Donald Trump Presidential Campaign Thread

[FollowChrist34]

Trump Ain’t Gonna Change

• Charles Krauthammer

This may turn out to be temporary, but it is a clear reflection of Trump’s disastrous general-election kickoff. His two-week expedition into racism in attacking the Indiana-born “Mexican” judge. His dabbling in conspiracy, from Ted Cruz’s father’s supposed involvement in the Kennedy assassination to Vince Foster’s (“very fishy”) suicide. All of which suggests, and cements, the image of a man who shoots from the hip and is prone to both wild theories and extreme policies.

Read more at: nationalreview.com/article/436717/donald-trump-wont-get-presidential

 

[Crossbones]

Am I the only person who has missed this (been watching Fox again - it’s possible). The GOP is in an all out war with Trump right now.

This article is from yesterday. I knew Trump was sinking in the polls and that Democrats are going at him like the Native Americans went at Custer, but now I am realizing that the conservatives are doing the same for the most part. John Kasich just came out and said he can’t support Trump. Wow. (how did I miss this I wonder) It’s over.

washingtonexaminer.com/noonan-trump-letting-his-supporters-down/article/2594207

Are they going to try and put Kasich or Scott Walker up at the convention?

I don’t think they can. As much as they might want to, both Walker and Kasich ran for President and lost to Trump. Towards the end, Kasich was one of three left and was still mostly losing to Trump (I think he finished above him in one state besides Ohio).

Trump will be the nominee because he is who the plurality (if not the majority) of Republicans thinks best represents them.

 

[FollowChrist34]

I don’t think they can. As much as they might want to, both Walker and Kasich ran for President and lost to Trump. Towards the end, Kasich was one of three left and was still mostly losing to Trump (I think he finished above him in one state besides Ohio).

Trump will be the nominee because he is who the plurality (if not the majority) of Republicans thinks best represents them.

? The Republicans are abandoning him.

I don’t even like the guy but at least I tried to get behind him. The GOP really is dysfunctional.

 

[Crossbones]

Actually, we don’t. That’s just a Democrat talking point.

We know there have been claims and lawsuits by people all over the financial spectrum. What we don’t know are the merits of the claims. We do know some people with whom he had disputes continue to do business with him. All large organizations have a number of claims going against them at any point in time. As I recall, there are some 5,000 of them going against Walmart in my state alone.

To know anything about them, one would have to know a lot more than we’re likely to know. If John files suit against Walmart directly, Walmart might have a cross claim against Joe, who has a cross claim against John and a counterclaim against Walmart.

Unless we know everything about all of the claims, we can’t actually know what it’s really all about.

Perhaps you should read this article…nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html?_r=0

 

[GaryTaylor]

? The Republicans are abandoning him.

I don’t even like the guy but at least I tried to get behind him. The GOP really is dysfunctional.

The RNC chair is traveling with him and the anything but Trump aspect is out of wind. But its also as Paul Ryan has said, Donald Trump doesn’t have a blank check with us. “Some” cooperation is required and especially in the realm of Christianity. Which is exactly what Paul stated about following your conscience.

But as far as the Mitt Romney crew and so forth I find their points lacking at the moment.

Arroyo hears other voices in Washington, who point out Trump’s past support for abortion. He said he points out to them that 2012 nominee Mitt Romney was “militantly pro-choice” before running for president and that conservative icon Ronald Reagan supported legislation legalizing abortion in California when he was governor.

“So if those people can convert publicly, or at least in the public policy arena, why is it difficult to accept the conversion of Trump?” he asked. “If he says, 'I’m going to appoint Supreme Court justices that will be pro-life, and that’s my litmus test, you either have to accept it or maybe support Hillary Clinton. When they say he’s not pro-life, I would say pro-life in terms of who or what? Is Hillary more pro-life?”

newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/raymond-arroyo-cathlics-evangelicals-support/2016/05/24/id/730527/

 

[Crossbones]

? The Republicans are abandoning him.

I don’t even like the guy but at least I tried to get behind him. The GOP really is dysfunctional.

Well, yeah, they really are. But this isn’t new.

 

[GaryTaylor]

The FBI has not said it’s a criminal investigation, but they are definitely investigating the Clinton Foundation, which is where a lot of the “pay to play” money goes. Imaginably the Clintons have been clever enough to put enough insulation between them and the bribes, but it’s hard to believe they did. Somebody nearly always rats out them out.

We’ll see. But it’s not over until it’s over.

Another POV…

americanpatriotdaily.com/latest/donald-trump-just-dropped-this-bombshell-about-barack-obama/

 

[Ridgerunner]

Perhaps you should read this article…nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html?_r=0

Read it. 100% hearsay, of course, by a liberal newspaper. No evidence. No real detail.

But there are some interesting items to note that probably are the truth, one of them being that the federal bankruptcy court approved the plans, including large salaries for Trump himself. Another, of course, being that gambling in Atlantic City cratered as a whole. Another being that the losers were fundamentally stockholders (of which Trump was one) and bondholders. In other words, the “big boys”.

In high stakes games with major players, some win and some don’t. But it takes a lot of skill and daring to even survive among those sorts of people. Trump came out on top despite the fact that he was swimming in a pool full of sharks.

