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utah_rose said:
No, her great great grandparents were not Cherokee, and they helped drive them out. Elizabeth is not only guilty of lying, she took a scholarship another truly Native American could have had. All politicians seem to be lying.
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Can you give evidence that Elizabeth Warren has no Native American ancestors? I think the evidence is somewhat inconclusive:
Warren’s family, including cousin Mapes, have no documentation of Native American affiliation, nor is there evidence that they are listed on any official tribal roll. While Senator Scott Brown, Warren’s opponent, has used this to question her truthfulness, many who assert such heritage are unable to document it, according to several scholars. During the late 1800s and early 1900s, many Native Americans did not join tribal rolls for a host of complex reasons, including residency requirements, fear of discrimination, and opposition to land allotment policies.
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In the absence of documentation, the family’s link to any Native American tribe is a matter of narrative inheritance or folklore, as Warren puts it. Even if Warren has some degree of Native American blood, it is unclear if it would meet conventional standards of what constitutes a minority.
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archive.boston.com/news/politics/2012/senate/2012/09/15/elizabeth-warren-family-has-mixed-memories-about-heritage/cPMflfaOlndM1jFbimJ4tM/singlepage.html
 
=Little Sheep;13933761]Democrats will align fully behind Hillary, especially after Senator Sanders endorses her, which will be sooner rather than later. This is why a 3rd Party Conservative candidate will not harm her campaign.
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A lot of Sanders supporters are not very keen on the Democratic front runner. Just because Sanders may endorse her doesn’t mean his followers will necessarily follow suit.
Republicans remain seriously fractured and a 3rd Party Conservative candidate would seep votes away from the eventual nominee.
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A third party candidate will mostly likely hand the election to the Democrats. That’s how third party politics works in America. I’m sure the GOP establishment is mulling over its options, which I am fine with since the Trump vote was clearly about emotion (which the GOP will never beat the left on, frankly) but I doubt they have someone like Ted Cruz or Scott Walker in mind for the job.

The Democrat’s aren’t exactly united either and haven’t been for some time.
 
Little_Sheep said:
The things he says about good men and women chills me to the bone. Thanks for the compendium.
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So an election for the most powerful position in the world ought to be about what someone says and the media spin on that person’s comments? :ehh:
 
chero23 said:
Here’s an article that I found. The 7 poorest states are republican, and 9 out of 10.

So yeah your right.
blogs.voanews.com/all-about-america/2015/09/21/these-are-americas-richest-poorest-states/
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I know the article you posted is from 2015 which is after the 2014 middterm election, but it has been claimed before that the ten poorest states were Republican (see following link) but as of 2014 according to the following article, “Democrats currently control 3 Governorships, and 5 legislative bodies. Government is shared between Democrats and Republicans in 3 out of the 10 and the second poorest state is completely controlled by Democrats.”

So as of after the 2014 midterm elections, what has changed in regards to the legislative and governor makeup in those states? The ten poorest states prior to the 2014 midterm elections were not all Republican controlled! Not even seven of the poorest rates were all Republican controlled, were they as of prior to those midterm elections?!

Also from that article: “It’s also important to know that, until recently, the South was controlled by Democrats for a very long time (from Reconstruction until the early 2000s). Republicans didn’t hold majorities in the South until after the 2010 elections. So if we’re indicting policies, here, shouldn’t we be looking at centuries of Democrat rule, not just years of Republican rule?”
 
chero23 said:
Plus being conservative doesn’t necessarily mean your free from any fault or wrongdoing.
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I agree, but I think there’s some misconceptions. Catholic conservatives do not see voting republican as the end-all, be-all solution. In fact, many of them will say it’s the lesser of two evils, especially this year.
 
How likely are Bernie Sanders supporters to actually vote for Donald Trump? Here are some clues.

washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/24/how-likely-are-bernie-sanders-supporters-to-actually-vote-for-donald-trump-here-are-some-clues/
For the most part, supporters of Sanders view Trump about as negatively as supporters of Clinton do. Less than 20 percent see Trump in a favorable light — but they are also much more likely to view Clinton negatively. More than half have a negative opinion of the front-runner.
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The poll finds 20% of Sanders supporters support Trump, 69% support Clinton, and a percentage neither.
 
