

Now, in ruling on the motion for summary judgment, Judge Curiel did two things. First, even though the Plaintiff wanted to dismiss the case, Judge Curiel found another Plaintiff to carry the litigation forward. Judge Curiel also released untested plaintiff statements to the public, the press and most importantly, to the Clinton campaign. We’ll be seeing a lot of that in the months to come, and Judge Curiel had to know it. He also had to know it would poison the jury pool when the Clinton machine spreads it everywhere. Most judges won’t do that, and for the very reason that it taints juries.

But Judge Curiel did it anyway. Why?

It isn’t outrageous to imagine it was because he’s a Clinton supporter and has a sort of ethnic-based problem with Trump himself. Here’s Trump saying he wants to keep illegal immigrants out, and here’s Curiel raising money to send the illegals to college. And not just any illegals. The fund raising committee is part of the La Raza Lawyer’s Association of San Diego, whose focus is on the welfare of Hispanics only.

So, Trump should have either fully explained or not said the word “Mexican” at all.

But that’s how politics works in this country. Despite all the investigation the Clinton machine has certainly done on Trump, they have yet to come up with any evidence of real bias in intent or action on the part of Trump.

So, not being one of the members of congress who live in mortal dread of violating the political correctness of this regime, and have lost their credibility with the voters in part because of it, I’m not obliged to hurl “racist” at Trump in the absence of any evidence that he is a real one. I still have something of a right of free speech in this country, for now anyway.
 
I think that is called “damning with faint praise”.

Why bring up the issue of heritage if it is unimportant? Why not bring up the fact that the judge looks like he could be related to Justice Alito (which, in my opinion, he does)? Or that the moon is made up of cheese? Mr Trump wanted people thinking about this, relating the two facts whenever they think of the case, that is why he brought it up.
Maybe so, but I would be the first to say it was a bad move if so. Actually, I think it was one of those stream-of-consciousness things that he couldn’t go on to explain, or at least didn’t. People do that a lot, but it doesn’t matter most of the time and for most people.
 
I don’t care what Ryan said when the firestorm of racism accusations erupted. I heard it myself, as I am sure you have. Trump immediately followed that statement, in the same sentence, actually, “…which is fine”. He said nothing derogatory about the judge’s ethnicity, only that he believed the judge was biased against him.

As he sometimes is, Trump did not articulate what the real problems with the judge’s remaining in the case are. But there are problems with his remaining in the case.
Ridgerunner, be honest with yourself, and I hope me questioning you doesn’t get me an infraction like it did last week.

But, be honest, be a man. Had Hillary said that or Biden or Obama, had they said the same words, would you back them up? Be honest, don’t be political.
 
That’s just a small group. They don’t speak for every Hispanic in the country. I am Hispanic, and I live in Dallas, and every Hispanic that I have spoken with, and asked the question, has been upset by that comment. Some are even republicans.
It’s understandable that people don’t like Trump’s comments. I think you can believe the comment regarding Judge Curial was offensive, and derogatory without believing that Trump as a man is a racist or he that he intended to make a racist comment. You may not need me to tell you this but when I looked up the definition of “racism” it talks about the belief of superiority. Did Trump intend in his comment to elude or claim that Judge Curial was inferior because of his heritage? I doubt it. But again, you can’t see into his heart. But I think he probably deserves the benefit of the doubt because I think it’s doubtful that he intended to be racist/make a racist comment.
 
No, he is often asserted to have said something he didn’t say, and this Judge Curiel business is one of those things.

I’ll certainly stipulate that Trump seems to have been under the impression that his ad lib way of speaking would be just fine. Common parlance is not, however the required “politicalspeak” all politicians are supposed to use. Perhaps Trump has learned his lesson, and perhaps not, which is to do what Clinton does and never, ever say anything that hasn’t been meticulously prepared and edited.

“Stream of consciousness” is not good in front of the media, which is why media interviews of Clinton are always staged and no hard questions are asked.

Trump needs to learn that, and maybe he has.

What Judge Curiel is, is a politically active judge; something that isn’t permitted in states like mine, but is apparently permitted of federal judges. Curiel’s political activities not only include supporting Hillary Clinton, they include raising scholarship funds for illegals, the very people Trump wants to exclude.