Better, it seems to me, than giving away $50 million of taxpayer dollars to a bogus school like Laureate in exchange for a $16 million bribe to Bill Clinton.

 

[TobyLue]

Posted by Sy Noe

We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage… it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time."

Why did you omit the part in the middle. “The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church.

What the Pope may say in the spur of the moment cannot be considered official Catholic Teaching. I personally do not like the Dallas Cowboys, If the pope were to say that he likes the Cowboys would that mean that I as a loyal Catholic would have to follow him and like them? Of course not. The teachings of the CC are clear in the issue of abortion, gay marriages and such.
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BTW you seem to question my profile “Loyal to the Pope”. I could say that your profile “non practicing Roman Catholic with a mainline Christian Faith” is an oxymoron. Why not just say you are a CINO? And I’m not even going to start regarding a “…mainline Christian Faith.”

This will be my last post on this thread,

God Bless You and I will pray for your return to the Church that Jesus founded.

 

[Crossbones]

Read it. 100% hearsay, of course, by a liberal newspaper. No evidence. No real detail.

But there are some interesting items to note that probably are the truth, one of them being that the federal bankruptcy court approved the plans, including large salaries for Trump himself. Another, of course, being that gambling in Atlantic City cratered as a whole. Another being that the losers were fundamentally stockholders (of which Trump was one) and bondholders. In other words, the “big boys”.

In high stakes games with major players, some win and some don’t. But it takes a lot of skill and daring to even survive among those sorts of people. Trump came out on top despite the fact that he was swimming in a pool full of sharks.

Better, it seems to me, than giving away $50 million of taxpayer dollars to a bogus school like Laureate in exchange for a $16 million bribe to Bill Clinton.

Well, I’m not surprised that you feel that way.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Why did you omit the part in the middle. “The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church.

God Bless You and I will pray for your return to the Church that Jesus founded.

There has always only been one.

President Obama is our elected President, and we should give him all the honor and respect due to his office. We should also pray for him, especially for a change of mind and heart on his part, away from abortion to protection of unborn human life.

““But I recall something that Pope John Paul II said. He said that all other human rights are false and illusory if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right, is not defended with maximum determination. You know, we also hear a lot about the Second Vatican Council. The Second Vatican Council said that life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception, and said abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.

“So to kind of relativize or say, well, you know, the right to life of an unborn child is a preoccupation with fetuses, or it’s relative in its importance, I can’t agree with that. And I don’t think that represents the Church’s teaching and the focus of our energies in trying to deal with this great moral issue.”

ncregister.com/daily-news/bishop-leonard-blair-takes-on-the-lcwr

This Gospel continues with a situation of a particular kind. The same Peter who professed Jesus Christ, now says to him: You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. I will follow you, but let us not speak of the Cross. That has nothing to do with it. I will follow you on other terms, but without the Cross. When we journey without the Cross, when we build without the Cross, when we profess Christ without the Cross, we are not disciples of the Lord, we are worldly: we may be bishops, priests, cardinals, popes, but not disciples of the Lord.

My wish is that all of us, after these days of grace, will have the courage, yes, the courage, to walk in the presence of the Lord, with the Lord’s Cross; to build the Church on the Lord’s blood which was poured out on the Cross; and to profess the one glory: Christ crucified. And in this way, the Church will go forward.

My prayer for all of us is that the Holy Spirit, through the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, our Mother, will grant us this grace: to walk, to build, to profess Jesus Christ crucified. Amen.

w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/homilies/2013/documents/papa-francesco_20130314_omelia-cardinali.html

One may be a Democrat Catholic and attend mass weekly too but they may miss the message and have a disconnect between Church and politics. Thats what I see and I live in Bishop Blairs area-Blue state. Never has he not been clear but you have to place Church before world and be called to deeper contemplation which somehow seems neglected with democratic politics and the world.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Limbaugh: Trump supporters ‘getting nervous’
washingtonexaminer.com/limbaugh-trump-supporters-getting-nervous/article/2594141

 

[Ridgerunner]

Well, I’m not surprised that you feel that way.

Good.

I’m not one of the big players in the business world, but I know some people who are. That’s a world all its own, and the people who are in it know what they’re getting into and feel themselves sharp and strong enough to be in it. I don’t think any differently about them than I do about professional football players. I don’t mind pro football players getting onto the field with each other even though I wouldn’t do it myself. Maybe Trump bought something foolishly and maybe he sold to people who should have known better. But it was voluntary on all sides, and the people involved owned their own assets and money. Nothing forces me to get into that kind of game, and I don’t.

Stealing from the public is another thing entirely. That, I do mind, and I mind it a lot because Hillary Clinton is selling what does not belong to her. I cannot “opt out” of that game.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Trump outperforming Romney 2012 in swing states, despite bad national polls
Read more at redalertpolitics.com/2016/06/17/trump-outperforming-romney-2012-swing-states-despite-bad-national-polls/#YDK4VITK1Xg2E4JA.99

 

[esieffe]

Trump or Clinton?