_Abyssinia said:
How likely are Bernie Sanders supporters to actually vote for Donald Trump? Here are some clues.

washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/24/how-likely-are-bernie-sanders-supporters-to-actually-vote-for-donald-trump-here-are-some-clues/

The poll finds 20% of Sanders supporters support Trump, 69% support Clinton, and a percentage neither, not sure what that percentage number is.
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I find it somewhat odd that Republicans and conservatives on here keep saying Sanders supporters won’t support Hillary when just a few short wks ago the rage in GOP circles was #never Trump and the world was expecting riots in Cleveland. But now that the dust has settled in the GOP primary, more Republican voters have come to Trump’s side. Although there certainly are still hold outs such as Jeb Bush.

I actually find 69% a good number at this point. In every contested primary, there is talk of the losing side not supporting the winner. And guess what? They usually do for the most part. Bernie has run a phenomenal campaign. But Hillary has beaten him. She has 3 million more votes than he does and she is winning because more Democrats want her to be the nominee.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/

I voted for Bernie. And I’m already set to be on board with Hillary even before he endorses her. More importantly, Bernie has been very clear that he will do everything he can to make sure Donald Trump does not get near the Presidency, saying we can not allow that to happen. And I think as he makes that case more and more, more of his supporters will come to see what Bernie means and will come around.

And let’s also not forget President Obama hasn’t even begun to hit the trail yet for Hillary in places where he remains much more popular than he does on CAF. His approval is over 50% and tops even such a Republican favorite, Ronald Reagan, at a similar point in his Presidency. And even much higher among voters age 18-29, many of whom have been Sanders supporters.

salon.com/2016/05/04/more_popular_than_reagan_the_press_refuses_to_give_obama_his_due_partner/

Will 100% of Sanders supporters back Hillary? No. Of course not. But neither will 100% of the “never Trump movement” or 100% of those who voted for another Republican candidate in their primary.
 
utah_rose said:
This woman will never ever vote for Hillary or for the Democratic Party, and don’t be too sure if she won’t be in trouble because of her emails. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s an upset, like Biden, Bernie, or yes even Elizabeth Warren running.
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And this man will never vote for Trump. But that doesn’t mean most men of my race and age won’t. Anymore than you not voting for Hillary means most women will won’t. 🤷
 
Sy Noe;13933873]I find it somewhat odd that Republicans and conservatives on here keep saying Sanders supporters won’t support Hillary when just a few short wks ago the rage in GOP circles was #never Trump and the world was expecting riots in Cleveland. But now that the dust has settled in the GOP primary, more Republican voters have come to Trump’s side. Although there certainly are still hold outs such as Jeb Bush.
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That’s just from the horse’s mouth, so to speak. All the strategists know that some Sanders supporters will support Clinton and surely but slowly its dawning on people on the GOP side that the country cannot take four more years of failed liberal policies. The interest on the national debt is already the third largest expense, for one.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/
I voted for Bernie. And I’m already set to be on board with Hillary even before he endorses her. More importantly, Bernie has been very clear that he will do everything he can to make sure Donald Trump does not get near the Presidency, saying we can not allow that to happen.
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So he’s making sure that Trump doesn’t win by staying in a race he cannot win and is forcing the frontunner to spend hundreds of millions in the primary? :ehh:
And let’s also not forget President Obama hasn’t even begun to hit the trail yet for Hillary in places where he remains much more popular than he does on CAF.
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I don’t think Obama or Bernie is going to be as much of a factor as the left is hoping. The fact is Obama hasn’t made life better for Blacks, Hispanics or Millennials in large part.
His approval is over 50% and tops even such a Republican favorite, Ronald Reagan, at a similar point in his Presidency. And even much higher among voters age 18-29, many of whom have been Sanders supporters.
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It figures Salon would say such things. However, El Rushbo has a different take, that people support, generally, Obama because they don’t care so much what he does as he really isn’t making waves for good or ill, and he gets more support just because of how he looks. But that does not translate into votes for other Demcorats, otherwise, he would be campaigning more.

Frankly, I think most any past president who campaigns (with the possible exception of George H Bush who is just too old) would be a detriment or they’d be out there already.
 
SuperLuigi said:
That’s just from the horse’s mouth, so to speak. All the strategists know that some Sanders supporters will support Clinton and surely but slowly its dawning on people on the GOP side that the country cannot take four more years of failed liberal policies. The interest on the national debt is already the third largest expense, for one.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/

So he’s making sure that Trump doesn’t win by staying in a race he cannot win and is forcing the frontunner to spend hundreds of millions in the primary? :ehh:

I don’t think Obama or Bernie is going to be as much of a factor as the left is hoping. The fact is Obama hasn’t made life better for Blacks, Hispanics or Millennials in large part.

