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camerong
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For the those unfamiliar with Catholicism’s true view on homosexuality, be aware that this poster does not reflect that view. Please see the Catechism:
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michaeldaniels
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From the Vatican:
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
According to this…“under no circumstances can they be approved”…homosexual acts that is…and if you believe God created us in His own image, then it is impossible for him to create people homosexual…unless you believed God is Gay…and I don’t mean Gay in the classical sense:
2331 "God is love and in himself he lives a mystery of personal loving communion. Creating the human race in his own image . . … God inscribed in the humanity of man and woman the vocation, and thus the capacity and responsibility, of love and communion."114
“God created man in his own image . . . male and female he created them”;115 He blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and multiply”;116 "When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created."117
2333 Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity. Physical, moral, and spiritual difference and complementarity are oriented toward the goods of marriage and the flourishing of family life.
2335 Each of the two sexes is an image of the power and tenderness of God, with equal dignity though in a different way. **The union of man and woman in marriage is a way of imitating in the flesh the Creator’s generosity and fecundity: **"Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh."120 All human generations proceed from this union.121
2336 Jesus came to restore creation to the purity of its origins. In the Sermon on the Mount, he interprets God’s plan strictly: "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."122 What God has joined together, let not man put asunder.123
**The tradition of the Church has understood the sixth commandment as encompassing the whole of human sexuality. **
2337 Chastity means the successful integration of sexuality within the person and thus the inner unity of man in his bodily and spiritual being. **Sexuality, in which man’s belonging to the bodily and biological world is expressed, becomes personal and truly human when it is integrated into the relationship of one person to another, in the complete and lifelong mutual gift of a man and a woman. **
2338 The chaste person maintains the integrity of the powers of life and love placed in him. This integrity ensures the unity of the person; it is opposed to any behavior that would impair it. It tolerates neither a double life nor duplicity in speech.124
2339 Chastity includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery which is a training in human freedom. The alternative is clear: either man governs his passions and finds peace, or he lets himself be dominated by them and becomes unhappy.125 "Man’s dignity therefore requires him to act out of conscious and free choice, as moved and drawn in a personal way from within, and not by blind impulses in himself or by mere external constraint. Man gains such dignity when, **ridding himself of all slavery to the passions, he presses forward to his goal by freely choosing what is good and, by his diligence and skill, effectively secures for himself the means suited to this end."126 **
2341 The virtue of chastity comes under the cardinal virtue of temperance, which seeks to permeate the passions and appetites of the senses with reason.
2342 Self-mastery is a long and exacting work. One can never consider it acquired once and for all. It presupposes renewed effort at all stages of life.128 The effort required can be more intense in certain periods, such as when the personality is being formed during childhood and adolescence.
2343 Chastity has laws of growth which progress through stages marked by imperfection and too often by sin. “Man . . . day by day builds himself up through his many free decisions; and so he knows, loves, and accomplishes moral good by stages of growth.”
**Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. **
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
According to this…“under no circumstances can they be approved”…homosexual acts that is…and if you believe God created us in His own image, then it is impossible for him to create people homosexual…unless you believed God is Gay…and I don’t mean Gay in the classical sense:
2331 "God is love and in himself he lives a mystery of personal loving communion. Creating the human race in his own image . . … God inscribed in the humanity of man and woman the vocation, and thus the capacity and responsibility, of love and communion."114
“God created man in his own image . . . male and female he created them”;115 He blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and multiply”;116 "When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created."117
2333 Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity. Physical, moral, and spiritual difference and complementarity are oriented toward the goods of marriage and the flourishing of family life.
