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Groups like “Catholic Answers” came up with “5 non negotiables”.
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What does the CCC have to say about these?

Yes Catholic answer might have come up with those five non-negotiables but they come straight from Catholic teaching.
**Abortion: **CCC 2270-2273
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Ask yourself, how can you negotiate an abortion? Partial birth? Hah, that results in complete death.
So called Safe abortion results in death of the child.
Abortion is an intrinsic evil that cannot be negotiated

How can you negotiate a pregnancy? Can a woman be only slightly pregnant?

Homosexual marriages – CCC 2357-2359 Homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. Thus, how an they be negotiated? Marriage is between a man and a woman CCC 2331-2336 and CCC 2360-2369

**Euthanasia **CCC 2276-2279 – Morally unacceptable
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Human Cloning – See PONTIFICIA ACADEMIA PRO VITA – Reflections on cloning

Embryonic stem cell research – see PONTIFICAL ACADEMY FOR LIFE
DECLARATION ON THE PRODUCTION AND THE SCIENTIFIC AND THERAPEUTIC USE OF HUMAN EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS
In part it states: Is it morally licit to produce and/or use living human embryos for the preparation of ES cells? The answer is negative,

And these are just quick searches. Whether or not they are from Catholic Answers these should answer the question on whether these five non-negotiables are taught by the Church or not.
 
Darryl1958 said:
I agree.
Trump appeals to the worst fears in people, specifically their xenophobia about people streaming in over the border with no intention of adopting the values of their new country. This is a stereotype that more than enough people have come to believe in precisely because of people waiving the Mexican flag in their faces and burning the American one as they are stomping it underfoot.

Democrats are as much to blame for the current state of affairs due to their identity politics and thereby implicitly encouraging this kind of thing. The more that Hispanics blend into the American mosaic, they less they can be counted upon as the Democratic voting block that they now are.
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Democrats like Clinton and Obama are extremely skilled at dividing people and turning them against one another, particularly through their use of identity politics. Which may be why they seem less surpised at Trump than Republicans are.
 
Darryl1958 said:
The more that Hispanics blend into the American mosaic, they less they can be counted upon as the Democratic voting block that they now are.
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Donald Trump has probably alienated Hispanics from the Republican party for a generation or longer just like Barry Goldwater did for African Americans.
 
As a Catholic White heterosexual gun owning male, I feel totally alienated from the Democratic Party.
 
Seamus_L said:
As a Catholic White heterosexual gun owning male, I feel totally alienated from the Democratic Party.
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Of course with their identity politics your suppose to feel that way and its been that way right along. I think democrats are comical talking about Trump and racism etc Welcome to the club with the rest of us. 👍.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Point made by a Republican strategist

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/283688-trumps-campaign-hits-a-wall
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Good to know. It is still early days. I think there will be a lot of soul searching before this is over on both sides. A lot of people will really think about this decision. I don’t know how many people just vote the party line anymore.

I do feel when I look at the Republicans like they are just committing suicide. Not unlike the way Obama has probably felt watching them for 8 years. What dingbats. I mean we are basically stuck with Trump at this late stage in the game. Get in there and help him, don’t help the Democrats dig his grave.

Again, we are still so early on - time here is a real gift. Because of that, I would be afraid to call it given that anything can happen between now and November. But it has been a few grim weeks for Trump, no doubt. I can’t figure out how I can see how dire this all is and Paul Ryan can’t. Neither of us like Trump, so it’s not that.
 
Crossbones said:
Did GHW Bush have 70% unfavorables?
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I don’t think so based on what the following article shows. It says also, “Clinton and Trump are both more strongly disliked than any nominee at this point in the past 10 presidential cycles.”
Dukakis was clearly more strongly liked than George H.W. Bush in 1988 at this point in the campaign, and it was Bush who went on to win the election. George W. Bush, in 2000, was also more strongly liked than Al Gore at this point, and the 2000 election ended up being really close. That is, there is time for these impressions to change.
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fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/
 
TobyLue said:
I am Catholic loyal to the Pope. I’m also a first generation American of Mexican descent. It bugs the heck out of me when I see protesters against Trump or anything Republican to be waiving the Mexican Flag. Why did they come here in the first place? Because their government would not supply them with their needs. Both of my parents came here during the revolution and one of the factions took a large ranch from my moms father and was told to leave or die. They lived in the hills in caves and where ever they could until their oldest son made arrangements (legally) for him and the whole family to migrate to the US.

