Donald Trump Presidential Campaign Thread

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Darryl1958 said:
nationalreview.com/article/436829/donald-trump-supporters-policy

VDH’s commentary really struck a chord with me.
If Trump is to be described as a racist for not expecting to get a fair trial from a Mexican, then Justice Sotomayor needs to be recognized as one too for proclaiming that you are going to get a different kind of justice from a ‘wise Latina’
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When people like Obama have to apologize for appointing white judges, then Trump is really no different than any Democrat who likewise thinks that being judged by someone of a certain race brings a different kind of justice to the table.

This has been the Democratic line for decades now, on race, on sex, on everything.

America is no longer a nation of laws, but a nation of men (or women, or non-descript gender types as the case may be).

The message has been received that what matters is your identity, and that different races will bring different kinds of justice to the table. Trump has taken that message to heart.

Still, Republicans will do well to oppose this kind of thing on principle, while all the while recognizing that this is no different that the mainstream message accepted unthinkingly by Democrats and Republicans alike, until it happened to be Trump that utters this kind of line.
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I agree as I was saying a week or so ago its a Democrat play borrowed by Trump in reverse identity politics. I get his point and its the same trife and petty thinking we see with Obama and his white justice comment, “but” he’s white? :rolleyes: Its bias and prejudice bordering suggested racism and walks the fence of divisive language by intention. Its the basic freedom for me but not for thee we see with the left as with the college protests and rioting and do as I say not as I do theory. Basic ignorance that won’t live here. Its terrible to watch with Trump as I would think most of us feel the same with Obama and have right along. Probably a well needed conversation that we probably can expect to be on-going. The same issue imho has been on-going with affirmative action and is indicative of the problem.
It is known that in the past many people were killed due to racism. People believed that some races are inferior and their action was to destroy those races, use them as slaves and other negative actions. AA says some races should get additional help. Thus people promoting AA still think those races are inferior, and thus they are racist. Though the reaction is positive, in the sense they decided to help those people, instead of killing them or using them as slaves.
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Thinking that some people, as a group, are inferior is the major problem here and should be avoided.
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debate.org/opinions/is-affirmative-action-racism

In my mind while the path above may have been considered a proper path in the past tome its racist and the same thinking exists now and has outlived its usefulness.
 
lynnvinc said:
RE that Trump is getting any votes at all from non-white, it is a matter of him being a charismatic leader…like Hilter. People get wooed and bamboozled, mesmerized by him.
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Some would say the same about HRC.
 
_Abyssinia said:
I’ve just looked at some articles and Trump could win without Florida but obviously it depends what other states that he would win in the calculation that he could get to 270 or over. But there is a pathway or pathways without states that are likely inconceivable for Trump like California or Washington D.C. say…
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Trump (or was it someone in his campaign?) said he could win NY in Nov.
 
Thorolfr said:
And Donald Trump said, “Ask yourself, who is really the friend of women and the LGBT community." He’s no friend of the LGBT community if he’s meeting with the likes of James Dobson from Focus on the Family and Tony Perkins from the Family Research Council.

:rolleyes:
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That’s the problem you have with Trump, that he would meet with James Dobson and Tony Perkins? Seriously?
 
This is the point Hillary addressed yesterday, in fact she elaborated briefly on approx 20 -points in relation.

politicalwire.com/2016/06/02/trump-leads-by-double-digits-on-the-economy/
A new Gallup survey finds a majority think that Donald Trump as better able to handle the economy than Hillary Clinton, 53% to 43%.
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Trump also leads on being best able to handle terrorism and national security, 50% to 46%.
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She avoided speaking on her own policy so Trump today If he has any sense which most of us doubt would address the 20 points? Course he may come out and say anything, thats the problem 😊
 
newsmax.com/US/crime-violent-homicide-cities/2015/06/04/id/648724/
Major cities across the United States are seeing their crime rates skyrocket, sparking alarm about the causes, particularly given that there had been a two-decade drop in crime.
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Why?..

wsj.com/articles/the-new-nationwide-crime-wave-1432938425
The black death-by-homicide rate is six times higher than that of whites and Hispanics combined. The killers of those black homicide victims are overwhelmingly other black civilians, not the police. The police could end all use of lethal force tomorrow and it would have at most a negligible impact on the black death rate. In any case, the strongest predictor of whether a police officer uses force is whether a suspect resists arrest, not the suspect’s race.
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Contrary to the claims of the “black lives matter” movement, no government policy in the past quarter century has done more for urban reclamation than proactive policing. Data-driven enforcement, in conjunction with stricter penalties for criminals and “broken windows” policing, has saved thousands of black lives, brought lawful commerce and jobs to once drug-infested neighborhoods and allowed millions to go about their daily lives without fear.
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To be sure, police officers need to treat everyone they encounter with courtesy and respect. Any fatal police shooting of an innocent person is a horrifying tragedy that police training must work incessantly to prevent. But unless the demonization of law enforcement ends, the liberating gains in urban safety over the past 20 years will be lost.
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amazon.com/Are-Cops-Racist-Heather-MacDonald/dp/1566638674

We don’t have systemic racism sorry to inform you, we have promoted violence via the bad policy of Holder and Obama.
 
chero23 said:
If he loses Florida, other big states will go for HRC. States like Arizona, Nevada and Colorado, states with high hispanic population. Iowa, Wisconsin and possibly New Hampshire will go to her.

That would mean, he had to win Ohio, Pennsylvania, NH, NC, Virginia. If that happens I dont think he wins.