Now, in ruling on the motion for summary judgment, Judge Curiel did two things. First, even though the Plaintiff wanted to dismiss the case, Judge Curiel found another Plaintiff to carry the litigation forward. Judge Curiel also released untested plaintiff statements to the public, the press and most importantly, to the Clinton campaign. We’ll be seeing a lot of that in the months to come, and Judge Curiel had to know it. He also had to know it would poison the jury pool when the Clinton machine spreads it everywhere. Most judges won’t do that, and for the very reason that it taints juries.

But Judge Curiel did it anyway. Why?

It isn’t outrageous to imagine it was because he’s a Clinton supporter and has a sort of ethnic-based problem with Trump himself. Here’s Trump saying he wants to keep illegal immigrants out, and here’s Curiel raising money to send the illegals to college. And not just any illegals. The fund raising committee is part of the La Raza Lawyer’s Association of San Diego, whose focus is on the welfare of Hispanics only.

So, Trump should have either fully explained or not said the word “Mexican” at all.

But that’s how politics works in this country. Despite all the investigation the Clinton machine has certainly done on Trump, they have yet to come up with any evidence of real bias in intent or action on the part of Trump.

So, not being one of the members of congress who live in mortal dread of violating the political correctness of this regime, and have lost their credibility with the voters in part because of it, I’m not obliged to hurl “racist” at Trump in the absence of any evidence that he is a real one. I still have something of a right of free speech in this country, for now anyway.
I am confident that Catholics can understand what Trump meant by his statements and can judge for themselves if Trump’s statements constitute racism. For lurkers and newcomers, it should be noted that, in your vigorous defense of Trump, you have also spent considerable effort explaining how Trump didn’t mean that he wanted to torture when he said the laws should be changed so that terrorists can be tortured and that Trump didn’t mean he would target enemy noncombatants when he said he would target the families of terrorists for ‘retribution’ to ‘make them suffer’.
 
:mad: How did you go from Greg G. to all republicans? Stretch of the imagination?
Ohhh and I’m sorry.

Kinda odd, bc you make the assumption that anyone who doesn’t vote for Trump supports abortion on demand. Kinda ironic isn’t it?
 
It’s understandable that people don’t like Trump’s comments. I think you can believe the comment regarding Judge Curial was offensive, and derogatory without believing that Trump as a man is a racist or he that he intended to make a racist comment. You may not need me to tell you this but when I looked up the definition of “racism” it talks about the belief of superiority. Did Trump intend in his comment to elude or claim that Judge Curial was inferior because of his heritage? I doubt it. But again, you can’t see into his heart. But I think he probably deserves the benefit of the doubt on this in terms of him probably not intending to be racist/make a racist comment. If he continued on defending the comment that would be different.
Look, some people might call it racism and some have (on both sides).

Now, this is not the first time he has gone after Hispanics, he has been close to that line too much in my opinion.

He can do what he did on 5 de Mayo were he had a taco salad and try to make things kissy kissy with Hispanics, but many are not going to say, “oh you know what, he eats Mexican food, he likes us”.

I get you, and I’m not arguing, I haven’t said his comments were racist, I just think it was uncalled for, considering his past statements.

Remember, if we don’t learn from the past were doomed to repeat it.
 
Ohhh and I’m sorry.

Kinda odd, bc you make the assumption that anyone who doesn’t vote for Trump supports abortion on demand. Kinda ironic isn’t it?
:eek: No I simply rightly point out that voting democrat with Hillary and being Catholic is problematic. 🙂 But lumping all Trumps followers and Rep in a name calling sounds kinda prejudice or something. :eek:
 
:eek: No I simply rightly point out that voting democrat with Hillary being Catholic is problematic. 🙂 But lumping all Trumps followers and Rep in a name calling sounds kinda prejudice or something. :eek:
So, do you know why all the people who vote for Hillary do it?

Blacks as a whole don’t like abortion, but they wont vote for republicans bc of several things, like the things that happened in the south.

Hispanics, we don’t support abortion or gay marriage, but we don’t want a party whose in favor of separating families.

The list goes on, not many do it bc of her abortion stance.

So what your doing, is prejudice or something.
 
So, do you know why all the people who vote for Hillary do it?
Brainwashing? 😃 I don’t know why every group of people do what they do and I don’t think you can claim more than an opinion in regards.😛
 
Brainwashing? 😃 I don’t know why every group of people do what they do and I don’t think you can claim more than an opinion in regards.😛
Well I actually go out and speak to people. In 2012, I was with a friend and politics was the point.