Growing up I was told that as Mexican American we were to vote Democrat all the time so I did. The Demos are for the poor, for the Mexican, etc., etc. Later I started thinking for myself and realize that it seems the Demos were against most if not all the teachings of the CC. Abortion, gay marriages, open borders, etc. My parents had to wait for several years and it was hard for them to come legally to the US and for many years each year they had to renew their green card. They did not complain. But now many come here illegally as they don’t want to go through the process and when they are here they want the best the US can give them, many prefer to be on welfare, food stamps than go out and find jobs. However, they still want to wave their Mexican flags and holler that much of SW US belongs still to Mexico. I say it they don’t want to abide by US laws, then go back to Mexico and wave your Mexican flag all you want.

Even though I may not be a big fan of Trump, I definitely am no fan of Clinton and the Demos who want to legalize all illegals simply for their vote. So my vote will be more against Clinton than for Trump.

I also will NOT, not now, or ever again vote for a party that spits on the face of the CC with their abortion rights (which is not a right actually-the US Constitution guarantees the right of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness but how an you have liberty and pursue happiness when the life of the unborn is murdered in the womb) and gay marriage rights, which is against CC teachings.

Think about it: If Catholics would only vote according to Church teachings and follow the Church regarding the Non-Negotiables, I feel that this country would change almost overnight for the better. BTW the five non-negotiables are: abortion, homosexual marriage, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research and human cloning. Now you tell me which party is for all of those, and which party is against most of these? I would vote for the lesser of two evils.
Look up the Voters Guide for Serious Catholics . Also look at how many Democratic representatives call themselves “Catholic” but spit in the face of the CC and the Pope by going against Catholic Teachings. They are what I call CINO Catholics In Name Only.
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Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness is the Declaration of Independence – but I agree with you.
 
_Abyssinia said:
I don’t think so based on what the following article shows. It says also, “Clinton and Trump are both more strongly disliked than any nominee at this point in the past 10 presidential cycles.”

fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/
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I can believe it.

What’s sad, on the Dem side, is that they couldn’t get someone like Joe Biden to run against her.

What’s sad, on the Rep side, is that they ***did ***have good candidates … who split up the votes amongst themselves, thus allowing a victory with 40% of the vote.
 
Peter_J said:
I can believe it.

What’s sad, on the Dem side, is that they couldn’t get someone like Joe Biden to run against her.

What’s sad, on the Rep side, is that they ***did ***have good candidates … who split up the votes amongst themselves, thus allowing a victory with 40% of the vote.
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On the Dem side, I think that Biden would have ran if not for the death of his son. I can only imagine how awful that can be.

On the Republican side, I think the rank and file Republicans picked who represented them best. I agree it’s sad, but that’s who a plurality, if not the majority of the Republican electorate are now.
 
I saw a good comment online:

Donald Trump must be a fairy godmother, because he’s making Hillary look like Cinderella at the ball.

😉
 
Peter_J said:
Democrats like Clinton and Obama are extremely skilled at dividing people and turning them against one another, particularly through their use of identity politics. Which may be why they seem less surprised at Trump than Republicans are.
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I find Trump and Democrats as a whole equally hard to stomach. The ideal of forging one people out of the diverse peoples on the earth is the quintessentially American idea that Identity politics crassly rejects at the pursuit of power at all costs.

Trump is the ultimate Democrat victory. You can virtually hear the Democrats licking their lips and salivating as a result of identity politics now entering into the Republican fray.
 
Peter_J said:
Democrats like Clinton and Obama are extremely skilled at dividing people and turning them against one another, particularly through their use of identity politics. Which may be why they seem less surpised at Trump than Republicans are.
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Right out of “Rules for Radicals”.
 
