Donald Trump Presidential Campaign Thread

[tomarin]

You may “think” Trump can be bought but we “know” the Clinton can

It’s reciprocal - Trump does the buying, Clinton the being bought.

 

[Ridgerunner]

And you think that Trump can’t be bought? One has to wonder why he, a reputed billionaire, was involved in a business venture like Trump University which didn’t make him that much money but used unsavory practices. I think Trump will try to make money any way he can.

The difference being he has no history of selling out the country, whereas Hillary does.

Trump is, I’m sure, a tough guy to do business with, just as Hillary’s Walmart is. But that doesn’t make him a sellout, any more than Walmart is a sellout. Both sell what people want to buy and what they produce. Sometimes it works well and sometimes it doesn’t.

But Hillary sells what isn’t hers to sell. She sells her positions of power to others who can even be enemies of the U.S. In short, she sells me, you and our offspring.

But then, a woman who is okay with PP selling baby body parts isn’t going to shrink from selling anything for money, no matter how odious the transaction.

 

[Peter_J]

He’s not a man but a man-child, with the emotional maturity of a toddler who hasn’t had breakfast.

Who are you, Steven Colbert?

 

[Peter_J]

He is the presumptive nominee and he has high unfavourables, but he is running against a presumptive nominee on the Democratic side who doesn’t have high favourables… so, there may be room for change perhaps for both in regards to unfavourables and favourables. If Trump chooses a really good VP choice, it may have an effect of moderating his image (probably not his policy positions), and increasing his favourables.

Is Trump trying to moderate his image? I’m not so sure.

 

[adowcday]

The difference being he has no history of selling out the country, whereas Hillary does.

That’s right – Trump has no history of public service whatsoever. He is very unlikely to care about the needs of the poor and middle class. He has given no evidence of compassion or of advancing any interest other than his own. If you want the billionaire class to run this country, then Trump’s your guy.

 

[Crossbones]

That’s right – Trump has no history of public service whatsoever. He is very unlikely to care about the needs of the poor and middle class. He has given no evidence of compassion or of advancing any interest other than his own. If you want the billionaire class to run this country, then Trump’s your guy.

Well, we do know he tries not to pay his bills to the poor and middle class in his business dealings. If a public service is acting honestly and fairly with those you do business with, Trump has failed.

 

[Thorolfr]

But Hillary sells what isn’t hers to sell. She sells her positions of power to others who can even be enemies of the U.S. In short, she sells me, you and our offspring.

If Hillary Clinton had been selling her position as Senator or as Secretary of State for money and there was proof of this, she’d be in jail by now. But I’ve never heard of any criminal investigation of her on this account.

 

[GaryTaylor]

That’s right – Trump has no history of public service whatsoever. He is very unlikely to care about the needs of the poor and middle class. He has given no evidence of compassion or of advancing any interest other than his own. If you want the billionaire class to run this country, then Trump’s your guy.

Both parties cater to their constitutes but Donald has like the Democrats compassion for those following him. As far as which party has done the most for the poor I would think the conservatives as far as tithing.

That said regardless as a Catholic while I get the point I expect a higher level than the tit for tat mentality.

 

[GaryTaylor]

The truth is that theology and revelation trump house rules.

The issue of being Catholic and Democrat is more serious than Guthrie imagines. “David Carlin, a veteran sociologist, philosophy professor, and author of ‘The Decline and Fall of the Catholic Church in America,’ shows that his party and his religion have now taken opposite sides in the Culture War.”

"Carlin’s arguments challenge all religious voters to ask themselves the same question, ‘Can a Catholic Be a Democrat?’ Then he asks, ‘How (did) the party I loved became the enemy of my religion.’

americanthinker.com/articles/2013/12/a_new_catholic_heresy.html

Trumps view I would imagine won’t change with his own identity politics until he see’s for himself its an issue. Its not just the Rep “est” as many campaign strategists suggest that much of the identity politics Trump has decided to play tit for tat with is un-needed and can be counter productive. Its about being better than that as I was saying.

I imagine his point is, “but I won so far by this same method” thus its a path to proceed. Unfortunate as I see, but who knows for sure as he bought himself the chance to lose too.