With that scenario; HRC 307, Trump 231

He has to win Florida, keep Arizona, with that the numbers would go in his favor
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Chero, you forget one important thing. He actually thinks he can win CA and NY. 😃
 
_Abyssinia said:
Why do you think if he loses Florida, other states will go to Clinton? I don’t see why that would necessary happen. I suspect Governor Rick Scott will be campaigning for Trump in Florida, he has endorsed Trump.
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You’re talking about this Rick Scott? The one who barely won each of his elections by just 1% in non Presidential election yrs. IOW in midterm elections when the electorate and turnout is different compared to a Presidential yr general election. Each time with less than 50% of the vote. And whose approval stood at just 38% not long ago. That Rick Scott is going to produce a FL win for Donald Trump? :rotfl:
 
Sy_Noe said:
You’re talking about this Rick Scott? The one who barely won each of his elections by just 1% in non Presidential election yrs. IOW in midterm elections when the electorate and turnout is different compared to a Presidential yr general election. Each time with less than 50% of the vote. And whose approval stood at just 38% not long ago. That Rick Scott is going to produce a FL win for Donald Trump? :rotfl:
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I did not said he was going to bring a win for Trump. Whatever percentage Rick Scott won by, he has won twice.

Scott, having endorsed Trump, may be beneficial in whatever way to the Trump campaign in Florida and that may help in the end.
 
GaryTaylor said:
What other groups are you referring to? The ruling with Hobby Lobby and the implications of RFRA and distinction? Here, I think these will help.

ncronline.org/blogs/faith-and-justice/hobby-lobby-wins-bishops-lose-supreme-court-ruling

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burwell_v._Hobby_Lobby_Stores,_Inc.
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From the first article,

"Churches and dioceses are completely exempt from the contraceptive mandate. Some other religious nonprofits were given a special accommodation whereby if they objected to contraceptives, they would not have to pay for them in their insurance, but their insurance companies would have to provide them anyway.

The bishops felt the accommodation was inadequate. First, they felt the insurance companies would find some way to pass on the cost of the contraceptives to the nonprofits. Second, they felt that participating in the process, even by just filling out a form saying they objected to the mandate, would violate their consciences."

so, it suggests that Churches and dioceses do not have to fill out a form. On the other hand, other organizations would have to fill out a form. That said, it is really unclear to me that how filling out the form is immoral.
 
GaryTaylor said:
This is the point Hillary addressed yesterday, in fact she elaborated briefly on approx 20 -points in relation.

politicalwire.com/2016/06/02/trump-leads-by-double-digits-on-the-economy/

She avoided speaking on her own policy so Trump today If he has any sense which most of us doubt would address the 20 points? Course he may come out and say anything, thats the problem 😊
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He is speaking as I write and he sounds so sensible it is scary. Manafort must have shaken some sense into him. Will wonders never cease.
 
Crossbones said:
From the first article,

"Churches and dioceses are completely exempt from the contraceptive mandate. Some other religious nonprofits were given a special accommodation whereby if they objected to contraceptives, they would not have to pay for them in their insurance, but their insurance companies would have to provide them anyway.

The bishops felt the accommodation was inadequate. First, they felt the insurance companies would find some way to pass on the cost of the contraceptives to the nonprofits. Second, they felt that participating in the process, even by just filling out a form saying they objected to the mandate, would violate their consciences."

so, it suggests that Churches and dioceses do not have to fill out a form. On the other hand, other organizations would have to fill out a form. That said, it is really unclear to me that how filling out the form is immoral.
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The Hobby Lobby ruling is in relation of for-profit as opposed to non profit. The for profit ruling omitted Hobby Lobby from the EBSA Form 700 which is a form that the Government had required that certain non-profit organizations complete and submit, beginning January 1, 2014, in order to claim an exemption from the contraceptive mandate. This was further modified as I’ll show you, however my issue isn’t in the Bishops thinking but the actual Hobby Lobby thinking of the court. The dissent came over the determination of “person” in the case of for profit and non profit.

ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/supreme-court-accommodation-yes-form-700-no

That said I think the Bishops are right and the intent be it intentional as I have to believe it is will…
If the goal of the bishops is to put as much distance as possible between religious nonprofits and contraceptives, then the answer is yes.
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Which protects the tax relief and separation of church and state.
 
mary_bobo said:
He is speaking as I write and he sounds so sensible it is scary. Manafort must have shaken some sense into him. Will wonders never cease.
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I heard a comment today that I think sums this campaign up. On her best day Hillary is a mediocre candidate. on his best day Trump is a stelllar candidate. the problems he has been having are all self inflicted. Note that his drop in the polls was not due to an increase in support for Hillary-it was due to drops in his numbers.
 
estesbob said:
I heard a comment today that I think sums this campaign up. On her best day Hillary is a mediocre candidate. on his best day Trump is a stelllar candidate. the problems he has been having are all self inflicted. Note that his drop in the polls was not due to an increase in support for Hillary-it was due to drops in his numbers.
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That’s a good way to describe her - mediocre at best.
 
From today’s Guardian:
Judging by the headlines, Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is in meltdown. He sacked his campaign manager, raised a historically low amount of cash, and is tanking in opinion polls in key swing states.
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That’s just the start of it.
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Behind the scenes, in the largely invisible world of digital organizing on which modern presidential campaigns increasingly depend, Trump is not merely lagging behind – he’s not on the map.
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Technology is a key battleground in any election, and increasingly so. Trump may rule Twitter, yet there is no evidence that the real estate billionaire is doing anything to build the more prosaic but essential digital fundraising and volunteering network that in no small part propelled Barack Obama to victory in both of his runs for the White House.
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theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/22/donald-trump-cash-digital-strategy-twitter-hillary-clinton

The Trump campaign is starting to look like a train wreck in slow motion. This should be quite a spectacle.
 
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