2335 Each of the two sexes is an image of the power and tenderness of God, with equal dignity though in a different way. **The union of man and woman in marriage is a way of imitating in the flesh the Creator’s generosity and fecundity: **"Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh."120 All human generations proceed from this union.121
2336 Jesus came to restore creation to the purity of its origins. In the Sermon on the Mount, he interprets God’s plan strictly: "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."122 What God has joined together, let not man put asunder.123
**The tradition of the Church has understood the sixth commandment as encompassing the whole of human sexuality. **
2337 Chastity means the successful integration of sexuality within the person and thus the inner unity of man in his bodily and spiritual being. **Sexuality, in which man’s belonging to the bodily and biological world is expressed, becomes personal and truly human when it is integrated into the relationship of one person to another, in the complete and lifelong mutual gift of a man and a woman. **
2338 The chaste person maintains the integrity of the powers of life and love placed in him. This integrity ensures the unity of the person; it is opposed to any behavior that would impair it. It tolerates neither a double life nor duplicity in speech.124
2339 Chastity includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery which is a training in human freedom. The alternative is clear: either man governs his passions and finds peace, or he lets himself be dominated by them and becomes unhappy.125 "Man’s dignity therefore requires him to act out of conscious and free choice, as moved and drawn in a personal way from within, and not by blind impulses in himself or by mere external constraint. Man gains such dignity when, **ridding himself of all slavery to the passions, he presses forward to his goal by freely choosing what is good and, by his diligence and skill, effectively secures for himself the means suited to this end."126 **
2341 The virtue of chastity comes under the cardinal virtue of temperance, which seeks to permeate the passions and appetites of the senses with reason.
2342 Self-mastery is a long and exacting work. One can never consider it acquired once and for all. It presupposes renewed effort at all stages of life.128 The effort required can be more intense in certain periods, such as when the personality is being formed during childhood and adolescence.
2343 Chastity has laws of growth which progress through stages marked by imperfection and too often by sin. “Man . . . day by day builds himself up through his many free decisions; and so he knows, loves, and accomplishes moral good by stages of growth.”
**Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. **
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baylee
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What is your point in posting all of this? You said that homosexuals choose to be homosexual. That is not what Church teaching says and camerong was correct in highlighting that portion of the CCC that says this. They may choose the act, but they do not choose their same-sex attraction.
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camerong
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Its an important distinction. If homosexuals chose to homosexual, then we would be justified in discriminating against them. The Church, however, has conclusively declared that (at least some or most) homosexuals DO NOT chose to be homosexual. Therefore, it is unjust to discriminate against them, as the Catechism I quoted notes.
(None of this, of course, excuses homosexuals to engage in homosexual activity–just as heterosexuals feel naturally drawn to sex outside of marriage but must resist those urges, so must homosexuals resist their urges.)
(None of this, of course, excuses homosexuals to engage in homosexual activity–just as heterosexuals feel naturally drawn to sex outside of marriage but must resist those urges, so must homosexuals resist their urges.)
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Rence
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You know, this is a very good point. I was raised in a well integrated community, and so gays are just like everyone else to me. And in my job, I would work with (and have worked with) and hire gay people. No problems there. But Michael makes a good point: what do you do in the shower room? We do not have co-ed showers in the military. Where do you have the gay men shower? With the women, or the men? Should a woman be forced to be unclothed before a gay man? Should the men be forced to be unclothed in the presence of a gay man? Does it matter? I say, “absolutely”. Would the military create a separate section for gay or lesbian officers? I would think they should?
But then again, if you don’t ask, don’t tell, and keep it to yourself and are chaste…no one will know anyway
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nlm
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What about the married couples who choose to engage in sexual activities from which procreation is absolutely impossible? Is there sin in such sexual acts ? God Bless NLM
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camerong
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Have private showers. Its cost would clearly be offset by the lightened recruiting burden. Besides, as I stated, I never showered in front of other soldiers, even in Basic, so at least some bases already have private showers.You know, this is a very good point. I was raised in a well integrated community, and so gays are just like everyone else to me. And in my job, I would work with (and have worked with) and hire gay people. No problems there. But Michael makes a good point: what do you do in the shower room? We do not have co-ed showers in the military. Where do you have the gay men shower? With the women, or the men? Should a woman be forced to be unclothed before a gay man? Should the men be forced to be unclothed in the presence of a gay man? Does it matter? I say, “absolutely”. Would the military create a separate section for gay or lesbian officers? I would think they should?