The important vote isn’t the 62 percent white but Christian America.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Further one can’t claim some odd connection to war and torture to Trump when Obama and contrary to his optics is back in Iraq “again” and the same areas being fought over. Only he is leading from behind with torture and war.

Government troops and Shia units known as the Popular Mobilisation Forces are leading the campaign to retake the city from ISIL.

They are supported by US-led coalition air strikes.

It is believed that up to 90,000 civilians are still inside Fallujah. And the clashes between the government forces and ISIL are causing casualties.

Al Jazeera’s Saleh said the death toll so far is based on estimates by medical sources from the city of Fallujah.

“They say it is in the hundreds,” he said.

Although the Iraqi government previously said it had a particular strategy to establish safe corridors for civilians in the city centre to leave, many have been reluctant to go for fear of how they may be treated by the Shia units.

The humanitarian crisis in Iraq has been dubbed one of the world’s worst by the UN.

aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/iraq-main-government-office-retaken-fallujah-160617102945144.html

Government troops and Shia units known as the Popular Mobilisation Forces are leading the campaign to retake the city from ISIL.

They are supported by US-led coalition air strikes.

Since 2014, a number of sectarian militias, collectively known as the Popular Mobilisation Forces or al-Hashd al-Shaabi, has played a major role in assisting the Iraqi armed forces in the fight against ISIL. But they have also been accused of perpetrating human rights abuses against civilians on sectarian basis.

They would put me face down, and start pulling the rope higher and higher. I felt that my limbs would be detached from my body. I lost consciousness several times during those days.

Abu Muhammad said he was beaten repeatedly for six days. “They would beat us with water pipes; they would take turns to torture us. My hands were tied behind my back, and one of the militants sat on my chest after he got tired of beating me. He just threw himself on me. I felt my ribs breaking. I screamed in pain; I spat blood. I asked for water, but I was denied even that.”

A week after their ordeal started, the Iraqi federal police arrived and moved the hundreds of detained men to the al-Mazraa military base, located east of Fallujah. They were held there for interrogation, then transferred to Amiriyat al-Fallujah.

Mahmoud al-Naji al-Shoukor, who also fled al-Azraqiyah, said he had “lost the will to live” as a result of his and his family’s treatment at the hands of the sectarian militia.

“I was humiliated by my countrymen for reasons I do not comprehend until now. My two brothers, Ahmad and Hussein al-Naji al-Shoukor, along with my two cousins Muthanna and Ahmad al-Naji al-Shoukor were detained the same night. But we still have not found them; they are still missing. I think they are dead - so I have nothing left to lose.”

While detained, Mahmoud said he saw civilians being slaughtered “like chicken”, and that he himself was very close to being executed. “They put some of us in a line on our knees, with our eyes blindfolded,” he said.

“They started taking us one by one. They killed several men before it was my turn. I could hear the men scream and beg the militia men to spare their lives - they were swearing that they never fought, and that they never joined ISIL - but that did not stop the militia fighters from killing them,” Mahmoud told Al Jazeera.

Obama non combatant policy of leading from behind and silent consent and implicit cooperation of letting those advised do the dirty work.

One of the fighters dragged me on the ground, saying that it is my turn to die. But at that moment I heard a voice saying that the killing has to stop, because the religious authority in al-Najaf [the religious leader of Iraq’s Shia, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani] had issued an order that was circulating among the militia men to stop the executions after the news of sectarian killings had been leaked."

aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/iraq-civilians-recall-days-hell-militia-160616060343081.html

Thats Obamas victory lap for the day.

 

[tomarin]

Who are you, Steven Colbert?

Yes, minus the salary.

 

[mary_bobo]

If Hillary Clinton had been selling her position as Senator or as Secretary of State for money and there was proof of this, she’d be in jail by now. But I’ve never heard of any criminal investigation of her on this account.

Welcome back to the country. You must have been on foreign soil not to hear what is going on i.e. the FBI investigation.

 

[mary_bobo]

That’s right – Trump has no history of public service whatsoever. He is very unlikely to care about the needs of the poor and middle class. He has given no evidence of compassion or of advancing any interest other than his own. If you want the billionaire class to run this country, then Trump’s your guy.

And you have proof of these allegations, no? Just because you don’t know if he has helped others or not does not mean that he has not.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Welcome back to the country.