Peter_J said:
It’s funny really: Trump used his own money to campaign against Republicans, but not against Democrats, yet Democrats are the ones complaining about it.
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From what I understand by recent exposés is that at least some of that Trump money is ill-begotten – cheating on taxes and not paying bills. Apparently some of those 35,000 lawsuits against him are about him underpaying or not paying for work and supplies. One small contracting business with 20 employees ended up going out of business because Trump only paid about 30% of the bill, even though Trump admitted he had not paid the full amount and offered to hire the company to do more work (indicating that it was NOT because the work was shoddy or any other reason for non-payment). Other lawsuits are from various workers he did not pay…low wage-earners who really have a hard time hiring lawyers and filing lawsuits (and good luck winning against the rich and powerful).

Then there is the issue of Trump’s ruthless philandering and marital infidelities. If one voted against Bill Clinton for it, then one really should vote against Trump for it.

Lump on his racism and lack of experience in governing, then it’s truly amazing that anyone could vote for the man, unless, of course, they share his views and are fine with his immoralities, including stiffing the poor.

But my main issue always will be life and his huge threat to life on planet earth by his anti-environmentalism and complete willingness to pollute, poison, and let climate change spiral out of control…whether or not he actually understands environmental issues. His lack of environmental understanding being all the more reason definitely NOT to vote for such a unwitting, clueless would-be mass killer.

If one thought he’d be changing his tune to a pro-life, pro-environment (pro-God’s creation that sustains us) stance after he became the presumptive nominee, that has not panned out at all. He is Mr. Pro-Death! And I had thought no one could be more pro-death and anti-environmental than Ted Cruz (totally in the pockets of the oil industry).
 
lynnvinc said:
From what I understand by recent exposés is that at least some of that Trump money is ill-begotten – cheating on taxes and not paying bills. Apparently some of those 35,000 lawsuits against him are about him underpaying or not paying for work and supplies. One small contracting business with 20 employees ended up going out of business because Trump only paid about 30% of the bill, even though Trump admitted he had not paid the full amount and offered to hire the company to do more work (indicating that it was NOT because the work was shoddy or any other reason for non-payment). Other lawsuits are from various workers he did not pay…low wage-earners who really have a hard time hiring lawyers and filing lawsuits (and good luck winning against the rich and powerful).

Then there is the issue of Trump’s ruthless philandering and marital infidelities. If one voted against Bill Clinton for it, then one really should vote against Trump for it.

Lump on his racism and lack of experience in governing, then it’s truly amazing that anyone could vote for the man, unless, of course, they share his views and are fine with his immoralities, including stiffing the poor.

But my main issue always will be life and his huge threat to life on planet earth by his anti-environmentalism and complete willingness to pollute, poison, and let climate change spiral out of control…whether or not he actually understands environmental issues. His lack of environmental understanding being all the more reason definitely NOT to vote for such a unwitting, clueless would-be mass killer.

If one thought he’d be changing his tune to a pro-life, pro-environment (pro-God’s creation that sustains us) stance after he became the presumptive nominee, that has not panned out at all. He is Mr. Pro-Death! And I had thought no one could be more pro-death and anti-environmental than Ted Cruz (totally in the pockets of the oil industry).
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Interesting that one who thinks the big issue is MMGW would think to add the man’s sexual history into the polemic.

Usual Hillary Clinton stuff. But I guess it makes a certain degree of sense. The more children Clinton and her party aid in killing, the fewer people there will be to drive cars, heat their houses, eat food, etc.

As to the economic thing, remember that Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors of Walmart, the biggest buyer of goods produced by China which relentlessly pollutes the environment, uses slave labor, creates deserts, etc.

And, of course, China was a big contributor to Bill Clinton’s campaigns, whereupon he gave China “most favored nation” trading status.

The question environmentalists have to ask themselves is whether they can outbid the oil kingdoms and China for Hillary Clinton’s allegiance. My guess is that they can’t even come close.
 
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