Someone in the table (a black man) said that he voted for Obama. My friend said, he supports abortion. This man said, look, I don’t support abortion, but I can never vote for a party that demeans my people.

Same thing with Hispanics.

Now, if you spoke to every black or Hispanic person in this country that will vote for HRC, will 100% say, they will vote for her, bc of how republicans speak about their people? Of course not, but I guarantee you 70% of them, would at one point or another say that.
 
Now, if you spoke to every black or Hispanic person in this country that will vote for HRC, will 100% say, they will vote for her, bc of how republicans speak about their people? Of course not, but I guarantee you 70% of them, would at one point or another say that.
This doesn’t sound american it sounds tribal or something. Its “we the people”, I’m not even sure that conversation is acceptable, we have to have the PC police check on it. I think your getting militant, you might be becoming radicalized on line. 😃
 
Ridgerunner, be honest with yourself, and I hope me questioning you doesn’t get me an infraction like it did last week.

But, be honest, be a man. Had Hillary said that or Biden or Obama, had they said the same words, would you back them up? Be honest, don’t be political.
Be assured if you got an infraction, it wasn’t me turning you in. I didn’t, and don’t believe in doing it. The only time I recall doing it was several years ago, and the reason wasn’t personal.

Election cycles seem to be infraction magnets, and not only for you.

It’s hard to make a direct comparison without inventing a scenario that doesn’t exist and would seem improbable. Well, there is one that’s mildly comparable. I recall the crack made by, I believe, Hillary Clinton, to the effect that Ghandi was a convenience store operator in St. Louis. I think I did compare that to the Trump utterance. My point was that both were stupid gaffes that probably didn’t mean anything more in the one case than it did in the other, but the Clinton one was quickly buried while the Trump one has been made a big deal.

But do I think Hillary Clinton is a racist because of that remark? No. That’s one of those dumb things people say in a lapse of “in the moment” judgment. I dislike her intensely, but not for that.

Personally, I think racism is both overblown and underestimated. People call things racist that aren’t and ignore things that are, particularly if they come out of their own mouths. I believe everybody is a racist in some sense, mostly quite mildly. But to me, the most important thing isn’t any of that.

I’m from a part of the “upper south” where there are almost no black people at all. When I went to college in a city, I was pretty unlettered in urban political correctness when it came to race. My fellow students were city kids, Catholic almost without exception, and they acted like a person was a howling racist if he didn’t go out of his way to befriend every black person there. Well, there were some of the black students I just didn’t like and, I think, for good reason. Being “up from the country” ignorant, I confessed to a priest that, try as I might, I just couldn’t like some black people.

“You don’t have to like them, you have to love them” he said. He explained that loving someone is desiring what’s good for them and, if occasion presents, to act on it. Real racism, he said, is desiring harm or worse, acting to harm.

I have not changed my view of racism since then. Nor have I changed my mind about some of the puffery and pretension that often accompanies disavowals of one’s own racism and extreme oversensitivity to it.

It’s possible, though not entirely impossible, that, in graduate school, I was the only white man in St. Louis given permission, at least in the otherwise all-black neighborhood in which I lived, to use the “N” word and live to tell about it. My “right” was affirmed by a black motorcycle gang I somehow befriended, because they came to realize I “meant it the same way” they mean it when they say it, not the way they think most white people mean by it. I know that sounds incredible, but it’s true.

And so, I have what probably most would now consider a “warped” view of racism. No, I don’t use the “N” word, but if some hillbilly or other says it, I almost never think anything of it because a lot of them never even got to the long ago politically acceptable word “negro”, let alone “black”, “Afro-American” and now “African American”. But if I was a black man with a flat tire on the road with no spare, the likelihood is that one of those hillbillies would be the one to stop and help me out.

I will admit I have had friendly arguments with local Hispanics who insist on distinguishing themselves from “white” people. Some of them are “whiter” than I am in appearance. I really don’t like hearing them say that, not because I think it denigrates me, but because I don’t really care for the self-separation it implies. And that’s why I don’t favor La Raza or anything that’s race-based, and I’m suspicious of any organization that announces itself as race-based, like that lawyers’ organization Judge Curiel belongs to.

Now we’ll see if I get an infraction for this post. 🙂
 
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