But then again, if you don’t ask, don’t tell, and keep it to yourself and are chaste…no one will know anyway
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Jermosh
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Camerong, where did you find this Catechism source at?
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michaeldaniels
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Romans 1:21-32
21 Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. 23 And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. 27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. 28 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, 30 Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. 32 Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.
Isaias 3:9 – “The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.”
21 Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. 23 And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. 27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. 28 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, 30 Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. 32 Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.
Isaias 3:9 – “The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.”
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michaeldaniels
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Jude 1:7 -“As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the neighboring cities, in like manner, having given themselves to fornication, and going after strange flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.”
Leviticus 18:22, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
Leviticus 20:13, “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
Deuteronomy 23:17, “There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.”
1 Kings 14:24, “And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.”
1 Kings 15:11-12, “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”
Leviticus 18:22, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
Leviticus 20:13, “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
Deuteronomy 23:17, “There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.”
1 Kings 14:24, “And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.”
1 Kings 15:11-12, “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”
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camerong
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Its been discussed a number of times on this thread and in articles about Catholic views on homosexuality. I googled it to find it for the purposes of this thread. Or do you mean where in the Catechism are these found? The paragraph numbers are next to the text. Let me know if that doesn’t answer your question!
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camerong
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Very odd indeed for a “Traditional Roman Catholic” to try to refute the Catechism of the Catholic Church with Bible quotes… the Church’s doctrines teaches us how to view scripture, not the other way around.
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michaeldaniels
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Last time I checked scripture was infallible…also, last time I checked…the Church’s view on homosexuality was not…very good answer though, well expected from person that doesn’t have a valid point…valiant effort though
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camerong
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By the way, let me say that I can see how my post could be taken as an attack, which I did not intend, and I apologize for my lose language. I only meant to say that you are no dissident Catholic like those we often encounter on this forum.
Its not clear that the church teaching on homosexuality is not infallible. The church is infallible in teachings on morality, and it seems to me whether homosexuality is a choice is a fundamental issue of morality. If it is a choice, it is clearly a sin; if it is not a choice, it is not a sin. This is a moral teaching, and as such is infallible.
If, however, it is not an infallible teaching, it still seems to me that even a *fallible *teaching from the Pope should be followed rather than our own interpretation of scripture. Obviously the Pope did not view those scriptures in the same way as you do, and between my own interpretation of scripture or the Pope’s, I would take the Popes.
Further, a fundamental teaching of the Church is that we are not to use scripture alone to answer all our questions.
Finally, there was no concept of someone as having a permanent, deep-seated attraction to members of the same sex in the time of the Bible–even people claiming these kinds of attractions is a relatively recent phenomenon. Therefore, observations about sins committed in the first century–let alone those committed hundreds of years before Christ–do not clearly apply to today’s circumstances.
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I’ll address this issue from personal experience. A lot of personal experience. I served 26 1/2 years in the USAF, and commanded two squadrons; one was over 300 people and the other more than 700. I’ve had to discipline people, discharge people, court-martial people, have sat on a court-martial board, and had some amount of training on this topic. I never had to discharge anyone for homosexual conduct, btw.
Some on this thread have said, if homosexual conduct is outlawed by the military, what about fornication and adultery. Well, guess what? Adultery, when prejudicial to the good order and discipline of the service, is addressed as unacceptable conduct in Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Miltary Justice. I prepared a case against a married female lieutenant sleeping with a married male sergeant, and both exited the military rather than face the charges. Their behavior was disrupting the unit.