 

[estesbob]

That’s right – Trump has no history of public service whatsoever. He is very unlikely to care about the needs of the poor and middle class. He has given no evidence of compassion or of advancing any interest other than his own. If you want the billionaire class to run this country, then Trump’s your guy.

And Hillary has no history of public service.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Am I the only person who has missed this (been watching Fox again - it’s possible). The GOP is in an all out war with Trump right now.

washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/16/donald-trump-prepared-to-go-it-alone-if-gop-wont-g/

GOP leaders have yet to abandon Donald Trump, but the presumptive Republican presidential nominee said this week he’s ready to kick them to the curb and go it alone against Hillary Clinton if they don’t man up.

In some of his most dismissive comments yet, Mr. Trump said other Republicans need to either get behind him or “just be quiet” — adding to the increasing heartburn among Republicans, particularly those on Capitol Hill whose electoral fortunes are tied to the erratic billionaire.

“You can’t make this up sometimes,” House Speaker Paul D. Ryan said at a press briefing Thursday on Capitol Hill.

Mr. Trump’s admonition came after several weeks of chiding from fellow Republicans who decried his proposal for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S., and who said his attacks on a federal judge’s ethnicity were unbecoming. Mr. Ryan had called it “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

“The Republicans, honestly, folks, our leaders, our leaders have to get tougher. This is too tough to do it alone. But you know what? I think I’m going to be forced to. I think I’m going to be forced to,” Mr. Trump said on Wednesday.

“Our leaders have to get a lot tougher. And be quiet. Just please be quiet. Don’t talk. Please be quiet. Just be quiet — to the leaders. Because they have to get tougher. They have to get sharper. They have to get smarter. We have to have our Republicans either stick together or let me just do it by myself. I’ll do very well,” Mr. Trump insisted.

GOP observers said Mr. Trump is playing with fire.

This article is from yesterday. I knew Trump was sinking in the polls and that Democrats are going at him like the Native Americans went at Custer, but now I am realizing that the conservatives are doing the same for the most part. John Kasich just came out and said he can’t support Trump. Wow. (how did I miss this I wonder) It’s over.

washingtonexaminer.com/noonan-trump-letting-his-supporters-down/article/2594207

Are they going to try and put Kasich or Scott Walker up at the convention?

 

[Darryl1958]

Am I the only person who has missed this (been watching Fox again - it’s possible). The GOP is in an all out war with Trump right now.

This article is from yesterday. I knew Trump was sinking in the polls and that Democrats are going at him like the Native Americans went at Custer, but now I am realizing that the conservatives are doing the same for the most part. John Kasich just came out and said he can’t support Trump. Wow. (how did I miss this I wonder) It’s over.

washingtonexaminer.com/noonan-trump-letting-his-supporters-down/article/2594207

Are they going to try and put Kasich or Scott Walker up at the convention?

I think that as they are coming to the realization that Trump has slim chances of going any further, even the opportunists now see no advantage of linking their names in with his.

 

[FollowChrist34]

I think that as they are coming to the realization that Trump has slim chances of going any further, even the opportunists now see no advantage of linking their names in with his.

Is there a Plan B?

 

[Ridgerunner]

If Hillary Clinton had been selling her position as Senator or as Secretary of State for money and there was proof of this, she’d be in jail by now. But I’ve never heard of any criminal investigation of her on this account.

The FBI has not said it’s a criminal investigation, but they are definitely investigating the Clinton Foundation, which is where a lot of the “pay to play” money goes. Imaginably the Clintons have been clever enough to put enough insulation between them and the bribes, but it’s hard to believe they did. Somebody nearly always rats out them out.

We’ll see. But it’s not over until it’s over.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Well, we do know he tries not to pay his bills to the poor and middle class in his business dealings. .

Actually, we don’t. That’s just a Democrat talking point.

We know there have been claims and lawsuits by people all over the financial spectrum. What we don’t know are the merits of the claims. We do know some people with whom he had disputes continue to do business with him. All large organizations have a number of claims going against them at any point in time. As I recall, there are some 5,000 of them going against Walmart in my state alone.

To know anything about them, one would have to know a lot more than we’re likely to know. If John files suit against Walmart directly, Walmart might have a cross claim against Joe, who has a cross claim against John and a counterclaim against Walmart.

Unless we know everything about all of the claims, we can’t actually know what it’s really all about.