It figures Salon would say such things. However, El Rushbo has a different take, that people support, generally, Obama because they don’t care so much what he does as he really isn’t making waves for good or ill, and he gets more support just because of how he looks. But that does not translate into votes for other Demcorats, otherwise, he would be campaigning more.

Frankly, I think most any past president who campaigns (with the possible exception of George H Bush who is just too old) would be a detriment or they’d be out there already.
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Not exactly. He is staying in the race to give his supporters a chance to vote for him in states that haven’t voted yet, to let it play out, to see how it ends, and to have influence at the convention. Well I don’t see blacks and Hispanics and Millennials flocking to the GOP. And Obama merely seems to be waiting for the primary process to play out.
 
Sy_Noe said:
I find it somewhat odd that Republicans and conservatives on here keep saying Sanders supporters won’t support Hillary when just a few short wks ago the rage in GOP circles was #never Trump and the world was expecting riots in Cleveland. But now that the dust has settled in the GOP primary, more Republican voters have come to Trump’s side. Although there certainly are still hold outs such as Jeb Bush.

I actually find 69% a good number at this point. In every contested primary, there is talk of the losing side not supporting the winner. And guess what? They usually do for the most part. Bernie has run a phenomenal campaign. But Hillary has beaten him. She has 3 million more votes than he does and she is winning because more Democrats want her to be the nominee.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/

I voted for Bernie. And I’m already set to be on board with Hillary even before he endorses her. More importantly, Bernie has been very clear that he will do everything he can to make sure Donald Trump does not get near the Presidency, saying we can not allow that to happen. And I think as he makes that case more and more, more of his supporters will come to see what Bernie means and will come around.

And let’s also not forget President Obama hasn’t even begun to hit the trail yet for Hillary in places where he remains much more popular than he does on CAF. His approval is over 50% and tops even such a Republican favorite, Ronald Reagan, at a similar point in his Presidency. And even much higher among voters age 18-29, many of whom have been Sanders supporters.

salon.com/2016/05/04/more_popular_than_reagan_the_press_refuses_to_give_obama_his_due_partner/

Will 100% of Sanders supporters back Hillary? No. Of course not. But neither will 100% of the “never Trump movement” or 100% of those who voted for another Republican candidate in their primary.
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There is article after article talking about Sanders supporters supporting Trump. This isn’t just coming from conservatives/Republicans but mainstream media.
 
Sy Noe;13933974]Not exactly. He is staying in the race to give his supporters a chance to vote for him in states that haven’t voted yet, to let it play out, to see how it ends, and to have influence at the convention.
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That would be the conventional thinking. I just wonder how many of his supporters think he ever had a real chance.
Well I don’t see blacks and Hispanics and Millennials flocking to the GOP. And Obama merely seems to be waiting for the primary process to play out.
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If they were flocking to the GOP, the Democrats would be in serious trouble as a political party.

Barack Obama will not be able to campaign that much. If he does, it could seriously backfire.
 
chero23 said:
But you cannot say with a straight face that Trump is a true conservative. Read the posts, read the replies and comments throughout the web. Read what people post on right wing Fox News about trump.

Trump is a loose cannon that will hurt a lot of people worldwide.
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Trump has claimed to be a ‘practical conservative’ which is why he’ll win.
True Conservatives don’t win elections.
Heck, Bush, McCain and Romney were not True Conservatives.
 
Theo520 said:
Trump has claimed to be a ‘practical conservative’ which is why he’ll win.
True Conservatives don’t win elections.
Heck, Bush, McCain and Romney were not True Conservatives.
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Yet Out of the 3 men that you mentioned, 1 was elected.

Bush was seen as a true conservative according to right wing Fox News.
 
chero23 said:
Yet Out of the 3 men that you mentioned, 1 was elected.

Bush was seen as a true conservative according to right wing Fox News.
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Nope, Bush’s policies created the whole Tea Party movement as a protest.
 
This whole discussion about where the Sanders support will go is fascinating. Posters keep stating with confidence where these 18-29 voters will go if (probably when) Sanders endorses Clinton. Some say Clinton, some say Trump.

The fact of the matter is that this will be the first election for many of them and this group is very different from other age groups of years past. Many people pretty much know what Clinton and Trump are all about because the older generations have experienced life and have seen them both in action.

However, first-time voters (and there are a lot of them) do not know these candidates’ history. It is difficult to say whether Millenials will ever pull the switch for Clinton if Sanders endorces her. No one can say for certain if they will pull the lever for Trump. There’s enough of these Millenials to swing the election either way.

There’s evidence on both sides that Millenials will go the route of Clinton or go the route of Trump. Time will tell I suppose. It’s all speculation until Election Day.
 
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