Some on this thread have said that gays would be hounded and beat up. If so, the commander and NCOs have dismally failed in leadership. Any commander or NCO that allows an environment and attitude like that to develop in their unit should not be in charge of peoples’ lives.
Someone suggested that we give everyone a private shower. And how much extra income tax are you willing to pay? While this might be an expensive dream in a garrison location, it’s a simple impossibilty in the field, in combat, deployed (ever hear of a sand shower?). Troops in the field have little enough privacy as it is. Where before we might do a mass shower, separating males and females, now we have to separate people into male heteros, female heteros, male bisexuals, female transgenders, male homosexuals, etc etc.?
Someone suggested that allowing open homosexuals to serve would ease recruiting. On the contrary, many people will exit the military as soon as they can. I would have. This would create an incredible recruiting shortfall, IMO.
Serving in the military is not a right. It is a priviledge and carries an immense responsibility. The mission of the military is to execute our national security strategy, which often means fighting and winning wars, and every decision must be taken with that in mind. We also restrict short people, fat people, disabled people, old people, and tall people from serving. Women cannot serve in some duties. Civilians cannot generally serve in combat. Non-citizens cannot serve in sensitive duties or as officers.
Homosexual behavior is recognized by our society at large as wrong. The miltary reflects the society and most in the military are very uncomfortable with and even hostile to open homosexual behavior. Most military people I knew didn’t care much about someone’s sexual orientation unless it got loud and in their face. Why do we need to give troops in combat one more thing to worry about?
Also, if the military is forced to accept open homosexuals, what about open homosexual unions? This means dependent care arrangements, base housing for gay couples, medical benefits, survivor benfits, retirement benefits, etc. We’ll get the federal government in the business of validating gay “marriage.”
The “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy was actually a pretty good compromise, and is remarkably similar to Church teachings. Enlistees are not asked about sexual orientation, and neither are current service members. Homosexual service members may serve, as long as they keep their orientation to themselves and their behavior is not prejudicial to good order and discipline. People keep their privacy, and as long as their behavior doesn’t affect unit morale or discipline, nobody cares. This is similar to how the military treats adultery.
Some on this thread have said, if homosexual conduct is outlawed by the military, what about fornication and adultery. Well, guess what? Adultery, when prejudicial to the good order and discipline of the service, is addressed as unacceptable conduct in Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Miltary Justice. I prepared a case against a married female lieutenant sleeping with a married male sergeant, and both exited the military rather than face the charges. Their behavior was disrupting the unit.
Some on this thread have said that gays would be hounded and beat up. If so, the commander and NCOs have dismally failed in leadership. Any commander or NCO that allows an environment and attitude like that to develop in their unit should not be in charge of peoples’ lives.
Someone suggested that we give everyone a private shower. And how much extra income tax are you willing to pay? While this might be an expensive dream in a garrison location, it’s a simple impossibilty in the field, in combat, deployed (ever hear of a sand shower?). Troops in the field have little enough privacy as it is. Where before we might do a mass shower, separating males and females, now we have to separate people into male heteros, female heteros, male bisexuals, female transgenders, male homosexuals, etc etc.?
Someone suggested that allowing open homosexuals to serve would ease recruiting. On the contrary, many people will exit the military as soon as they can. I would have. This would create an incredible recruiting shortfall, IMO.
Serving in the military is not a right. It is a priviledge and carries an immense responsibility. The mission of the military is to execute our national security strategy, which often means fighting and winning wars, and every decision must be taken with that in mind. We also restrict short people, fat people, disabled people, old people, and tall people from serving. Women cannot serve in some duties. Civilians cannot generally serve in combat. Non-citizens cannot serve in sensitive duties or as officers.
Homosexual behavior is recognized by our society at large as wrong. The miltary reflects the society and most in the military are very uncomfortable with and even hostile to open homosexual behavior. Most military people I knew didn’t care much about someone’s sexual orientation unless it got loud and in their face. Why do we need to give troops in combat one more thing to worry about?