 

[_Abyssinia]

Trump outperforming Romney 2012 in swing states, despite bad national polls
Read more at redalertpolitics.com/2016/06/17/trump-outperforming-romney-2012-swing-states-despite-bad-national-polls/#r4sv5efLbhtzEshd.99

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[Crossbones]

Trump outperforming Romney 2012 in swing states, despite bad national polls
Read more at redalertpolitics.com/2016/06/17/trump-outperforming-romney-2012-swing-states-despite-bad-national-polls/#r4sv5efLbhtzEshd.99

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There isn’t a lot of overlap between the swing state polls who were done most recently by PPP and national polls (done by everyone else, it would seem). Now, if PPP had put out the swing state polls as close but showed Clinton winning by 6 nationally like everyone else, than I would think there might be something there, but we don’t have that data. Plus a lot of the state polls are really quite old.

The national polls are probably a more realistic picture of where we are at in this moment.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Trump outperforming Romney 2012 in swing states, despite bad national polls
Read more at redalertpolitics.com/2016/06/17/trump-outperforming-romney-2012-swing-states-despite-bad-national-polls/#r4sv5efLbhtzEshd.99

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I do still believe Trump is a better candidate than Romney. But the same GOP leadership that basically created the vacuum which Trump filled is still as dysfunctional as ever. They could not figure out how to win an election to save their lives, and I include Ryan, Romney, NR, the Bushes, the GOP press establishment, on and on. They see weakness in Trump and are on the attack - no problem if the whole country goes down too. (they are now actually doing to Trump and their own party and the GOP voters what they have been doing to the country and Obama for 8 years) The only one screaming “you’re fired” now is the GOP establishment to the GOP voter and the future of the country.

Good news is this will pass. What comes next God knows. But I always thought we would have a jittery spell; let’s just let it play out. Better now than later.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I do still believe Trump is a better candidate than Romney. But the same GOP leadership that basically created the vacuum which Trump filled is still as dysfunctional as ever. They could not figure out how to win an election to save their lives, and I include Ryan, Romney, NR, the Bushes, the GOP press establishment, on and on. They see weakness in Trump and are on the attack - no problem if the whole country goes down too. (they are now actually doing to Trump and their own party and the GOP voters what they have been doing to the country and Obama for 8 years) The only one screaming “you’re fired” now is the GOP establishment to the GOP voter and the future of the country.

Good news is this will pass. What comes next God knows. But I always thought we would have a jittery spell; let’s just let it play out. Better now than later.

When I left the Dem party I never did become a Repub. I’m just a political orphan or something. But I’m now glad I never did become a Repub because if I did, my present state of irritation with the party would be more like anger.

What they’re apparently not taking into proper consideration is that their food fight with Trump threatens us peasants. Hillary Clinton will appoint a nearly all-abortionist Supreme Court that has no regard whatever for the constitution. She’ll sell us out for money in more serious ways than she has so far. For goodness sake, Obama has sold our interests out to Iran for free. How much worse could it get with Hillary doing it for money? One thing the Mullahs are not is stupid. They probably have every email she ever sent or got from Blumenthal. They probably have every email about State Dept favors in exchange for “speaking fees” to Bill. It’s horrible to imagine what the bad actors have.

But worst of all, they know she can be bought.

National Review and Romney and all those people ought to argue the fine points of “true conservatism” among themselves over a single malt scotch or something. Yes, they’ll have plenty to write about if Clinton is elected, but we’ll all have to live with it.

 

[FollowChrist34]

When I left the Dem party I never did become a Repub. I’m just a political orphan or something. But I’m now glad I never did become a Repub because if I did, my present state of irritation with the party would be more like anger.

What they’re apparently not taking into proper consideration is that their food fight with Trump threatens us peasants. Hillary Clinton will appoint a nearly all-abortionist Supreme Court that has no regard whatever for the constitution. She’ll sell us out for money in more serious ways than she has so far. For goodness sake, Obama has sold our interests out to Iran for free. How much worse could it get with Hillary doing it for money? One thing the Mullahs are not is stupid. They probably have every email she ever sent or got from Blumenthal. They probably have every email about State Dept favors in exchange for “speaking fees” to Bill. It’s horrible to imagine what the bad actors have.

But worst of all, they know she can be bought.

National Review and Romney and all those people ought to argue the fine points of “true conservatism” among themselves over a single malt scotch or something. Yes, they’ll have plenty to write about if Clinton is elected, but we’ll all have to live with it.

I totally agree. I am not really a Democrat or a Republican either. But I am shocked at how deep this anti-Trump thing runs - the fact that so much of the GOP establishment would rather see Clinton in the White House than hold their nose and support Trump. Do they really have as little in common with Trump as they do with Clinton? Do they share enough values with Clinton and where she will take the country to essentially help her get there? I was very anti-Trump too, but as soon as I saw that was a dead-end, I got over it. (I do actually respect the people’s vote) It scares me how short-sighted and vindictive the establishment is being. They are just getting in line with the Democrats against Trump because they are cowards, lack vision (political correctness over helping the country) - they have no meaningful plan for leading the country, no alternative to Trump or the Democrats. Just destroy mode, full stop. And they are calling it " conservative principles" - that is the best part.