Also, if the military is forced to accept open homosexuals, what about open homosexual unions? This means dependent care arrangements, base housing for gay couples, medical benefits, survivor benfits, retirement benefits, etc. We’ll get the federal government in the business of validating gay “marriage.”
The “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy was actually a pretty good compromise, and is remarkably similar to Church teachings. Enlistees are not asked about sexual orientation, and neither are current service members. Homosexual service members may serve, as long as they keep their orientation to themselves and their behavior is not prejudicial to good order and discipline. People keep their privacy, and as long as their behavior doesn’t affect unit morale or discipline, nobody cares. This is similar to how the military treats adultery.
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vera_dicere
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My brother’s friend was in the military and he loved it. But one of his senior officers was gay, and while not “officially” because of the don’t ask thing, he still was rather abusive and harrassing my bro’s friend. He ended up leaving the military because he became both a laughing stock amongst his rank - a rumour was spread he was gay, and because no one higher up the food chain would do anythign to stop the abuse. Its a little different in NZL though, I think.
I think the military has its own problems, with women in rank and the higher amount of rape et cetera, I don’t think allowing the homosexuals to be open about their homosexuality will assist in any kind of strenghtening the military.
Short of kicking women and gays out of the military, best just to keep the status quo.
I think the military has its own problems, with women in rank and the higher amount of rape et cetera, I don’t think allowing the homosexuals to be open about their homosexuality will assist in any kind of strenghtening the military.
Short of kicking women and gays out of the military, best just to keep the status quo.
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myway22883
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I am quoting this post because it is the most concise, though the above points have been included in many posts.
The sections of the CCC pertaining to homosexuality are 2357 to 2359.
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Firstly, what is homosexuality? (paraphrasing) ‘A sexual attraction towards persons of the same sex AND relations between those people.’
- Attraction alone does not qualify homosexuality, it must be coupled with relations (relations being either physical or non-physical)
" The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compasion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided…")
- This speaks only to those with the homosexual inclination. Which, when rightly mastered (as 2359 states), prevents fall into homosexual relations.
- So it is incorrect to quote this as the Catholic Church supporting open acceptance of homosexual activity (Camerong, Baylee, MarionD…).
“Homosexual persons are called to chastity…”
- Those who have fallen into homosexual conduct, are called to free themselves of their slavery to lust; just as “fornicators” and adulters are called
- God does not create any person to be homosexual. Yes, you may be born attracted to the same sex. So that attraction is part of your divine creation. As 2358 states, the purpose of this attraction is that it be endured as a trial (through trials we obtain humility, penance, and communion with Christ). The purpose of the attraction is not to enter into homo-sex.
- In overall context to DADT, you can see objectively that it is a more correct policy than open acceptance.
- DADT denies service to those who openly embrace immoral behavior (just as it denies service to adulterers and sex-offenders, also forms of immoral behavior).
- It permits service to those who have same-sex attractions, but don’t act on those impulses.
- Where it falls short (as compared to an outright ban) is that it condones service by those who embrace immoral behavior in private.
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MarianD
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Exactly. So there should be no gay hate among Catholics, even though it’s so strong among some of you.
I think it should be repealed, but that’s just me. At the very least, don’t kick someone out because they’ve been outed or they outed themselves.
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PAboy57
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in a military situation it makes the ranks uncomfortable and that lowers morale. they do not work as a team like they should – someone is very different and in many cases doesn’t fit in because of their nature. for those who display no properties at all they will get away with it for awhile but sooner or later they usually make a mistake – that is then a big impact on morale.
Same goes for those who commit other crimes, etc.
An army cannot function without teamwork. Then the army fails. Stakes are higher in the military environment and that is just reality.
Take care.
Same goes for those who commit other crimes, etc.
An army cannot function without teamwork. Then the army fails. Stakes are higher in the military environment and that is just reality.
Take care.
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